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 Carnikang wrote:

darthryan wrote:
It does make it a bit difficult for your opponent to know what they are facing and plan accordingly when guessing the wrong type of plasma incinerator can mean a 12" range difference.

Well, asking your opponent is usually the go to for that.

"Are those Regular Hellblasters or one of the variants?"

It's still confusing when there are a lot of model on the table. I'd prefer them to look more distinct.

Ooh, I'm glad intercessors and hellblasters are priced at a reasonable level. Hellblasters at least I expected to be 5 for £30. Quietly quite pleased with that.

Why does the auxiliary grenade launcher connect with some kind of cable to the top of the bolter, that just looks stupid.

 Bull0 wrote:
Ooh, I'm glad intercessors and hellblasters are priced at a reasonable level. Hellblasters at least I expected to be 5 for £30. Quietly quite pleased with that.

Why does the auxiliary grenade launcher connect with some kind of cable to the top of the bolter, that just looks stupid.

Pretty sure that's just a shoulder strap.

 Yodhrin wrote:
You can reduce a rich and varied subset of the hobby to mere reposing and headswaps to try and bolster your theory if you like, but I'd hope that nobody with any sense will buy that line.

Cough .. War Machine.. Cough.. Heroclix... Cough.. X-Wing.. Cough.. Infinity..

Don't get me wrong, part of the reason I play 40K over those other games is I like the customization that 40K allows, but specific options always change from edition to edition.

Being able to use the index version in 8E is miles better than the moutain of things that 3E invalidated.

 Bull0 wrote:
Ooh, I'm glad intercessors and hellblasters are priced at a reasonable level. Hellblasters at least I expected to be 5 for £30. Quietly quite pleased with that.

Why does the auxiliary grenade launcher connect with some kind of cable to the top of the bolter, that just looks stupid.

That's a sling that holds grenades. I think it looks flipping awesome.

I too wish that they had more varied weapons than three types of plasma gun. Some kind of missile launcher for the long range variant or gatling for the close range variant would have been nice.

Has seen anybody the Ultramarine upgrade pack for primaris? I expetc it to have some nice Crests

 Galas wrote:
Has seen anybody the Ultramarine upgrade pack for primaris? I expetc it to have some nice Crests

The arms and that 1 helmet seem like the only things distinctly limited to Primaris.. I hope if they do Primaris upgrade kits for other factions it includes alternate torsos or tabards for BTs and DAs. I have been resisting the urge to buy the BT upgrades and simply chop them up to fit the Primaris.. which.. I've been doing with extras from my DA army




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 Carnikang wrote:

darthryan wrote:
It does make it a bit difficult for your opponent to know what they are facing and plan accordingly when guessing the wrong type of plasma incinerator can mean a 12" range difference.

Well, asking your opponent is usually the go to for that.

"Are those Regular Hellblasters or one of the variants?"

Well also the one has a backpack and the other is an overgrown plasma rifle.. it's a bit like mixing up a Plasma Gun and Cannon from the existing weapons. Now.. Heavy Plasma Gun from the older days.. yeah I was always confused on those..

 Crimson wrote:
What is weird that almost identical looking weapons have wildly different rules. It goes for the plasma variants and for the bolt rifles, where a slightly different magazine or other doodah completely changes the function of the weapon. It is doubly weird considering that in the same codex we also get two weapons which look drastically different (bolt carbine and assault bolt rifle) which nevertheless have the exact same rules.

I don't think it's wildly different?

Each gun has three variants - the standard Rapid Fire at 30", an Assault 2 version that only goes out to 24", and a Heavy 1 version that goes to 36". For Intercessors, the Assault one loses a point of AP and the Heavy one gains a point of AP; for Hellblasters, the Assault one loses a point of Strength and the heavy one gains a point of Strength.

It seems pretty simple to remember - there's a middle-of-the-road Rapid Fire option, an Assault option that puts more shots out at midrange but doesn't hit as hard, and a Heavy option with a slower rate of fire but more powerful attack.

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 Bull0 wrote:
Ooh, I'm glad intercessors and hellblasters are priced at a reasonable level. Hellblasters at least I expected to be 5 for £30. Quietly quite pleased with that.

Why does the auxiliary grenade launcher connect with some kind of cable to the top of the bolter, that just looks stupid.

That's a sling that holds grenades. I think it looks flipping awesome.

One man's stupid is another man's awesome, I guess. Why is grenades on a sling practical, why is a sling that connects to the top of a gun practical, why don't the other guys have slings, etc.

are the helblasters 60 or 50$?

Ah, Primaris Chapter upgrade kits may explain the bizarre limitations on which melee weapons sergeants can have - I expect the BA and SW versions to have chainswords.

 Galas wrote:
Has seen anybody the Ultramarine upgrade pack for primaris? I expetc it to have some nice Crests

Those fethers! They make this yet the can't be arsed to do a sprue with some real weapon and relic options for Primaris characters!

