Death Guard + Nurgle Daemons [News: Dec 30 - Jan 2018 WD with the new models]

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**nfe**

I think it's ugly. Not good ugly like the the FW GUO. Just too busy with silly wings. That said I'm not that keen on playing supercharacters - a hangover from the no special characters rule of most tournaments when I was first playing in 2E I guess, so I'm kinda glad I'm not desperate to use it!

**Zognob Gorgoff**

I think the model is great I don't worry about purple this n that, GW paints there models so they contrast well for photos and marketing. Ever tryied photoing a heavily grimy weather model it hard to make it not look dull and it obscures the kit. They also choose officials paint schemes to go along with there paint by numbers way of doing the schemes at home so anyone can have a go. You can't do that when you used a batch of different products weathering up a model, some of which gw don't make because not all products are child friendly/safe to use as there products are. Let's be fair about it not run of the handle after one blurry photo. Personnly I convert a high proportion of my models just because it's fun. But currently I can't see anything I'd overly like to change, maybe the hanging bits, thin them out and the slime in his respirator thin that out, add more nicks and tears to the fabric n armour. Probably go cream n green on armour with black robes and a lot of rust/grime/filthrunning down over the details.

**Mad Doc Grotsnik**

Tiberius501 wrote:
I don't think it's too messy, I can see exactly what's going on. He has a hood and a mask, shoulder pads with the Nurgle logo and horns on, some pipes going from his chest to around his sides, a cloth robe on and some disease filled sensors hanging off of him.

I think the over exposure of the photo of a photo that's been photoshopped to be bright is giving off the wrong impression. While I'd paint him differently, the colours do compliment, though are possibly the reason he's looking a bit too busy. With a little less contrast in some places and a different colour choice for the robe/hood (I'd go dirty white), and seeing him in person, he'd look utterly beast, imo.

Everyone will have different opinions on what colours they want to paint him, but that's one of the main points of this hobby. GW are going with the purple because it's a main complimentary colour for green, so it picks out the detail and contrasts well. We don't have to paint it that way, it's just for photos. Please don't fight and cause the thread to be locked, I like this thread.

Also, by the looks of the old weird Russian leaked images, it looks like he can be built in a slightly different pose, with the arm currently holding the scythe pointing his pistol and the other arm holding the scythe down. I'd probably go with that pose if it's possible

I'd also say the photo composition isn't great. The background clashes, and the foreground features more of the same colour scheme. Makes it tricky to see where Mortarion ends, and his son's begin.

**fox-light713**

Here's a side by side (forge world image and other user edited image)

**soulforged**

fox-light713 wrote:
Here's a side by side (forge world image and other user edited image)

It looks like God mode of Saint Seiya.

**CragHack**

IMO, FW, as usual, looks sooo much better.

**daemonish**

fox-light713 wrote:
Here's a side by side (forge world image and other user edited image)

The FW one is far superior, the new one is just too busy. It may just be the paint scheme but it just doesn't look good.

**Gibs55**

Us the FW one everytime

**Quarterdime**

Looks like next month's issue of White Dwarf.

Teased in March, released in September

**darthryan**

Personaly i love the model i think he looks great and im just hoping his rules are up to standard. I expect he will either be
1. Terrible
Or
2.way over priced (cash and points)
Or as he is chaos possibly both

**Messiah**

The side by side actually sells the new model more for me. The FW Mortarion is undynamic and dull, like most of their primarch models. I really don't like the new Mortarion either though. I need to see more angles and a better paint job first.

**Tiberius501**

darthryan wrote:
Personaly i love the model i think he looks great and im just hoping his rules are up to standard. I expect he will either be
1. Terrible
Or
2.way over priced (cash and points)
Or as he is chaos possibly both

I have a bad feeling that he'll be terrible because he'll be overcosted. People complain about the current primarchs being too cheap, points wise (rightly so) and I'm willing to bet that Mortarion will be the time they start balancing the points and make him too expensive. His stats will probably be pretty beastly though

**Ruin**

eosgreen wrote:
so annoying seeing bad painters say a paint job doesn't do the model justice.

A - we cant really see the detail
B - they don't put in 400 hours to these models
C - you don't have any idea what constitutes a good paint job
D - nurgle is virtually impossible to paint well without tons and tons of time put into it refer to david soper if you need to see what good nurgle looks like and then understand he spends 100s of hours

Ah that old chestnut. Tell me, do you have to eat dog gak to know it tastes bad?

