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 Unit1126PLL wrote:

 Inquisitor Lord Katherine wrote:
I'm sudden;y hesitant to go entirely with Repressors.

Repressors don't have 12" range on their Heavy Flamers, and can't carry Multimeltas.

I've had a lot of good things out of my MM Immolators, since they can reach the enemy artillery on Hammer and Anvil and get melta-range over IG infantry.

I am questioning if I want the Immolation Flamers for their overwatch ability, because Repressors don't get to fire their heavy flamers in overwatch, while Immolators do. The thing it, it won't stop a Trygon Prime, so I'm not sure if it's going to get the chance to fire at 'stealers and 'gaunts.

I have greater access to Immolators than Repressors, obviously. Do you think the dual-MM Immolator by itself is a good anti-tank 'tank' (if Sisters had to pick one) to cover the gaps in my footslogger's AT? I can fill it with melta-doms, too, of course.

It's expensive, but it works. I put a H-K missile and Multimeltas on some of them. On Dawn of War, they don't have to move on turn 1, so I can fire all my weapons at full BS. On Hammer and Anvil, the ability to harass a Manticore is worth quite a bit. H-K missiles only go so far.

I'd rather have the Immolation flamer than the TL-MM. The TL-MM is super expensive and the autohit immo flamer is just too juicy.

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:

 Inquisitor Lord Katherine wrote:
I'm sudden;y hesitant to go entirely with Repressors.

Repressors don't have 12" range on their Heavy Flamers, and can't carry Multimeltas.

I've had a lot of good things out of my MM Immolators, since they can reach the enemy artillery on Hammer and Anvil and get melta-range over IG infantry.

I am questioning if I want the Immolation Flamers for their overwatch ability, because Repressors don't get to fire their heavy flamers in overwatch, while Immolators do. The thing it, it won't stop a Trygon Prime, so I'm not sure if it's going to get the chance to fire at 'stealers and 'gaunts.

Keep in mind the Heavy Flamers do get to Overwatch, and to devastating effect, on chargers within 8", and on those chargers outside of 9", hoping for re-rolls, adrenal glands, etc... you weren't going to deny them much by going with a Multi-Melta and Immolation Flamer, but losing out on the more general game-impacting value of firing points.

Plus, with smart placement of models, you're using Dominions in Repressors to deny a huge amount of table-space as valid locations for deep-strikers. That value can't be quantified in math-hammer, but has a huge impact on the game.

Not having at least 10" of range is basically "doesn't get to fire overwatch."

Everything that's going to charge and isn't already dead does so out of Deep Strike. In addition, it's virtually impossible to actually secure an anti-deepstrike perimeter, because they can always deliver their Genestealers within their own deployment zone.

Here's the thing, I don't think the overwatch is really worthwhile, because, even if you've only presented a Immo-Flamer Immolator to the enemy as a charge target, they'll lead with a Trygon.

So I'm thinking Repressors [2x SB, 1x Flamer, H-K Missile] and MM Immolators in some combination will be the ideal mix.

A repressor can carry 8 MM.

 RabbitMaster wrote:

 pretre wrote:
I'm wondering about the winning list from this weekend. Apparently, a big GT won by Sisters.

Well I can help you with that:

Spoiler:

Adeptus Ministorum Outrider detachment:
HQ: Saint Celestine with BFFs

EL: Ministorum Priest
EL: 9x Arco-flagellants

FA: 5x Dominions with 4x meltaguns
FA: 5x Dominions with 4x meltaguns
FA: 5x Dominions with 4x meltaguns
FA: 5x Dominions with 4x meltaguns
FA: 9x Seraphims with 4x inferno pistols

DT: Repressor with heavy-flamer and 2x stormbolter
DT: Repressor with heavy-flamer and 2x stormbolter
DT: Repressor with heavy-flamer and 2x stormbolter
DT: Repressor with heavy-flamer and 2x stormbolter
DT: Rhino with 2x stormbolter

Astra Militarum Spearhead detachment:
HQ: Cie Commander

HS: Manticore
HS: Manticore
HS: Heavy Weapon Squad with 3x mortars

DT: Taurox Prime with gatling and 2x hot-shots
DT: Taurox Prime with gatling and 2x hot-shots

Here are the army I faced:
Round1: Astra Militarum with lots of guards squads and conscripts
Round2: Magnus + 2 Chaos Knight + Brimstones/Malefic Lords
Round3: SM Raptor brigade with Lias and all the neat DS tricks
Round4: Magnus + 2 tzeentch princes + lots and lots of brimstones/heralds/exalted (oh and also some TS scarab termies)
Round5: Bobby G devastator gunline with a stormraven and conscripts speedbump.

