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 Albertorius wrote:

 Papa-Schlumpf wrote:

 Albertorius wrote:


...ok, wow. That just feels ridiculously oversized to me. That's actually bigger than a primaris, isn't it. Could someone compare it with a primaris in gravis armor?

So they have the Gal Vorbak size. Fitting for the chaos chosen. But you can´t mix their squads with older (=smaller) models.

Has somebody clues on the prices of the drone and the crawler? The elites will surely go for the same as the foul blightspawn.

Gal Vorbak are a head and a half taller than terminators? I had no idea that was the case... still, aren't Gal Vorbak Posessed?

You are correct, they are Posessed and also come close to some Primarchs in size.

@Warhams-77: Can´t wait for the price tags. Will the set sizes also be mentioned? Maybe the drones come in sets of 3.

If they can't be taken in squadrons, why would the box have more than one?

Prices

 Papa-Schlumpf wrote:
You are correct, they are Posessed and also come close to some Primarchs in size.

@Warhams-77: Can´t wait for the price tags. Will the set sizes also be mentioned? Maybe the drones come in sets of 3.

Interesting, thanks!

Hm... doing a GIS the only pics with size comparisons I can find are these:





First pic is a FW MkIII armor besides a GV, second is (I think) besides FW HH marine with Tartaros Terminator legs, and the third one is with a regular HH marine and a Chaos terminator.

If that's correct, it seems to me that they are bigger than the regular FW resin marines and of similar size as a regular terminator... hm. It would be cool to see a Gal Vorbak side by side with these new guys.


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 CragHack wrote:
Prices

Spoiler:

55 euros for tank, 40 for drone, chars are 20 each.

Hm... 40 euros for a drone, of 65 euros for a drone, 5 plague marines, a lord, 10 poxwalkers and a lot of primaris...

Decisions, decisions.

From reddit

Plague marine champion: £15
Plague marine icon bearer: £15
Plagueburst Crawler: £40
Bloat drone: £30
All the recent named models that appeared on the WC post are also priced at £15

According to Insane Psychopath over on B&C (http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339774-imperial-guard-codex-tactics-nurgle-vehicles-and/?p=4894778) who's apparently got octobers WD.

Death Guard Plague Marines are £30
Death Guard Plague Marine Champion, £15 - This is the one with the Nurling wearing a Deathguard helmet, Champion has the Power Fist & Plague sword.
Death Guard Plague Marine Icon Bearer, £15
Crawler, £40
Drone £30
All Character £15
Typhus £25

So they are putting out a box of guys that has no Champion it seems, and it is an extra 25 bucks for him and on top of that if you want the icon that's 25 bucks again. This is getting ridiculous.

"New" GW my ass.

Nah it sounds like it's a 10 man box with icon + champion parts in it, but there's a separate champion and a separate icon bearer available in clampacks. The icon bearer is the one with the standard not holding the fly icon in his hand, you can see him in the codex, and trhe champion is the one with the Nurgling wearing his helmet. (unless the guy on B&C, Charlo, is wrong/lying)

Likely just spare sculpts they want to make some $ off

from Adeptus Astartes on facebook

one icon bearer and champion per Plague Marine squad is going to get expensive fast

(I wonder if it means the PMs are going to be 5 per box as adding those two will take it to the expected 7 ?)

Thanks for the infos and photos, added to the first post


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The PMs are a ten model box

Warhams-77 wrote:
Thanks for the infos and photos, added to the first post


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The PMs are a ten model box

From the pictures it's looking like 7 can you confirm?

I was looking at my DG codex last night and wondering if the icon bearer and champion were separate models. Interesting but expensive.

The bloat drone is about £10 more than I thought it would be.

adeptus astartes again, the full PM page

They're really going to charge $84 for 7 Plague Marines? With a kit that doesn't have a Champ/Icon Bearer? And is probably as mono-pose as every other Nurgle release?

ListenToMeWarriors wrote:
I was looking at my DG codex last night and wondering if the icon bearer and champion were separate models. Interesting but expensive.

The bloat drone is about £10 more than I thought it would be.

It's actually cheaper than I expected as you'll have a couple of spare faceplates and weapons (easy bits sales/swaps)

@Albertorius: The Deathshroud would be even bigger and are maybe bigger than Angron. I would like a comparison pic to one of the square SM Dreadnoughts.

@All: thanks for the info.

The drones are just sold individual? Is there really one set with all the plates and stuff, just to make 1 drone out of it and falling short in a couple of pieces for a second one?
And where is the Bilogus Putrifier?

As for the "new" characters: Good for the people that want them, I will propably pass.

Can't make out the price on the crawler in USD, is that $65 or $85?

Yeah, 7 guys for $50 that doesn't include parts for icons/champion (so $100 if you want that) is a load of gak. Especially since it looks to be more monopose figures, not multi-part. I'm really finding it hard to be excited about Warhammer again...

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:

ListenToMeWarriors wrote:
I was looking at my DG codex last night and wondering if the icon bearer and champion were separate models. Interesting but expensive.

The bloat drone is about £10 more than I thought it would be.

It's actually cheaper than I expected as you'll have a couple of spare faceplates and weapons (easy bits sales/swaps)

True, if you want multiples just mix and match bits with cheap Dark Imperium drones. The champion/icon clam packs seem odd when GW seemingly meant to cut down on SKU's. The amount of individual clam pack releases for Death Guard is mental.

