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The only way I'd consider buying that kit is if there is a completely non-horned/tentacled options for the marines. I seriously doubt that will be the case. That piece of art is pretty awful as well.

 Elbows wrote:
That piece of art is pretty awful as well.

Man people's standards for art are high these days...

Lol wow some hot takes going on in this thread.

 NinthMusketeer wrote:

 Elbows wrote:
That piece of art is pretty awful as well.

Man people's standards for art are high these days...

Yeah haha. I really like it, personally. I think the artist has done a really good job at portraying the new DG

I think it looks great. I hope ol' Morty doesn't feature in every picture, 'cause that would be odd if he's always there like some ever-present foetid angel of death.

 NinthMusketeer wrote:

 Elbows wrote:
That piece of art is pretty awful as well.

Man people's standards for art are high these days...

Yeah, it Isn't Karl Kopinski art, but is in the medium-high quality scale.

are all those his intestines or meaty/warp(y) cables?

 aracersss wrote:
are all those his intestines or meaty/warp(y) cables?

I'd assume both.

 Elbows wrote:
The only way I'd consider buying that kit is if there is a completely non-horned/tentacled options for the marines. I seriously doubt that will be the case. That piece of art is pretty awful as well.

Lucky for you, they sell Cataphractii and Mk3 Marine kits, then?

Qlanth wrote:
Not sure if this has been posted? Just saw it pop up in the Death Guard fb group. Supposedly it's leaked art from the codex.

Death Guard https://imgur.com/gallery/2Rf4L

Thanks, Qlanth!

SilverAlien wrote:
So I assume nothing on the WD preview? Ah well. Looks like it'll be Sunday at the earliest.

Unfortunately no, and it has a very brief item description this time too. We will have to wait a few more days for info I guess

 NinthMusketeer wrote:

 Elbows wrote:
That piece of art is pretty awful as well.

Man people's standards for art are high these days...

I'm sorry but this severely pisses me off. This lack of understanding of what makes a piece of art good is why any artistical profession cant be taken seriously these days. Everyone is just a yes man.

The guy who made that piece of crap art has destroyed books ever since the hardback ogre kingdoms book. He is getting better, but he still has no clue about composition, mood, depth, lighting or anatomy. That's why his art appears soulless. I know, I have been in his position. My art from 10 years ago looks exactly like his.

If you look back at the art from the 80s-90s, sure alot of it sucked too, in a blanche way. It might have had horrible proportions but it still had soul. Its so obvious the art coming from this new guy is made by a novice.

I don't have any skills in this world, but I do know art and I take it very seriously. The day you can get a high position in the art industry drawing stick figures is the day art is dead.

ugh. can we possibly just do without the art hipstering?

...I know it's probably going to be about a week until we next get some major new deathguard news, but that doesn't mean we have to keep the thread flowing with pointless negativity in the meantime...

I'm more curious what the heck kind of modifier is "soul" to artwork. It sounds like how something needs more "Pep, Pizzaz, needs to pop".

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:
I'm more curious what the heck kind of modifier is "soul" to artwork.

+D3, from what I remember. Pretty useful against certain opponents.

"Soul" is a completely meaningless concept when it comes to art. Art isn't alive therefore it can have no soul. Ergo, when someone talks about "soul" in art, it could mean pretty much anything depending on the individual who is speaking. Whether a piece of art has soul or not then always comes down to a subjective 'do I like this artwork or not?'.

 Elbows wrote:
The only way I'd consider buying that kit is if there is a completely non-horned/tentacled options for the marines. I seriously doubt that will be the case. That piece of art is pretty awful as well.

Well, lucky you then. The Space Marine and HH ranges offer loads of non-horned/tentacled options for marines.

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:
I'm more curious what the heck kind of modifier is "soul" to artwork. It sounds like how something needs more "Pep, Pizzaz, needs to pop".

It pretty much is exactly what a human soul is just on a smaller scale, an illusion of depth accomplished by complexity, which is actually the complete oposite of the traditional meaning. His art needs a more concrete technical approach.

Don't be afraid of negativity or soon we will have kindergarten finger paintings in our books.

 Iron_Captain wrote:
"Soul" is a completely meaningless concept when it comes to art. Art isn't alive therefore it can have no soul. Ergo, when someone talks about "soul" in art, it could mean pretty much anything depending on the individual who is speaking. Whether a piece of art has soul or not then always comes down to a subjective 'do I like this artwork or not?'.

Sorry, but I've got to disagree with you here. A piece of art can be technically well executed, but be completely devoid of any feeling of atmosphere, movement, weight, emotion etc. That's true of most of the digital fantasy and sci fi art I see online. Conversely, another artist can be not the greatest technically, but just ooze emotion and atmosphere. But, like you said, whether you like a particular piece is subjective. That does not equate to something you like being therefore better than something you don't. To use a food analogy, I love cheese on toast but I can't stand shellfish. I'm not going to claim however, that my cheese on toast is in anyway (even subjectively) better than the food produced by the finest seafood chefs.

Unfortunately, most GW art is neither technically well executed, or full of feeling. It feels like an exercise in filling space on a page. Perhaps GW think that, like small children, we can't read a page of a book that doesn't have a picture on it? Literally every time I've bought a GW codex I've been immediately struck with buyers' remorse as I flick through page after page of artistic mediocrity. The new space marine codex being the last example. Having bought that, I'm not rushing to buy anything else until they have a change in policy.