For the defense of my opponent, I went first in every game except the second. Going second in round 3 or 5 would most likely have resulted in me losing those games.

A knight could also fill that roll the IG are filling couldn't it? Some of those shoot as much as the IG stuff you got there, it's easier to transport, and it's somewhat competent in CC if you need it to be.

 pretre wrote:
I'd rather have the Immolation flamer than the TL-MM. The TL-MM is super expensive and the autohit immo flamer is just too juicy.

But, the Immolation Flamer isn't an antitank gun.


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 combatcotton wrote:
A repressor can carry 8 MM.

A Repressor doesn't have Vanguard if it's carrying 8 MM.

 pretre wrote:
So, if I dropped the Immo, I could get a total of 4 BSS with 3 SB in 2 Repressors. Add back in the Combi-Plasma and 2 Seras for 2k even.

My 2 cents on your list:
- swap the Cie Commander for a tempestor.
- get a second plasma command squad (2 tempestor = 4 orders, so always good to actually have 4).
- pay a plasma pistol on the scion sarges (you really want to maximise their impact when they drop and overcharge like crazy).

I would suggest to drop one retributor squad for points. They're not that good and you already have one to use the act of faith if needs be.


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 sfshilo wrote:

 RabbitMaster wrote:

 pretre wrote:
I'm wondering about the winning list from this weekend. Apparently, a big GT won by Sisters.

Well I can help you with that:

Spoiler:

Adeptus Ministorum Outrider detachment:
HQ: Saint Celestine with BFFs

EL: Ministorum Priest
EL: 9x Arco-flagellants

FA: 5x Dominions with 4x meltaguns
FA: 5x Dominions with 4x meltaguns
FA: 5x Dominions with 4x meltaguns
FA: 5x Dominions with 4x meltaguns
FA: 9x Seraphims with 4x inferno pistols

DT: Repressor with heavy-flamer and 2x stormbolter
DT: Repressor with heavy-flamer and 2x stormbolter
DT: Repressor with heavy-flamer and 2x stormbolter
DT: Repressor with heavy-flamer and 2x stormbolter
DT: Rhino with 2x stormbolter

Astra Militarum Spearhead detachment:
HQ: Cie Commander

HS: Manticore
HS: Manticore
HS: Heavy Weapon Squad with 3x mortars

DT: Taurox Prime with gatling and 2x hot-shots
DT: Taurox Prime with gatling and 2x hot-shots

Here are the army I faced:
Round1: Astra Militarum with lots of guards squads and conscripts
Round2: Magnus + 2 Chaos Knight + Brimstones/Malefic Lords
Round3: SM Raptor brigade with Lias and all the neat DS tricks
Round4: Magnus + 2 tzeentch princes + lots and lots of brimstones/heralds/exalted (oh and also some TS scarab termies)
Round5: Bobby G devastator gunline with a stormraven and conscripts speedbump.

For the defense of my opponent, I went first in every game except the second. Going second in round 3 or 5 would most likely have resulted in me losing those games.

A knight could also fill that roll the IG are filling couldn't it? Some of those shoot as much as the IG stuff you got there, it's easier to transport, and it's somewhat competent in CC if you need it to be.

It works too but it's not as optimal. I did play a knight along my sisters earlier in 8th and it was okay but ultimately it's the same issue as always: every good competitive army can down a knight in one phase, and some units out there are excessively efficient at removing a single high value target. In the end I preferred diluting my threats in multiple squads. Plus it actually gives me more units in my backfield to cover more ground (vs deepstrikers) and have people on my objectives. Also having some shooting with no LoS required is very important those days.

