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I rearlly would like to know if the rules allow that i can equip my normal DG terminators with dual power claw as well as bolter and chanfist (each option 5 times)

rtb02 wrote:
Any pics of the rumoured beast?

Hoping the deathshroud aren't too monopose as 2 boxes will look to similar on the battlefield...

Very cool! Thank you!

 Paintalist wrote:
I rearlly would like to know if the rules allow that i can equip my normal DG terminators with dual power claw as well as bolter and chanfist (each option 5 times)

NO.

So...... they've invalidated the squads of anyone who owns these:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
So...... they've invalidated the squads of anyone who owns these:

Spoiler:

I'm pretty sure there's some plague weapon that's pretty much a powerfist (x2 strength, high ap and damage) in all but name. I'd have no problem with you running these models and using counts as weapons.

The Great Plague Cleaver is pretty much x2 -3 D6 -1 to hit.

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:
The Great Plague Cleaver is pretty much x2 -3 D6 -1 to hit.

That's the badger. I don't think we were ever going to get a choice between power fist and plaguey power fist (cleaver) in the book, and fair enough they wanted to model it differently. So counts as is the way to go I think.

Can Blightlords even take the Great Plague Cleaver? I didn't think they could, which if so means that you're going to have to count fists as axes/swords etc. Bit of a pain.

Blightlords are all armed with combi bolter and balesword or bubotic axe.

You can replace combi bolter for any combi weapon

Every 5 you can take 1 plague spewer, reaper autocannon, or blight launcher.

Every 5 one can replace combi and sword/axe with flail of corruption

that's all the options

Thanks for clearing that up.

I wonder how many combi-weapons come in the box - I suppose 5x of a single type would be too much to ask.

Does anyone know if the daemon prince can take wings?

str00dles1 wrote:
Blightlords are all armed with combi bolter and balesword or bubotic axe.

You can replace combi bolter for any combi weapon

Every 5 you can take 1 plague spewer, reaper autocannon, or blight launcher.

Every 5 one can replace combi and sword/axe with flail of corruption

that's all the options

Thanks friend. I guess that works. I can make my grave wardens with axes and combi-bolters pretty easily.

 Marshal Loss wrote:
Thanks for clearing that up.

I wonder how many combi-weapons come in the box - I suppose 5x of a single type would be too much to ask.

Yea that's crazy talk It will be like the other boxes which are usually 1 of each and that's it! Best bet is to get the bits on shapeways or other 3rd party sites


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 jamesterjlrb wrote:
Does anyone know if the daemon prince can take wings?

Yes, but you will need to use the CSM book/Index for the cost to add wings. His profile says he can, but it doesent show its point cost. Will be FAQed

 jamesterjlrb wrote:
Does anyone know if the daemon prince can take wings?

Datasheet says yes for 1PL. Doesn't feature in the wargear points list. So until the first FAQ, it can for zero points!

I'm going to play it and pay as per the CSM list. Presumably the FAQ will be very fast and hopefully it'll say that the error is in the points list, and not on the datasheet...

nfe wrote:

 jamesterjlrb wrote:
Does anyone know if the daemon prince can take wings?

Datasheet says yes for 1PL. Doesn't feature in the wargear points list. So until the first FAQ, it can for zero points!

I'm going to play it and pay as per the CSM list. Presumably the FAQ will be very fast and hopefully it'll say that the error is in the points list, and not on the datasheet...

I guess I'm asking because considering models, while the old failcast one is much nicer than the plastic kit, I suspect running without wings will be a bad plan, so plastic it is for the moment.

 jamesterjlrb wrote:

nfe wrote:

 jamesterjlrb wrote:
Does anyone know if the daemon prince can take wings?

Datasheet says yes for 1PL. Doesn't feature in the wargear points list. So until the first FAQ, it can for zero points!

I'm going to play it and pay as per the CSM list. Presumably the FAQ will be very fast and hopefully it'll say that the error is in the points list, and not on the datasheet...

I guess I'm asking because considering models, while the old failcast one is much nicer than the plastic kit, I suspect running without wings will be a bad plan, so plastic it is for the moment.

I've only recently started converting a FW Mortarion with a pair of absolutely-massive-so-you-definitely-can't-pretend-they're-not-there wings so I'm going to be in a right old huff if he can't be Death Guard and has to come along as part of a CSM Supreme Command/Vanguard

So, am I the only one who wants to take a big unit of 14 plague marines marching behind a horde of pox walkers, making the unit of plague marines invisible with the stratagem and then using the grenade guy+the stratagem to let the entire unit lob grenades+the spell to make Plague weapons +1 to wound+Veterans of the Long War to make them mortal wound on a 4+ for a devistatingly inane volley of grenades? 3 command points but worth it?

EDIT: As this'll be mainly a 1 turn thing, perhaps adding the other grenade guy into it would be hilarious, as he could then make the volley of grenades 2d6 per dude for that turn.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
So...... they've invalidated the squads of anyone who owns these:

Just use them as Chaos Terminators with the Mark of Nurgle?

