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 Vomikron Noxis wrote:

 rvd1ofakind wrote:
Well he will kill anything he touches. Also his flamer is amazing. Also casts 3 powers. Also really hard for him to die. I'd say he's preeeeetty good. The only thing preventing me for taking him more is because I want to take more different things

Glad to hear it! Been sitting on my shelf for years and he needs to get out... any changes you'd make to the list? I'm planning something very similar.

Plague Drones are overpriced still(they haven't got a price drop yet and they will when the dex comes out). So probably them into more plaguebearers or maybe summoning. Turn 1 drakes, turn 2 summoning, turn 3 the rest of the army.

EDIT: Wrong thread.

I'm mostly sad about losing obsec if I want to keep my Malefic lords. I guess I can use Heralds of Tzeentch instead but they're not nearly as cheap.

knas wrote:
I'm mostly sad about losing obsec if I want to keep my Malefic lords. I guess I can use Heralds of Tzeentch instead but they're not nearly as cheap.

As far as i understood it, taking a Supreme Command Detachment with 3-5 Lords, will not deny you ObSec. in general.
The Lords just cant achieve it, because they are not Troops and dont have the required <FACTION> keyword(s) for a Daemon detachment.
Any other troop, in any other detachment that has the same <FACTION> keyword(s) (in this detachment), will still be able to get ObSec..


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I also tested a combo play with a unit Oblits and Belakor.

I played another Tzeentch Daemon player.

- Death Hex on LoC, failed deny
- Prescience on Oblits (LoC was protected by changeling), no more deny possible
- Oblits +2/-3/2, 8 Hits, 8 Wounds LoC dead turn 1(was on full health)

Of course this all comes down to the failed deny of Death Hex and Prescience.
I made all other psykers first to sort out as many possible denies as possible.
Then Death Hex and Prescience, where i should have casted Death Hex as last power.

IMO Oblits (195pts.) are better than a 256pt. unit of Scarab Occult Terminators.
The buff from Assault2 ---> Assault4 makes them really strong.
Also the fact, that their weapons, with possible 9S/-3AP/3DMG have the assault weapon trait.
So no -1, cause if you look at the possible value it could easily be a heavy weapon.

knas wrote:
I'm mostly sad about losing obsec if I want to keep my Malefic lords. I guess I can use Heralds of Tzeentch instead but they're not nearly as cheap.

Well it's obsec, those command points or a malefic lord going in that slot. I think what most people are currently doing is just using cultists for their obsec needs. Perhaps when the daemons codex comes out there may be a more compelling choice.

This cutie is coming out for AoS. PLEASE give him 40k rules and give Nurgle a chariot

Not happy with the AoS Nurgle. It means Death Guard preorders are ANOTHER week away damn it...

Pfft silly humans can wait. Snaily the Snail is kickass

Only question is do I use that for my giant spawn over morbidex...

 rvd1ofakind wrote:

 Vomikron Noxis wrote:

 rvd1ofakind wrote:
Well he will kill anything he touches. Also his flamer is amazing. Also casts 3 powers. Also really hard for him to die. I'd say he's preeeeetty good. The only thing preventing me for taking him more is because I want to take more different things

Glad to hear it! Been sitting on my shelf for years and he needs to get out... any changes you'd make to the list? I'm planning something very similar.

Plague Drones are overpriced still(they haven't got a price drop yet and they will when the dex comes out). So probably them into more plaguebearers or maybe summoning. Turn 1 drakes, turn 2 summoning, turn 3 the rest of the army.

Thanks for all the info on this. Would you play the list without the drakes? I'm planning something similar, but with more princes and plaguebearers. My concern then is that I don't have enough punch to take out the bigger stuff.

Well now I'm waiting for the Death Guard Codex, which should have Nurgle daemons along with pts price drops

Dumb question inbound...

Does Aetaos'rau'keres get that "Aligned deamon" psychic power too? Unless I'm missing something, he is a Deamon of Tzeentch and a psyker, thus has access to this power. Right?