Finally the knight can replace the manticores, but not the Tauroxes. I need to be able to remove a boat load of conscripts turn 1.

 RabbitMaster wrote:
My 2 cents on your list:
- swap the Cie Commander for a tempestor.
- get a second plasma command squad (2 tempestor = 4 orders, so always good to actually have 4).
- pay a plasma pistol on the scion sarges (you really want to maximise their impact when they drop and overcharge like crazy).

I would suggest to drop one retributor squad for points. They're not that good and you already have one to use the act of faith if needs be.

Wow. I didn't realize guard PP were only 5 points. That's a nice catch. Gets me 2 PP, an extra CS with Plasma and an extra Seraphim model.

10 CP at 2k

Battalion (+3 CP)
HQ - Tempestor with Command Rod - 40
HQ - Lord Commissar (BP/Power Sword) - 55

Ob-Sec Troop - 35 Conscripts - 105
Ob-Sec Troop - 5 Tempestus Scions with 2 Plasma and PP - 64
Ob-Sec Troop - 5 Tempestus Scions with 2 Plasma and PP - 64

Heavy - Manticore with HB - 133
Elite - 4 Tempestus Scions with 4 Plasma - 64

Battalion (+3 CP)
HQ - St Celestine & one Gemini - 200
HQ - Canoness with Power Maul/BP - 49

Fast - 5 Doms with 4 Melta, Sup with Chainsword/BP/CombiP - 133
DT - Repressor with HF/SB - 90
Fast - 5 Doms with 4 Melta, Sup with Chainsword/BP/CombiP - 133
DT - Repressor with HF/SB - 90
Fast - 8 Seraphim, Superior with BP/Power Sword - 92

Ob-Sec Troop - 5 BSS with 2 Storm Bolters, Sup with StormB/BP/Chainsword - 51
Ob-Sec Troop - 5 BSS with 2 Storm Bolters, Sup with StormB/BP/Chainsword - 51
DT - Repressor with HF/SB - 90
Ob-Sec Troop - 5 BSS with 2 Storm Bolters, Sup with StormB/BP/Chainsword - 51
Ob-Sec Troop - 5 BSS with 2 Storm Bolters, Sup with StormB/BP/Chainsword - 51
DT - Repressor with HF/SB - 90

Heavy - 5 Ret with 4 HB, Sup with Bolter/BP/Chainsword  - 85


Vanguard (+1 CP)
HQ - Tempestor with Command Rod - 40
Elite - 4 Tempestus Scions with 4 Plasma - 64
Elite - Eversor - 70
Elite - Culexus - 85

 Inquisitor Lord Katherine wrote:

 pretre wrote:
I'd rather have the
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 combatcotton wrote:
A repressor can carry 8 MM.

A Repressor doesn't have Vanguard if it's carrying 8 MM.

True that.
Just pointing out that you don't need an immo for mobile MM. And the talk was partially about two BSS with SB sharing a repressor. They don't have vanguard movements either.

 pretre wrote:
Wow. I didn't realize guard PP were only 5 points. That's a nice catch. Gets me 2 PP, an extra CS with Plasma and an extra Seraphim model.

Yep Scions options are incredibly cheap because they're priced for regular guardsmen. Don't forget to pay the mandatory 1pts hotshot lasgun on the remaining 2 guys though.

Also quick math: it's worth advancing if it means your SB will be in half range (important for those BSS repressors). Finally if you can, pay a second SB on the repressors and inferno pistols on the seraphims

 RabbitMaster wrote:

 pretre wrote:
Wow. I didn't realize guard PP were only 5 points. That's a nice catch. Gets me 2 PP, an extra CS with Plasma and an extra Seraphim model.

Yep Scions options are incredibly cheap because they're priced for regular guardsmen. Don't forget to pay the mandatory 1pts hotshot lasgun on the remaining 2 guys though.

