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I'm printing one up now to check the fit on an actual model. Once that's done and I put it up on my shapeways store I'll definitely drop a line here.

What kind of cut do you get from the shapeways store? Everything I see on there is crazy expensive.

It's set by the seller, on top of the material price which is normally a little on the expensive side. That's a little off-topic though - pm me if you want to talk more about it.

I have a few really silly questions, I think, but I'm going to ask them anyway. I have an epub version of the Index 2, and while I have my initial heart set on Scions, I've been looking at adding some Sisters because they seem really pretty neat.

But...I don't quite like the models as they are currently, especially since they aren't plastic. I'm looking at doing some conversions using bits from other game systems, but is that usually frowned upon? There are some units I'd like to do a few different things with, particularly for tactics purposes, and I'm afraid that it not being exactly the metal model might cause issues.

Does the Order keyword matter? Are there any special Orders, or unique ones?

This Repressor...I see it isn't available on FW. Is that temporary? I'm really liking that idea of a rolling band of Storm Bolters. Has that been successful for anyone?

Converting/making new models as long as they are clear, cool and consistent, is never a problem.

Order does not matter.

Repressor is indefinitely unavailable.

A lot of folks are reporting good things with storm bolters.

Indeed. One of my friends who plays tank-heavy basically says "put a storm bolter on every vehicle possible".

For 2 points, why not?

But then my Repressor doesn't have two heavy flamers?! D:

Wough, a Prioris Pattern Repressor?

Extra Storm Bolters on vehicles are arguably a better upgrade than on a Sister. Consider that adding a storm bolter where there was previously none gains you +4 bolter shots within 12" and +2 within 13-24". Replacing a Sisters Boltgun with a Storm Bolter nets you only +2 bolter shots within 12" and +1 within 13-24" for the same amount of points. You also get quite a few inches extra circular range from the sheer size of the vehicle, better line of sight and if it loses a few wounds you don't start losing weapons.

However I am shying away from adding them to my Immolation Flamer Immolators as they'll be doing a lot of Advancing.

Also their value on backfield units that don't want to move up is limited.

 Zefig wrote:
Wow, looks like I'm a little late to this party. All looks like good advice so far. I'm really liking our total toolset.

I did work up this in CAD over the past couple evenings as a printable Repressor conversion that works like the immolator's top plate, but fits the standard rhino cupolas.

That's SWEET AS F!!!

Would you be willing to share a .STL?

Cool. Looks nicer than the one I prepped.

Would you be willing to share the .prt file?

 Zefig wrote:
Wow, looks like I'm a little late to this party. All looks like good advice so far. I'm really liking our total toolset.

I did work up this in CAD over the past couple evenings as a printable Repressor conversion that works like the immolator's top plate, but fits the standard rhino cupolas.

That is impressive, and exactly what I was looking for. Please keep us posted on your progress, Zefig.

If you're good at something, never do it for free.

It was by utter serendipity that I decided to head into a GW shop the day after the new Indices and Rulebook came out.

I've had a Sisters army since they were Witch Hunters, and I am ecstatic that we're getting some spiffy new rules for the army. (I haven't played since 6th ed.)

I picked up Index: Imperium II because that's all I needed I think... and the Rulebook, of course.

I noticed that everyone here is talking about Repressors as an available transport for Battle Sisters, but I can't for the life of me find any mention of it in the Index. Can someone point me in the right direction? Maybe a page number, or if it's in another Index?

Thanks!

Its in the Forgeworld index for Astartes.

Ah, I see! Thank you!

I'll have to see what I can do about that. Probably nothing for now, as I don't have the means to make Repressors at the moment.

From what I can tell, they're a massive help to an army as shooty as the Battle Sisters.

 Melissia wrote:

Taikishi wrote:

 Melissia wrote:
While it's true that in the lore, elements of the Imperial Guard is at least more likely to operate under the de facto command (if not de jure) of a Sisters of Battle commander than elements of the Adeptus Astartes, unless you're doing a themed list (say, Holy Crusade list as it were) I usually counsel not doing it. Actually, guard DO benefit from Ecclesiarchy character buffs...

And Celestine gives therm a 6+ (but not Shield of Faith) if they're within 6"

True.

So I could definitely see a "Holy Crusade" list with guard, ecclesiarchy, and some sisters, both in rules and in fluff. That the Ecclesiarchy stuff specifically buffs guard encourages their use together. Priests give all Astra Militaritum units near them +1 attack (this, amusingly enough, includes Mlitaritium vehicles, because it says units, not infantry), and Jacobus (being an HQ-slot super-priest) has a 6" radius +1Ld buff alongside it.

That sounds like a really fun idea.


If I was to build such a list using mostly IG (with just a small amount of SoB stuff at the core), could you give any recommendations? I'm especially curious regarding what IG stuff (or builds/wargear) you think would be most flavourful for this sort of list. Also, what SoB models/units would you recommend for a small command core to lead the army?

I'm personally a fan of conscripts to counts-as frateris/redemptionists, they go well with a crusade force.

 vipoid wrote:

 Melissia wrote:

Taikishi wrote:

 Melissia wrote:
While it's true that in the lore, elements of the Imperial Guard is at least more likely to operate under the de facto command (if not de jure) of a Sisters of Battle commander than elements of the Adeptus Astartes, unless you're doing a themed list (say, Holy Crusade list as it were) I usually counsel not doing it. Actually, guard DO benefit from Ecclesiarchy character buffs...

And Celestine gives therm a 6+ (but not Shield of Faith) if they're within 6"

True.