It's not that all GW artists are bad. Paul Dainton springs to mind as one of their best. I'd rather spend money on a codex that has just a few of his pieces than know that my limited hobby money is funding pages and pages of bland, mediocrity that just screams"knocked out to a tight deadline".

So, I'm very much looking forward to the Dead Guard models. I won't be buying the codex though.

 Iron_Captain wrote:
"Soul" is a completely meaningless concept when it comes to art. Art isn't alive therefore it can have no soul. Ergo, when someone talks about "soul" in art, it could mean pretty much anything depending on the individual who is speaking. Whether a piece of art has soul or not then always comes down to a subjective 'do I like this artwork or not?'.

 Elbows wrote:
The only way I'd consider buying that kit is if there is a completely non-horned/tentacled options for the marines. I seriously doubt that will be the case. That piece of art is pretty awful as well.

Well, lucky you then. The Space Marine and HH ranges offer loads of non-horned/tentacled options for marines.

I have an entire CSM army made of HH models, so, yes. We were discussing the likelihood of buying the new product.

Today in The News: people disagree on what constitutes good art. What fun.

nfe wrote:
Today in The News: people disagree on what constitutes good art. What fun.

Tell you what then, I'll go a step further. I'll say that, whether you think the art is good or bad or mediocre, most GW art is utterly pointless. Most of it is a digital painting of the actual miniatures. It provides no context, it gives no insight into these people's lives and how they live or operate. In short, it adds nothings to my understanding of the 40k universe, beyond what the models look like. I know what the models look like. I can tell what the models look like by looking at the actual models. I don't need a painting to help.

We've cover this tangent quite well by now, so let's get back on topic now, please.

Thanks all

 MonkeyBallistic wrote:

nfe wrote:
Today in The News: people disagree on what constitutes good art. What fun.

Tell you what then, I'll go a step further. I'll say that, whether you think the art is good or bad or mediocre, most GW art is utterly pointless. Most of it is a digital painting of the actual miniatures. It provides no context, it gives no insight into these people's lives and how they live or operate. In short, it adds nothings to my understanding of the 40k universe, beyond what the models look like. I know what the models look like. I can tell what the models look like by looking at the actual models. I don't need a painting to help.

Good job getting back on topic, there.

You could start a whole thread about the quality of GW art. You'd get loads of conversation. It might actually be quite interesting - whether people think naff 80s metal cover-esque art has nostaligic charm very in keeping with the history of the hobby or whether it's just rubbish. Whether the modern era's heavily digitised and computer-game-influenced versions of that style are better or worse or just the same etc. Alas, that thread isn't this one.

FudgeDumper wrote:

 NinthMusketeer wrote:

 Elbows wrote:
That piece of art is pretty awful as well.

Man people's standards for art are high these days...

I'm sorry but this severely pisses me off. This lack of understanding of what makes a piece of art good is why any artistical profession cant be taken seriously these days. Everyone is just a yes man.

The guy who made that piece of crap art has destroyed books ever since the hardback ogre kingdoms book. He is getting better, but he still has no clue about composition, mood, depth, lighting or anatomy. That's why his art appears soulless. I know, I have been in his position. My art from 10 years ago looks exactly like his.

If you look back at the art from the 80s-90s, sure alot of it sucked too, in a blanche way. It might have had horrible proportions but it still had soul. Its so obvious the art coming from this new guy is made by a novice.

I don't have any skills in this world, but I do know art and I take it very seriously. The day you can get a high position in the art industry drawing stick figures is the day art is dead.

Let's see your stuff then if it's full of soul.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

FudgeDumper wrote:

 NinthMusketeer wrote:

 Elbows wrote:
That piece of art is pretty awful as well.

Man people's standards for art are high these days...

I'm sorry but this severely pisses me off. This lack of understanding of what makes a piece of art good is why any artistical profession cant be taken seriously these days. Everyone is just a yes man.

The guy who made that piece of crap art has destroyed books ever since the hardback ogre kingdoms book. He is getting better, but he still has no clue about composition, mood, depth, lighting or anatomy. That's why his art appears soulless. I know, I have been in his position. My art from 10 years ago looks exactly like his.

If you look back at the art from the 80s-90s, sure alot of it sucked too, in a blanche way. It might have had horrible proportions but it still had soul. Its so obvious the art coming from this new guy is made by a novice.

I don't have any skills in this world, but I do know art and I take it very seriously. The day you can get a high position in the art industry drawing stick figures is the day art is dead.

Let's see your stuff then if it's full of soul.

And now we stop

Is this a Nurgle release thread or an artistic preferences pissing match?

 Nostromodamus wrote:
Is this a Nurgle release thread or an artistic preferences pissing match?

Well it's Dakka: any thread wouldn't be complete without at least one pissing contest.

 RiTides wrote:
We've cover this tangent quite well by now, so let's get back on topic now, please.

Thanks all

ahem

ta.

There is a preview of the new white dwarf on the community site. No pics but confirmation that Mortarion,at least, will be in it.

Its not DG specifically, but there is a new AoS box GW just put on their site that has a new nurgle beast of some kind. Looks a lot like the multi-legged thing in the DI art so DG will probably get a version of it.

You're days late dude, and no, it's a daemon beast so DG won't likely see it. Perhaps when daemons get updated it'll make it to 40K, maybe it'll get its own data sheet before, but there's no reason to expect it in DG any more than to expect Screamers in the 1K Sons book.