Also quick math: it's worth advancing if it means your SB will be in half range (important for those BSS repressors). Finally if you can, pay a second SB on the repressors and inferno pistols on the seraphims

Inferno pistols are just so expensive. :( I can probably get the extra SB for the vehicles though.


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Updated for RM's feedback.


10 CP at 2k

Battalion (+3 CP)
HQ - Tempestor with Command Rod - 40
HQ - Lord Commissar (BP/Power Sword) - 55

Ob-Sec Troop - 36 Conscripts - 108
Ob-Sec Troop - 5 Tempestus Scions with 2 Plasma and PP, 2 Hotshots - 66
Ob-Sec Troop - 5 Tempestus Scions with 2 Plasma and PP, 2 Hotshots - 66

Heavy - Manticore with HB - 133
Elite - 4 Tempestus Scions with 4 Plasma - 64

Battalion (+3 CP)
HQ - St Celestine & one Gemini - 200
HQ - Canoness with Power Maul/BP - 49

Fast - 5 Doms with 4 Melta, Sup with Chainsword/BP/CombiP - 133
DT - Repressor with HF/SB - 90
Fast - 5 Doms with 4 Melta, Sup with Chainsword/BP/CombiP - 133
DT - Repressor with HF/SB - 90
Fast - 8 Seraphim, Superior with BP/Power Sword - 92

Ob-Sec Troop - 5 BSS with 2 Storm Bolters, Sup with StormB/BP/Chainsword - 51
Ob-Sec Troop - 5 BSS with 2 Storm Bolters, Sup with StormB/BP/Chainsword - 51
DT - Repressor with HF/SBx2 - 92
Ob-Sec Troop - 5 BSS with 2 Storm Bolters, Sup with StormB/BP/Chainsword - 51
Ob-Sec Troop - 5 BSS with 2 Storm Bolters, Sup with StormB/BP/Chainsword - 51
DT - Repressor with HF/SBx2 - 92

Heavy - 5 Ret with 4 HB, Sup with Bolter/BP/Chainsword  - 85


Vanguard (+1 CP)
HQ - Tempestor with Command Rod - 40
Elite - 4 Tempestus Scions with 4 Plasma - 64
Elite - Eversor - 70
Elite - Culexus - 85


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On a side note, luckily I have a stack of Repentia chainswords from a trade that I can use to convert all of my superiors to have Chainswords.

You could remove the combi plasma from the doms and that useless powersword to pay the inferno pistols no ? It makes the seraphims more of a threat while not putting all your eggs in the dom basket.

I know the powersword is probably here for WYSIWYG reasons but still (personnaly I use a regular seraphim for the superior, i simply painted her guns gold to make her stand out in the squad)

So I read through all of the tactics thread today, slow day at work, and I'm impressed with how well sisters are right now.

So I was thinking of def adding St. C and a squad of retributors with HBs to my list of guard, seems like a bargain for 4 HBs that have a very good chance of shooting twice each turn.

Do you think I should keep them at min with the superior with a SB? Or go for like a squad of 8?

 RabbitMaster wrote:
You could remove the combi plasma from the doms and that useless powersword to pay the inferno pistols no ? It makes the seraphims more of a threat while not putting all your eggs in the dom basket.

I know the powersword is probably here for WYSIWYG reasons but still (personnaly I use a regular seraphim for the superior, i simply painted her guns gold to make her stand out in the squad)

Combis get me 30, power sword 4 and then I have to do some juggling.

10 CP at 2k

Battalion (+3 CP)
HQ - Tempestor with Command Rod - 40
HQ - Lord Commissar (BP/Power Sword) - 55

Ob-Sec Troop - 32 Conscripts - 96
Ob-Sec Troop - 5 Tempestus Scions with 2 Plasma and PP, 2 Hotshots - 66
Ob-Sec Troop - 5 Tempestus Scions with 2 Plasma and PP, 2 Hotshots - 66

Heavy - Manticore with HB - 133
Elite - 4 Tempestus Scions with 4 Plasma - 64

Battalion (+3 CP)
HQ - St Celestine & one Gemini - 200
HQ - Canoness with Power Maul/BP - 49