I expect the upgrade packs to be direct only,

and so cause a lot of wailing and gnashing of teeth as they won't be available at a discount

although hopefully you will be able to get them separtately unlike the genestealer cult upgrade sprue

 Galas wrote:
Has seen anybody the Ultramarine upgrade pack for primaris? I expetc it to have some nice Crests

I had been hoping that GW might use the Primaris to move there focus onto other chapters outside the usual first founding plus BT gang. Maybe when they release the stand alone Primaris codex?
Still I always prefer sculpted pads over using transfers. Although only six regular MK-X pads is disappointing, on the plus side this set looks like it doesn't have the annoyingly large shoulder top embellishments that make the current Ultras sprue such a pain to use. The Auspex also looks like it could be a good replacement for the Apothecary's geenseed arm.

GoatboyBeta wrote:

 Galas wrote:
Has seen anybody the Ultramarine upgrade pack for primaris? I expetc it to have some nice Crests

I had been hoping that GW might use the Primaris to move there focus onto other chapters outside the usual first founding plus BT gang. Maybe when they release the stand alone Primaris codex?
Still I always prefer sculpted pads over using transfers. Although only six regular MK-X pads is disappointing, on the plus side this set looks like it doesn't have the annoyingly large shoulder top embellishments that make the current Ultras sprue such a pain to use. The Auspex also looks like it could be a good replacement for the Apothecary's geenseed arm.

Really kind of annoys me since all they come with is Ultramarine decals.

I think Rapid Fire Hellblasters would be best in a Repulsor and I think I'ma build that, especially if the Repulsor is Toughness 8 (?)

Via War of Sigmar - larger photo

FWIW, one Stormcast character launched with only one set of equipment but got a bunch of options with the release of a multi-part kit later on. The character was from the starter set, however.

Other characters initially had only one equipment option but received a second one with the release of an additional clam-pack variant.

It's not much but there is some hope of expanded Primaris character options in the future.

Warhams-77 wrote:
Via War of Sigmar - larger photo

Spoiler:

No roman crest, no party.

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
FWIW, one Stormcast character launched with only one set of equipment but got a bunch of options with the release of a multi-part kit later on. The character was from the starter set, however.

Other characters initially had only one equipment option but received a second one with the release of an additional clam-pack variant.

It's not much but there is some hope of expanded Primaris character options in the future.

What character has a multi part kit?

 NivlacSupreme wrote:

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
FWIW, one Stormcast character launched with only one set of equipment but got a bunch of options with the release of a multi-part kit later on. The character was from the starter set, however.

Other characters initially had only one equipment option but received a second one with the release of an additional clam-pack variant.

It's not much but there is some hope of expanded Primaris character options in the future.

What character has a multi part kit?

The Lord Celestant on Dracoth is an alternate build from the Dracothian Guard kit. The starter set version was a mono pose with only a large hammer(recently released solo as the first Stormcast named SC). The Dracothian Guard kit version has IIRC a choice of hammer or axe and can take a shield as well.

That's just... such a bland waste. There's already an Ultras upgrade sprue, that comes with more shoulders and comes with fancy U power swords. Does it have some pieces that are meant for old power armor? Sure. Does it stop that kit from being essentially redundant with this one? No.

There's just no need for this kit, especially since, as pointed out above, there's already a dedicated line of Ultra decals for them, even.

There are so many armies that would be better suited to an upgrade sprue, even if it was purely aesthetic and not a matter of filling out options or updating horribly old whole kits.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
I have to say I'm not a fan of Intercessors and Hellblasters getting a bunch of minor variations of the same gun sculpt with significantly different rules.

Yea same here. The heavy plasma gun apparently uses the exact same gun but adds two wonky cords with awful bends in them lol.

 Bull0 wrote:
Ooh, I'm glad intercessors and hellblasters are priced at a reasonable level. Hellblasters at least I expected to be 5 for £30. Quietly quite pleased with that.

Why does the auxiliary grenade launcher connect with some kind of cable to the top of the bolter, that just looks stupid.

Just looks like an over the shoulder sling to me, not a cable at all.

I will say i'm pretty happy with the options and stuff for the intercessors and hellblasters, the kits keep their intended focus while still having cool guns. I'm warming up to the idea of building on my Primaris side of dark imperium, still not willing to commit until I see the DG though.

Edit: also the Ultramarines transfer sheet is gone on the US site, not even sold out...just gone. I emailed GW about this over a month ago and they pointed me to the plastic upgrade sprues. I told them this doesn't friggin help me with the vehicles...they need legitimate transfers.

 spiralingcadaver wrote:
That's just... such a bland waste. There's already an Ultras upgrade sprue, that comes with more shoulders and comes with fancy U power swords. Does it have some pieces that are meant for old power armor? Sure. Does it stop that kit from being essentially redundant with this one? No.

There's just no need for this kit, especially since, as pointed out above, there's already a dedicated line of Ultra decals for them, even.

There are so many armies that would be better suited to an upgrade sprue, even if it was purely aesthetic and not a matter of filling out options or updating horribly old whole kits.