Why? There is no reason to take mark of nurgle if you aren't also deathguard with +1t and DR. Congrats on gaining a keyword!

Because then they can be affected by nurgle key-worded abilities.

granted there few and far between for just <Nurgle>.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
So...... they've invalidated the squads of anyone who owns these:

I guess the real joke is on me; I spent months converting my DG Obliterators and Mutilators

 Malika2 wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
So...... they've invalidated the squads of anyone who owns these:

Just use them as Chaos Terminators with the Mark of Nurgle?

Man, this approach really pisses me off.

'DUR HURR JUST USE THEM AS X'.

Um. No. They've been Death Guard Terminators for the past 4 editions. They're painted up in my army's colour scheme. They're modelled appropriately too.

And now they suddenly...aren't Death Guard? What?

It means I'm going to have to do a lot of rigging about which is a bastard with the squads as they are.

One squad

- 2 Power Axe/Combi- bolters - fine, I guess?
- 1 combi-flamer/ icon - I suppose the icon can count as about anything so fine.
- 1 Chainfist/combi- flamer
- 1 Power Fist/Heavy Flamer

I suppose if I count the fists as Swords?

Second Squad (in a bone scheme)

1 Power Axe/Combi Bolter - Fine
3 Power Fist/Combi-bolters - uh....
1 Reaper/Power Fist - Uh........

Third Squad

1 Power Sword/combi bolter - Fine
1 Lightning Claw/combi-bolter - Uh....count as a sword?
2 Lightning Claw pairs - Ummmmm....
1 Reaper/Chainfist - Uh......

Well. This is fun. I have to ramshackle something for this weekend out of them. And no, just using a keyword isn't okay. Because that'll require a whole OTHER detachment to field sub-par Terminators. This is what I was fearing...going to be a lot of counts as I guess.

Sharazad87 wrote:
Because then they can be affected by nurgle key-worded abilities.

granted there few and far between for just <Nurgle>.

Might as well just use slaanesh then and get useful strategems since they won't be death guard. It's really stupid they cant simply be deathguard but gotta sell those new boxes and screw older players!

 DarkStarSabre wrote:

 Malika2 wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
So...... they've invalidated the squads of anyone who owns these:

Just use them as Chaos Terminators with the Mark of Nurgle?

Man, this approach really pisses me off.

If I were in your shoes, I'd be pissed too. Between that and making the new marines huge, I'm annoyed myself. I only lost 3 Nurgle Bikers, but they were really cool and heavily converted.

 Virules wrote:
I guess the real joke is on me; I spent months converting my DG Obliterators and Mutilators

Spoiler:

That really sucks. We all knew we'd be losing stuff when we got our new full army status, but seeing models like that makes it worse.

Maybe they will get power fists so at least those can be your heavy weapon terminators.




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 Shrapnelsmile wrote:
If I were in your shoes, I'd be pissed too. Between that and making the new marines huge, I'm annoyed myself. I only lost 3 Nurgle Bikers, but they were really cool and heavily converted.

I'm kinda sad I can't use bits of my collection, but I can't imagine how it is for people who put a ton of work into their models. I've never been big in the converting and painting side of the hobby, so most of mine still work as other armies albeit with a fairly obvious DG paint job, but for models that have had so much time invested to fit into an army theme to no longer be usable... bleh. It's not fun.

SilverAlien wrote:

 Virules wrote:
I guess the real joke is on me; I spent months converting my DG Obliterators and Mutilators

Spoiler:

That really sucks. We all knew we'd be losing stuff when we got our new full army status, but seeing models like that makes it worse.

Maybe they will get power fists so at least those can be your heavy weapon terminators.

Yeah, the heavy weapon guys could be Blightlord termies with blight launchers or reaper auto cannons and swords, and the Mutilators could pass as Deathshrouds.

SilverAlien wrote:

 Virules wrote:
I guess the real joke is on me; I spent months converting my DG Obliterators and Mutilators

Spoiler:

That really sucks. We all knew we'd be losing stuff when we got our new full army status, but seeing models like that makes it worse.

Maybe they will get power fists so at least those can be your heavy weapon terminators.

If you think losing those conversions sucks for me...

 Marshal Loss wrote:

 Leth wrote:

Qlanth wrote:

 Leth wrote:
I really like the deathshroud terminators but I cant justify the purchase unless we can get a body without the tongue sticking out.

This is a rather strange breaking point lol. Why not just clip it off?

Its the mouth as well breaking up the model I just said tongue to highlight the model I dont like. I cant justify spending 25 bucks on a model I know I wont like probably have to see about getting a body from a bits seller if I do end up getting the kit.

If you're talking about this, there are at least two torso options for the champion, so you need not worry.

Spoiler:

My wallet hates you but I thank you for the info!!

Yeah it sucks certain things that are army specific will be invalidated if you want to maximize access to the rules. Luckily you can still take the models in your army!

For the Deathshroud terminators it is going to be important to be careful with placement since it says any character in range they roll, not MAY roll, they have to roll.