Fast - 5 Doms with 4 Melta, Sup with Chainsword/BP/Bolter - 118
DT - Repressor with HF/SB - 90
Fast - 5 Doms with 4 Melta, Sup with Chainsword/BP/Bolter - 118
DT - Repressor with HF/SB - 90
Fast - 7 Seraphim, 4 Inferno Pistols, Superior with Chainsword/BP - 125

Ob-Sec Troop - 5 BSS with 2 Storm Bolters, Sup with StormB/BP/Chainsword - 51
Ob-Sec Troop - 5 BSS with 2 Storm Bolters, Sup with StormB/BP/Chainsword - 51
DT - Repressor with HF/SBx2 - 92
Ob-Sec Troop - 5 BSS with 2 Storm Bolters, Sup with StormB/BP/Chainsword - 51
Ob-Sec Troop - 5 BSS with 2 Storm Bolters, Sup with StormB/BP/Chainsword - 51
DT - Repressor with HF/SB - 90

Heavy - 5 Ret with 4 HB, Sup with Bolter/BP/Chainsword  - 85


Vanguard (+1 CP)
HQ - Tempestor with Command Rod - 40
Elite - 4 Tempestus Scions with 4 Plasma - 64
Elite - Eversor - 70
Elite - Culexus - 85

 ChobitsCrazy wrote:
Do you think I should keep them at min with the superior with a SB? Or go for like a squad of 8?

That's entirely up to your preferences. Having more bodies means you'll lose firepower more slowly because the opponent needs to kill the bolter girls first before starting removing heavy bolters. However it's more expensive and those points could finance another unit and thus more firepower.

Both ways have pros and cons. Try them and see which one you prefer.


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 pretre wrote:

 RabbitMaster wrote:
You could remove the combi plasma from the doms and that useless powersword to pay the inferno pistols no ? It makes the seraphims more of a threat while not putting all your eggs in the dom basket.

I know the powersword is probably here for WYSIWYG reasons but still (personnaly I use a regular seraphim for the superior, i simply painted her guns gold to make her stand out in the squad)

Combis get me 30, power sword 4 and then I have to do some juggling.

10 CP at 2k

Battalion (+3 CP)
HQ - Tempestor with Command Rod - 40
HQ - Lord Commissar (BP/Power Sword) - 55

Ob-Sec Troop - 32 Conscripts - 96
Ob-Sec Troop - 5 Tempestus Scions with 2 Plasma and PP, 2 Hotshots - 66
Ob-Sec Troop - 5 Tempestus Scions with 2 Plasma and PP, 2 Hotshots - 66

Heavy - Manticore with HB - 133
Elite - 4 Tempestus Scions with 4 Plasma - 64

Battalion (+3 CP)
HQ - St Celestine & one Gemini - 200
HQ - Canoness with Power Maul/BP - 49

Fast - 5 Doms with 4 Melta, Sup with Chainsword/BP/Bolter - 118
DT - Repressor with HF/SB - 90
Fast - 5 Doms with 4 Melta, Sup with Chainsword/BP/Bolter - 118
DT - Repressor with HF/SB - 90
Fast - 7 Seraphim, 4 Inferno Pistols, Superior with Chainsword/Power Sword - 125

Ob-Sec Troop - 5 BSS with 2 Storm Bolters, Sup with StormB/BP/Chainsword - 51
Ob-Sec Troop - 5 BSS with 2 Storm Bolters, Sup with StormB/BP/Chainsword - 51
DT - Repressor with HF/SBx2 - 92
Ob-Sec Troop - 5 BSS with 2 Storm Bolters, Sup with StormB/BP/Chainsword - 51
Ob-Sec Troop - 5 BSS with 2 Storm Bolters, Sup with StormB/BP/Chainsword - 51
DT - Repressor with HF/SB - 90

Heavy - 5 Ret with 4 HB, Sup with Bolter/BP/Chainsword  - 85


Vanguard (+1 CP)
HQ - Tempestor with Command Rod - 40
Elite - 4 Tempestus Scions with 4 Plasma - 64
Elite - Eversor - 70
Elite - Culexus - 85

Looks good !