Weaver of Fates power giving him 2++ invuln save??

If so, I have a tactic question...

Would it be better to have Magnus use this power to bump his invuln save to 3++ and have both Aetaos and Maggie go to town?

Or, should I have Aetoas be the aggressive scary one with a 2++ invuln save and have him go to town?

not 1 but 2 mistakes:

1. He's not Heretic Astartes
2. Invul save can never be better than 3++ with that power

With the new power it makes Magnus significantly more viable. I'll likely be using him in my RTT next weekend.

 rvd1ofakind wrote:
not 1 but 2 mistakes:

1. He's not Heretic Astartes
2. Invul save can never be better than 3++ with that power

Goes to show that I need my codex. Thanks!


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 Cephalobeard wrote:
With the new power it makes Magnus significantly more viable. I'll likely be using him in my RTT next weekend.

I'm bringing him to my GT tourny this weekend.

 whembly wrote:

 rvd1ofakind wrote:
not 1 but 2 mistakes:

1. He's not Heretic Astartes
2. Invul save can never be better than 3++ with that power

Goes to show that I need my codex. Thanks!


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 Cephalobeard wrote:
With the new power it makes Magnus significantly more viable. I'll likely be using him in my RTT next weekend.

I'm bringing him to my GT tourny this weekend.

Good luck!

I've been a fan of not using him, but access to these new spells seems like just the extra bump he needed to me.

 Cephalobeard wrote:
With the new power it makes Magnus significantly more viable. I'll likely be using him in my RTT next weekend.

Hope your first turn rolls are better than mine. I had Magnus for a tournament last weekend....I lost the roll off for first turn twice, and the one time I won, my opponent seized. :-( One game he won single-handedly, the second game he died turn 3 after failing a modest charge to leap over the screening unit and tear up a Land Raider Terminus Ultra, and the third game my opponent's dice were unbelievably hot and he died turn 1 to about a dozen lascannon shots. Disheartening, to say the least.

Sokhar wrote:

 Cephalobeard wrote:
With the new power it makes Magnus significantly more viable. I'll likely be using him in my RTT next weekend.

Hope your first turn rolls are better than mine. I had Magnus for a tournament last weekend....I lost the roll off for first turn twice, and the one time I won, my opponent seized. :-( One game he won single-handedly, the second game he died turn 3 after failing a modest charge to leap over the screening unit and tear up a Land Raider Terminus Ultra, and the third game my opponent's dice were unbelievably hot and he died turn 1 to about a dozen lascannon shots. Disheartening, to say the least.

Yeah, that's my main concern. He just fething dies. I haven't decided for sure yet.

Heh... I just realized how good Aetaos' staff is...

It states:
This weapon can be fired within 1" of an enemy unit and can target
enemy units within 1" of friendly models.

He can still shoot units even if the unit is in combat. Jeez...

Yes. He's very good. If you're going to want to use him, make sure you have an appropriate sized model, and know that in many events it's likely he will be banned.

 whembly wrote:
Heh... I just realized how good Aetaos' staff is...

It states:
This weapon can be fired within 1" of an enemy unit and can target
enemy units within 1" of friendly models.

He can still shoot units even if the unit is in combat. Jeez...

And it's an assault weapon. So turn 1 he can advance and still hit on 3's, while moving 20 + D6". And continue shooting that thing even while he's engaged in close combat where he can massacre hordes and big models equally well.

 Cephalobeard wrote:
Yes. He's very good. If you're going to want to use him, make sure you have an appropriate sized model, and know that in many events it's likely he will be banned.

I got the *real* Aetaos model.


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Sokhar wrote:

 whembly wrote:
Heh... I just realized how good Aetaos' staff is...

It states:
This weapon can be fired within 1" of an enemy unit and can target
enemy units within 1" of friendly models.

He can still shoot units even if the unit is in combat. Jeez...