**Quarterdime**

As usual, GW is having trouble painting Nurgle because the professionals can't make something dark and gloomy-looking like Nurgle miniatures should be, at least in my opinion. Look at those bright and happy colors. As far as the design of the miniature goes, what's up with how clean the cloth elements look? I don't see holes or tatters anywhere... I also think Mortarion would have looked way better with feathered wings. Also, as far as the silhouette goes, there's this weird sort of speaker thing with a spike and two little tiny sensors on it sticking up from his back that makes him look too busy, while it may just be the way he's positioned, but I think he looks a little wider than he should. Also, I didn't expect a daemon primarch to have a pistol, it feels a little banal for a daemon primarch. Then again, he looks about the same size as guilliman so maybe he needs it. Daemon Primarch of Nurgle, now with plasma pistols!

Overall I rate the mini 8/10, it's well made but not very evocative.

**BlaxicanX**

eosgreen wrote:
So you don't like the "paint job" is that really what it is? What specifically.

Mortarion was the Primarch of the least ostentatious legion and has historically rocked a muted pallet. The color pallet this dude went with looks like ass and makes the daemon primarch look like a deflated nerf ball that was dipped in dog vomit.

I'm very good at being specific, inquire for more. And post pictures of your work while you're at it. I'm curious to see what a presumably non-bad painter's magnum opus looks like.

**AndrewGPaul**

I'll wait until the proper pics are available. This is a badly-exposed photo of a picture with unusual lighting effects.

As it happens, I hated the Forge World Mortarion model based on the photos. It was only when I saw it in person that the pose made more sense.

**Enginseer Kalashnikov**

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**JSG**

Ruin wrote:
eosgreen wrote:
so annoying seeing bad painters say a paint job doesn't do the model justice.

A - we cant really see the detail
B - they don't put in 400 hours to these models
C - you don't have any idea what constitutes a good paint job
D - nurgle is virtually impossible to paint well without tons and tons of time put into it refer to david soper if you need to see what good nurgle looks like and then understand he spends 100s of hours

Ah that old chestnut. Tell me, do you have to eat dog gak to know it tastes bad?

To know that it tastes bad? Yeah, you would.

**Quarterdime**

JSG wrote:
Ruin wrote:
eosgreen wrote:
so annoying seeing bad painters say a paint job doesn't do the model justice.

A - we cant really see the detail
B - they don't put in 400 hours to these models
C - you don't have any idea what constitutes a good paint job
D - nurgle is virtually impossible to paint well without tons and tons of time put into it refer to david soper if you need to see what good nurgle looks like and then understand he spends 100s of hours

Ah that old chestnut. Tell me, do you have to eat dog gak to know it tastes bad?

To know that it tastes bad? Yeah, you would.

...You're being deliberately dense.

**endlesswaltz123**

The only thing I'd change is the wings. I think the more bare, skeletal and feathers style teased in some art would suit rather thatn the long strips of skin with a few holes pumped into it. The rest, whilst I prefer the art of him being thin and decaying, sort of like the boogy man grim reaper, I can get over that.

**Tiberius501**

Guys, can we keep the angry messages about what makes a good painting as PMs please? Don't want this thread to get locked

**H.B.M.C.**

I just thought he'd be more robed and less... everything else.

**silverstu**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
I just thought he'd be more robed and less... everything else.

Why do I now have an image of Mortarion in robes and a bikini...

**Sim-Life**

Tiberius501 wrote:
Guys, can we keep the angry messages about what makes a good painting as PMs please? Don't want this thread to get locked

Aww, but I want to know what he has to say.

**NoggintheNog**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
I just thought he'd be more robed and less... everything else.

I do agree, but I also think that a more cohesive colour scheme could reduce the 'lots of stuff going on' effect as well. Each element in a different colour deliberatly shows how much stuff is on there, and I get why they do it that way, but from experience with the forgeworld one, the actual sculpt has a lot of details, yet painted as it is looks a very simple model.

I have started my DI death guard using bone as a base colour and built up with secret weapon baby poop wash and green inks to create a dirty off white with a hint of green slime and goop kind of look. Nurgle just does not work with a clean style and edge highlights.