Just converted two inferno pistol seraphim from Heavy flamer sisters, BA inferno pistols and seraphim jetpacks. Yay.

I'm still not sure how ObSec will work here. Scions are in their own detachment, so they don't interfere with the ObSec on the BSS's. Right?
Seems weird that we are building lists that don't have exorcists or repentia or penitent engines.

 Anpu-adom wrote:
Seems weird that we are building lists that don't have exorcists or repentia or penitent engines.

Unfortunately, they didn't translate exorcists well.

Penitent Engines... I never used. Too "freakshow army" for me, heh.

 pretre wrote:
Just converted two inferno pistol seraphim from Heavy flamer sisters, BA inferno pistols and seraphim jetpacks. Yay.

Hah, that's a cool idea. Do you have any pictures? Those heavy weapon bodies are surprisingly versatile for conversions.

 Anpu-adom wrote:
I'm still not sure how ObSec will work here. Scions are in their own detachment, so they don't interfere with the ObSec on the BSS's. Right?
Seems weird that we are building lists that don't have exorcists or repentia or penitent engines.

Right, so the pure Guard detachment gets ob-sec because it is pure and the pure sister detachment gets obsec because it is pure. And yes, it feels weird not fielding exorcists.


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 Zefig wrote:

 pretre wrote:
Just converted two inferno pistol seraphim from Heavy flamer sisters, BA inferno pistols and seraphim jetpacks. Yay.

Hah, that's a cool idea. Do you have any pictures? Those heavy weapon bodies are surprisingly versatile for conversions.

Still need paint on the inferno arms and I need to repaint the chainsword for the sup to not be an eviscerator anymore (remove the blue). They are shorter than Seraphim, obviously, but I don't imagine that will be a problem. I was too lazy to light box them, but you get the idea.

 pretre wrote:

Spoiler:

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I may have to try this if I ever make a guns-akimbo canoness.

Since you've worked with one so recently, does the retributor model have wires going around her back depending on what weapon she usually comes with? I'm wondering how interchangeable the big guns are, to give the Sisters carrying them some variety.

 Captain Joystick wrote:

 pretre wrote:

Spoiler:

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I may have to try this if I ever make a guns-akimbo canoness.

Since you've worked with one so recently, does the retributor model have wires going around her back depending on what weapon she usually comes with? I'm wondering how interchangeable the big guns are, to give the Sisters carrying them some variety.

MM Heavies (Helmeted heavy) have a ammo/power feed.
HF Heavies (Gas Mask) have a gas feed.
HB Heavies (targeting eye) have an ammo box.

Very cool. That's got me wondering, I currently have 6 stormbolter sisters but maybe 5-6 unbuilt rets that I could put some gauntlets on, and I probably have 20 Terminator stormbolter arms from various starter kits. I might be able to make something good work out of that. The ret models could probably make for good, distinct Superiors with SBs if I use the normal SB sisters as normal SB sisters.

Or that might be worth taking a stab at modelling something up in CAD and printing.

 Zefig wrote:
Very cool. That's got me wondering, I currently have 6 stormbolter sisters but maybe 5-6 unbuilt rets that I could put some gauntlets on, and I probably have 20 Terminator stormbolter arms from various starter kits. I might be able to make something good work out of that. The ret models could probably make for good, distinct Superiors with SBs if I use the normal SB sisters as normal SB sisters.

Or that might be worth taking a stab at modelling something up in CAD and printing.

The hands will be a bit big for SOB, if they are termy, but you can easily get SB on Rets. If they're Superiors, make sure the other hand is a chainsword and get a holster on there for a BP.

edit: It's the same theory as the Melta sisters I made out of rets. One hand with special weapon for whatever and then other for either free hand or chainsword.

Conversions I do with my SoB army are:

For sister superiors (Have slightly different paint jobs to differentiate, apart from weapons):

The standard sister you get with the grenade in her mouth is prime for any combi-weap (just shave the top off the bolter and add in a combi part from the marine kit with green stuff and purity seals, if want a melee weapon like a power axe etc, just model it on the base (magnetised so can inter change or leave off). She just threw that weapon down to throw a grenade ). I convert up weapons that have a full handle etc for the base.