And it's an assault weapon. So turn 1 he can advance and still hit on 3's, while moving 20 + D6". And continue shooting that thing even while he's engaged in close combat where he can massacre hordes and big models equally well.

Erm... how does he massacre hordes? He only has 6 attacks at full strength. Unless you're referring to the fact that he can shoot whilst in combat?

 Cephalobeard wrote:
Yes. He's very good. If you're going to want to use him, make sure you have an appropriate sized model, and know that in many events it's likely he will be banned.

Can I put my LoC on a tiny box instead?

 rvd1ofakind wrote:

 Cephalobeard wrote:
Yes. He's very good. If you're going to want to use him, make sure you have an appropriate sized model, and know that in many events it's likely he will be banned.

Can I put my LoC on a tiny box instead?

If I were the TO I wouldn't ever allow it. The difference in size between the model is 3" in height and many more in width.

 Cephalobeard wrote:
Yes. He's very good. If you're going to want to use him, make sure you have an appropriate sized model, and know that in many events it's likely he will be banned.

You mean Aetos is banned or just subbing the smaller LoC model for him?

knas wrote:

 Cephalobeard wrote:
Yes. He's very good. If you're going to want to use him, make sure you have an appropriate sized model, and know that in many events it's likely he will be banned.

You mean Aetos is banned or just subbing the smaller LoC model for him?

A very large ITC event banned him. This sets the possibility that for other major events (mostly LVO) that he will be banned again.

It's not set in stone, it's just likely. Unless you have a very solid budget, I would not invest.


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That being said, for the millionth time, anyone who uses a LoC for his model is a dick and shouldn't be allowed to do it.

 Cephalobeard wrote:

knas wrote:

 Cephalobeard wrote:
Yes. He's very good. If you're going to want to use him, make sure you have an appropriate sized model, and know that in many events it's likely he will be banned.

You mean Aetos is banned or just subbing the smaller LoC model for him?

A very large ITC event banned him. This sets the possibility that for other major events (mostly LVO) that he will be banned again.

It's not set in stone, it's just likely. Unless you have a very solid budget, I would not invest.


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That being said, for the millionth time, anyone who uses a LoC for his model is a dick and shouldn't be allowed to do it.

Damn, is it because of possible exploiting or just being too good for his price?

 knas wrote:

 Cephalobeard wrote:

knas wrote:

 Cephalobeard wrote:
Yes. He's very good. If you're going to want to use him, make sure you have an appropriate sized model, and know that in many events it's likely he will be banned.

You mean Aetos is banned or just subbing the smaller LoC model for him?

A very large ITC event banned him. This sets the possibility that for other major events (mostly LVO) that he will be banned again.

It's not set in stone, it's just likely. Unless you have a very solid budget, I would not invest.


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That being said, for the millionth time, anyone who uses a LoC for his model is a dick and shouldn't be allowed to do it.

Damn, is it because of possible exploiting or just being too good for his price?

I don't think he's TOO good. He's just good. I think people are babies and don't like when models are too hard to kill, or are too big compared to their armies.

More casual players will just get annoyed they're not boltering him to death, and competitive players will likely find a way to kill him. It's a pretty big shift between the two.

Well... I'm bringing him to a tourny (where they've capped units to PL35).

Any idea what that other poster meant that Aetaos "murders" hordes??? I think I'm missing something...

Aetaos only has 6 attacks at full strength. o.O

 whembly wrote:
Well... I'm bringing him to a tourny (where they've capped units to PL35).

Any idea what that other poster meant that Aetaos "murders" hordes??? I think I'm missing something...

Aetaos only has 6 attacks at full strength. o.O

Massacre might have been a bit of an overstatement vs hordes, but the ability for his claws to inflict 3 mortal wounds (which spill over from one model to the next) helps him kill more stuff than just his raw attacks value would indicate. Not as well as Zarakynel would, but Aetao has the sweet shooting attack that can still be used while in close combat.