I guess GW feel that Ultras would sell better than other chapters(although like the popularity of the entire SM range in general there is a whole chicken and egg debate to be had), but they would not have been my first choice. The Imperial fists and Raven guard both have badges that can be used for other chapters. Once you move away from the first founding there are even more examples of chapters sharing the same badge with different colors.

 spiralingcadaver wrote:
That's just... such a bland waste. There's already an Ultras upgrade sprue, that comes with more shoulders and comes with fancy U power swords. Does it have some pieces that are meant for old power armor? Sure. Does it stop that kit from being essentially redundant with this one? No.

There's just no need for this kit, especially since, as pointed out above, there's already a dedicated line of Ultra decals for them, even.

There are so many armies that would be better suited to an upgrade sprue, even if it was purely aesthetic and not a matter of filling out options or updating horribly old whole kits.

Those bare heads are awful too btw. Baldy I can tolerate but the guy with bird poo running down his head is just terrible. Couldn't imagine paying 60 for the intercessors then I would guess 12-15 more for some pads and that hobbit sword.


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GoatboyBeta wrote:

 spiralingcadaver wrote:
That's just... such a bland waste. There's already an Ultras upgrade sprue, that comes with more shoulders and comes with fancy U power swords. Does it have some pieces that are meant for old power armor? Sure. Does it stop that kit from being essentially redundant with this one? No.

There's just no need for this kit, especially since, as pointed out above, there's already a dedicated line of Ultra decals for them, even.

There are so many armies that would be better suited to an upgrade sprue, even if it was purely aesthetic and not a matter of filling out options or updating horribly old whole kits.

I guess GW feel that Ultras would sell better than other chapters(although like the popularity of the entire SM range in general there is a whole chicken and egg debate to be had), but they would not have been my first choice. The Imperial fists and Raven guard both have badges that can be used for other chapters. Once you move away from the first founding there are even more examples of chapters sharing the same badge with different colors.

But why waste space and time on pads when you could add actual in game options for the characters etc? I'm probably in the minority here but it always seemed bizarre to sell transfers and sculpted pads for the same goal.


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Btw can someone explain to me why sternguard have ammo that makes a normal bolter better then a bolt rifle? Seems to undermine the existence of the bolt rifle when apparently a standard issue bolter can simply load rounds that make it perform better then the next generation of bolt weapon.

That's been bothering me for a while now lol.

GoatboyBeta wrote:

 spiralingcadaver wrote:
That's just... such a bland waste. There's already an Ultras upgrade sprue, that comes with more shoulders and comes with fancy U power swords. Does it have some pieces that are meant for old power armor? Sure. Does it stop that kit from being essentially redundant with this one? No.

There's just no need for this kit, especially since, as pointed out above, there's already a dedicated line of Ultra decals for them, even.

There are so many armies that would be better suited to an upgrade sprue, even if it was purely aesthetic and not a matter of filling out options or updating horribly old whole kits.

I guess GW feel that Ultras would sell better than other chapters(although like the popularity of the entire SM range in general there is a whole chicken and egg debate to be had), but they would not have been my first choice. The Imperial fists and Raven guard both have badges that can be used for other chapters. Once you move away from the first founding there are even more examples of chapters sharing the same badge with different colors.

Ultramarines likewise have sucessor chapters that you can use their badge for with the sons of Oror. it might also be that ultramarines are also the easiest to do. being so plain, comparitivly speaking, robes, wolf hide etc are gonna be harder. like the earlier upgrade sprue I'd expect to just see the "big 4" hopefully forge world will at least put out some agressor shoulder pads for the other 1st foundings

BrianDavion wrote:

GoatboyBeta wrote:

 spiralingcadaver wrote:
That's just... such a bland waste. There's already an Ultras upgrade sprue, that comes with more shoulders and comes with fancy U power swords. Does it have some pieces that are meant for old power armor? Sure. Does it stop that kit from being essentially redundant with this one? No.

There's just no need for this kit, especially since, as pointed out above, there's already a dedicated line of Ultra decals for them, even.

There are so many armies that would be better suited to an upgrade sprue, even if it was purely aesthetic and not a matter of filling out options or updating horribly old whole kits.

I guess GW feel that Ultras would sell better than other chapters(although like the popularity of the entire SM range in general there is a whole chicken and egg debate to be had), but they would not have been my first choice. The Imperial fists and Raven guard both have badges that can be used for other chapters. Once you move away from the first founding there are even more examples of chapters sharing the same badge with different colors.

Ultramarines likewise have sucessor chapters that you can use their badge for with the sons of Oror. it might also be that ultramarines are also the easiest to do. being so plain, comparitivly speaking, robes, wolf hide etc are gonna be harder. like the earlier upgrade sprue I'd expect to just see the "big 4" hopefully forge world will at least put out some agressor shoulder pads for the other 1st foundings

Sons of Oror do not use the same badge lol. Also how hard is it to just use the existing upgrade sprue lol?

whoops thats right sons of oror are upside down.

that said yeah there's little reason to buy this upgrade pack unless you really want to build a Primaris Lt with a power sword, OR want Ultramarine shoulder pads for agressors. if you're looking for shoulder pads for an intercessor squad, you're better off buying the old upgrade pack