If anything, the marketing people have it wrong with Nurgle, the clear and precise style really does them no favours.

**Joyboozer**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
I just thought he'd be more robed and less... everything else.

Less CAD?

**JSG**

Quarterdime wrote:
JSG wrote:
Ruin wrote:
eosgreen wrote:
so annoying seeing bad painters say a paint job doesn't do the model justice.

A - we cant really see the detail
B - they don't put in 400 hours to these models
C - you don't have any idea what constitutes a good paint job
D - nurgle is virtually impossible to paint well without tons and tons of time put into it refer to david soper if you need to see what good nurgle looks like and then understand he spends 100s of hours

Ah that old chestnut. Tell me, do you have to eat dog gak to know it tastes bad?

To know that it tastes bad? Yeah, you would.

...You're being deliberately dense.

Just specific.

**Formosa**

Ruin wrote:
eosgreen wrote:
so annoying seeing bad painters say a paint job doesn't do the model justice.

A - we cant really see the detail
B - they don't put in 400 hours to these models
C - you don't have any idea what constitutes a good paint job
D - nurgle is virtually impossible to paint well without tons and tons of time put into it refer to david soper if you need to see what good nurgle looks like and then understand he spends 100s of hours

Ah that old chestnut. Tell me, do you have to eat dog gak to know it tastes bad?

Lol ok, yep you don't need to eat crap to know it tastes crap and to the op.

I'm a very good painter, soooo

A: I can see enough detail
B: I don't need to put 400 hours into a single mini to make it look like this
C: yep, yep I do
D: nurgle is not virtually impossible to paint without putting loads of time in, its one of the easier ones to paint compared to say, imperial fists, if you want them to look good that is.

So with all that out the way, it's a bad looking model and far too busy on the eye, the paint job isn't great, but I'm not complaining about that, it's just what gw wants deathfuard to look like, always found the muted nurgle scheme boring.

**eosgreen**

Formosa wrote:
Ruin wrote:
eosgreen wrote:
so annoying seeing bad painters say a paint job doesn't do the model justice.

A - we cant really see the detail
B - they don't put in 400 hours to these models
C - you don't have any idea what constitutes a good paint job
D - nurgle is virtually impossible to paint well without tons and tons of time put into it refer to david soper if you need to see what good nurgle looks like and then understand he spends 100s of hours

Ah that old chestnut. Tell me, do you have to eat dog gak to know it tastes bad?

Lol ok, yep you don't need to eat crap to know it tastes crap and to the op.

I'm a very good painter, soooo

A: I can see enough detail
B: I don't need to put 400 hours into a single mini to make it look like this
C: yep, yep I do
D: nurgle is not virtually impossible to paint without putting loads of time in, its one of the easier ones to paint compared to say, imperial fists, if you want them to look good that is.

So with all that out the way, it's a bad looking model and far too busy on the eye, the paint job isn't great, but I'm not complaining about that, it's just what gw wants deathfuard to look like, always found the muted nurgle scheme boring.

you are not a good painter lol at all. delusional. you are dead wrong also you didnt even address waht i said. I said nurgle is not the type of model that you can "edge highlight". I can paint those new primaris in 10mins and they will look insane. models with lots of skin and lots of diff color detail like this requires lots of glazing. Glazing = time. You can see detail on this model? the pic is garbage rofl. You cant see a single meaningful thing in that pic rofl. unreal man. I feel like mini wargaming nerds are like the far left or far right of politics. Outright insane

Your gallery doesn't even have a single mode that has good glazing/painting what would you know.

If topic gets locked thats fine I'm just sick of people ill equip to judge passing judgement

**FudgeDumper**

Looks very 80s. I can imagine in 20 years we'll be looking back at this model, fond memories clouding the silly parts, like today we look back to the bright red skinned dragon ogres, neon blue ultramarines and other rainbow palettes of GWs beginnings.

However there are some things that cant be overlocked even by nostalgia. The Scythe head is ridiculously oversized and would break of in an instant if the weapon was used for anything else spare back scratching. And the pose lacks purpose, it looks like Mortarion is raising his shoulders towards the sculptors themselves asking "what now?"

PS: I really like the wings, they are unlike any GW has done before. They are not fly wings, but moth wings. They even have hair on them. Very heavy, daemonic and leathery.