For storm bolters (I have a gak tonne standard tbh) but for some extra I just used some extra sister superior models with the bolter held out and the icon in other hand. Simply cut the bolter off and added a storm bolter (bitz buy from sternguard kits).

For Seraphim:
The twin inferno pistols: Like above I just bought a heap of inferno pistols (bitz buy) from the blood angels kit and chopped off the bolt pistols from normal seraphim and added them (think I cut a few off the twin flamers cause some have gas masks as well, been awhile). Looks good.
For superiors when I run with plasma pistol and chainsword, Just used the plasma pistol/chainsword normal BSS model, added a seraphim backpack and bent the feet down (I do all my seraphim with the clear flying stick onto a modeled base). Looks good.
For superior with plasma pistol and bolt pistol (is what I use, when take seraphim atm): just converted a normal seraphim by cutting a bolt pistol and adding a plasma pistol from vanguard set, different paint job.

If want wings instead of normal backpack for seraphim, can use blood angels sanguinary guard, swooping hawks or scourges are easy ways.

For repressors:
I use Cities of Death terrain pieces mixed with immolator pieces and MKIIC Rhino Dozer blade on front from forge world.

Think everything else I just bought the standard models (and added in some purity seals etc). I don't buy much any more have a pretty big sob army. However, I did strip some stuff and converted some just for this edition so thought would share some tips to save money.

Spectral Ceramite wrote:
For storm bolters (I have a gak tonne standard tbh) but for some extra I just used some extra sister superior models with the bolter held out and the icon in other hand. Simply cut the bolter off and added a storm bolter (bitz buy from sternguard kits).

These make GREAT Superior with SB conversions since they have a holstered pistol and a sword in scabbard. It's hard to find a SB/BP/Chainsword otherwise.

The twin inferno pistols: Like above I just bought a heap of inferno pistols (bitz buy) from the blood angels kit and chopped off the bolt pistols from normal seraphim and added them (think I cut a few off the twin flamers cause some have gas masks as well, been awhile). Looks good.

I was going to do this but didn't want to chop off my seraphim.

If want wings instead of normal backpack for seraphim, can use blood angels sanguinary guard, swooping hawks or scourges are easy ways.

Mine are a conversion of Seraphim backpacks and the old metal swooping hawk wings. I bought a metric ton when you could still order bits by weight from GW.

Depends how many seraphim you have from your old conversions I suppose. I never really liked them (still on the fence, only thing they have is cheap for movement, can screen Cel (With a faith), can harass to an extent, possible double shot if enemy crazy espec when run with some twin inferno... etc. I did buy some more recently and did some superior conversions (think have 40 or so now + all my Superiors) just in case...

Not to you but to people reading about the conversions I mentioned when i say cut off I mean cut off the marine hand... you don't want them to look like monkey hands i.e. with massive hands )

I've a thought on the issue of anti-tank:

While Katherine takes a Shadowsword, I was thinking of having my sort of ill-led Crusade getting its hands on a Valdor Tank Hunter. Would it be plausible for a Valdor Tank Hunter to be crewed by militia types? It's age and whatnot makes me think it is plausible that there would be one lying around...

 Unit1126PLL wrote:
I've a thought on the issue of anti-tank:

While Katherine takes a Shadowsword, I was thinking of having my sort of ill-led Crusade getting its hands on a Valdor Tank Hunter. Would it be plausible for a Valdor Tank Hunter to be crewed by militia types? It's age and whatnot makes me think it is plausible that there would be one lying around...

I always use the Inquisition as my excuse. My MilTemp are inquisitorial ST, my manticore is seconded to the inquisition, my dev cents were inquisitorial. Pretty much, if I ally it with my SOB, it was probably seconded to the inquisition. It's amazing what a Hereticus Inquisitor Lord can get his hands on with his seal.

I prefer to keep my Sisters separate, but there's nothing wrong with having a "crusade" army of a regiment led by (de facto, if not de jure) a canoness and fighting alongside her sisters.