So I could definitely see a "Holy Crusade" list with guard, ecclesiarchy, and some sisters, both in rules and in fluff. That the Ecclesiarchy stuff specifically buffs guard encourages their use together. Priests give all Astra Militaritum units near them +1 attack (this, amusingly enough, includes Mlitaritium vehicles, because it says units, not infantry), and Jacobus (being an HQ-slot super-priest) has a 6" radius +1Ld buff alongside it.

That sounds like a really fun idea.


If I was to build such a list using mostly IG (with just a small amount of SoB stuff at the core), could you give any recommendations? I'm especially curious regarding what IG stuff (or builds/wargear) you think would be most flavourful for this sort of list. Also, what SoB models/units would you recommend for a small command core to lead the army?

I'm personally a huge fan of Scions. Aesthetically, their armour has a medieval crusader look to it and I believe fits more with your theme of a Holy Crusade than the stock Cadian grunt would. They also gain access to an exceptional transport in the Taurox Prime that brings some ridiculous firepower for its price, but it can only hold Scions and it removes some of the benefit of their deep strike deployment option. Alternatively, you could stick them into some Valks and drop them during movement, and since they're disembarking you can move afterwards, giving you an option for quick strike meltas or double tap with hot shot las. Scions also give you access to an awful lot of plasma and fits into a more fast striking style, which would complement heavy use of Dominions in Repressors, for example.

If you're looking for a more traditional IG foot sloggers army supported by tanks and artillery, then Scions wouldn't be a great fit and you might want to look at some conscripts buffed by Priests and the like.

Scions were going to be my initial jumping on point into 40k again (I'm saving for my wedding and honeymoon currently, so I'm just heavily lurking these days), but SoB caught my attention recently as well. I really like your idea of a joint force for fluff and gameplay reasons, so I'm going to commit to the Scion + SoB route as soon as financially possible.

Now I just need to figure out how to make a solid stormbolter conversion and get my hands on some way to make custom Repressors...

If Celestians' bodyguard rule didn't apply only to <Order> units, I'd suggest using them, but sadly they do. If only Sisters had HQ units taht both needed the protection and were worth the extra points. But we don't.

 pretre wrote:
I'm personally a fan of conscripts to counts-as frateris/redemptionists, they go well with a crusade force.

Unfortunately, I'm not really a fan of conscripts. Thanks anyway, though.

Lemondish wrote:

I'm personally a huge fan of Scions. Aesthetically, their armour has a medieval crusader look to it and I believe fits more with your theme of a Holy Crusade than the stock Cadian grunt would. They also gain access to an exceptional transport in the Taurox Prime that brings some ridiculous firepower for its price, but it can only hold Scions and it removes some of the benefit of their deep strike deployment option. Alternatively, you could stick them into some Valks and drop them during movement, and since they're disembarking you can move afterwards, giving you an option for quick strike meltas or double tap with hot shot las. Scions also give you access to an awful lot of plasma and fits into a more fast striking style, which would complement heavy use of Dominions in Repressors, for example.

I have to say, I wasn't expecting Scions to come up in a 'holy crusade' list. I can see what you mean about their armour looking the part though.

Lemondish wrote:

If you're looking for a more traditional IG foot sloggers army supported by tanks and artillery, then Scions wouldn't be a great fit and you might want to look at some conscripts buffed by Priests and the like.

Well, I'm happy to skip the tanks and artillery and just use more footsoldiers.

I might perhaps go with Infantry Squads instead of Conscripts.

In terms of special weapons, would a mix of flamers and meltas be the most flavourful do you think? Perhaps with some Heavy Bolters?

Also, if I include St. Celestine and some Priests, is there anything else I should consider including from SoB to form the core of my army?

Lemondish wrote:

Scions were going to be my initial jumping on point into 40k again (I'm saving for my wedding and honeymoon currently, so I'm just heavily lurking these days), but SoB caught my attention recently as well. I really like your idea of a joint force for fluff and gameplay reasons, so I'm going to commit to the Scion + SoB route as soon as financially possible.

Scions are really good at the moment. Their ability to deep strike in with plasmaguns is devastating - especially when you have a MT Command Squad with 4 plasmaguns and a Prime to let them reroll 1s.

 Melissia wrote:
If Celestians' bodyguard rule didn't apply only to <Order> units, I'd suggest using them, but sadly they do. If only Sisters had HQ units taht both needed the protection and were worth the extra points. But we don't.

Another thing that really bothers me is that Celestine doesn't actually count as being part of the Order of Our Martyred Lady.

Flamers are a good choice since you're going to be using your IG squads in ways no one would expect-- in assault and short range shooting.

How did you do this weekend at ATC, Panzer?

I wish Canonesses could get Jump Packs again.

I had hoped that, since Genevieve and Eleanore had them, they would get them this edition, but I guess not. Right now, she's basically just deadweight in the army.

I still like canonesses, but they really aren't as useful as they should be. Basically only super-useful to groundpounders or retributors.

They're hugely more useful than they were in 7th. Rerolling ones is useful for basically all of our units.

The problem is, that assumes that there's enough units hanging around them to benefit from the re-roll 1's to be worth 45 points. I would pay 45 points to get to re-roll 1's to hit on 6 Dominions squads, and their tanks, but 45 points to make a single Exorcist or a squad of Rets re-roll their 1's to hits isn't really value.

And, if course, if I pack in all my rearguard units around the Canoness, they're not taking up my deployment zone and aren't protecting my rear from outflankers and deepstrikers.