Icon and champion pieces are available in the Plague Marine kit. See the plasma pistol and in the codex there's a hand held icon piece.

The consensus on B&C seems to be that there are parts for both champion and icon bearer in the multi part box and these are more specific monopose sculpts that are optional/in addition to the multipart box.

If so this is fantastic, and might mark the return to the era of having several cool monopose models per army on top of multipart kits. More options the better. Monopose can often be nicer than multipose as there's more joined up sculpting etc., while having the option to make some from the multipart box means armys need not have all the champions the same etc.

Steady with jumping to conclusions. These pics are no evidence either way. This MAY be a 7-model monopose box. But the info from a reliable source (Atia) was ten models and multipart. It may turn out to be wrong but the text in WD is not helping. We had people jumping to conclusion the Hauler and Crawler would be in one kit, despite the actual differences in their bits. We can now see these vehicles are not in the same kit. Just wait for more info about the PM kit.

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 jamesterjlrb wrote:
The consensus on B&C seems to be that there are parts for both champion and icon bearer in the multi part box and these are more specific monopose sculpts that are optional/in addition to the multipart box.

If so this is fantastic, and might mark the return to the era of having several cool monopose models per army on top of multipart kits. More options the better. Monopose can often be nicer than multipose as there's more joined up sculpting etc., while having the option to make some from the multipart box means armys need not have all the champions the same etc.

This

New plastic Typhus is $40 USD, that's $7 less expensive than the resin FW Typhus on enormous resin display base...

What on earth were they thinking! I thought we'd see a leveling off of prices for a while, appears that's not going to be the case.

 MeanGreenStompa wrote:
What on earth were they thinking! I thought we'd see a leveling off of prices for a while, appears that's not going to be the case.

Smoke and mirrors.

A few of us have been saying it for a while, but many were blinded by funny YouTube videos and a community site.

 Papa-Schlumpf wrote:
@Albertorius: The Deathshroud would be even bigger and are maybe bigger than Angron. I would like a comparison pic to one of the square SM Dreadnoughts.

Thanks for the heads up

To be quite honest, the more I look into it, the less I am enthusiastic about this release.
- They botched the points of Walkers and Deathshroud
- Death Guard in general suffers Skornegry
- They exploited people with the Plague Brethren
- The Plague Marines Box looks undermanned
- They will sell champion and bearer separately
- The models are a bit over-designed and you pay premium price for something that needs trimming. I am happy of my results now but is annoying.

I think I will use old models like predators and helbrutes/FWdread and ebay+bits, only buying non-used models in the future, in case. Very rarely use new kits.
I have lots of modeling to do because walkers and bearers are to be converted using mechanicus and necron bits to give a bio-mechanical vibe, so no big deal.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 MeanGreenStompa wrote:
What on earth were they thinking! I thought we'd see a leveling off of prices for a while, appears that's not going to be the case.

Smoke and mirrors.

A few of us have been saying it for a while, but many were blinded by funny YouTube videos and a community site.

I am disappointed at this cash grab and actually it looks like that the new GW is indeed "smoke and mirrors".

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 MeanGreenStompa wrote:
What on earth were they thinking! I thought we'd see a leveling off of prices for a while, appears that's not going to be the case.

Smoke and mirrors.

A few of us have been saying it for a while, but many were blinded by funny YouTube videos and a community site.

Yeah, it's pretty fascinating how a basic social media presence will not only convince people you've 150% changed, but will defend your honour to the death at the slightest hint of criticism.

If we can still make different Champions/icon bearers via the Plague Marine box then a few unique, but unncessary standalone models won't be so bad. My concern is that if these models sell well, it's going to start becoming the norm that stuff like sergeants, champions and attachments will start being sold separately.

 Arbitrator wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 MeanGreenStompa wrote:
What on earth were they thinking! I thought we'd see a leveling off of prices for a while, appears that's not going to be the case.

Smoke and mirrors.

A few of us have been saying it for a while, but many were blinded by funny YouTube videos and a community site.

Yeah, it's pretty fascinating how a basic social media presence will not only convince people you've 150% changed, but will defend your honour to the death at the slightest hint of criticism.

There are people on this board that consider un-thinkable and sinful to criticize new art direction and models. "The new stuff is better, fullstop" is the answer.

Quote where GW said they are lowering prices, please.

 Arbitrator wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 MeanGreenStompa wrote:
What on earth were they thinking! I thought we'd see a leveling off of prices for a while, appears that's not going to be the case.

Smoke and mirrors.

A few of us have been saying it for a while, but many were blinded by funny YouTube videos and a community site.

Yeah, it's pretty fascinating how a basic social media presence will not only convince people you've 150% changed, but will defend your honour to the death at the slightest hint of criticism.

If we can still make different Champions/icon bearers via the Plague Marine box then a few unique, but unncessary standalone models won't be so bad. My concern is that if these models sell well, it's going to start becoming the norm that stuff like sergeants, champions and attachments will start being sold separately.

Back when models were metal and plastic, there were tons of blister-packed sarges and champions and special weapon guys to give you more options and more variety than what could be made from the plastic grunt boxes. They gave you more flexibility in what you bought and how your army looked, as well as being cheaper 'impulse buy' items at the store, something that FLGS seem to be sorely lacking right now with the move to everything being large plastic boxes. Granted, $25 for a single character is less of an impulse buy than the days of a <$10 single metal sarge, but it's still valuable as a way to lower the barrier to entry if someone wants to buy a couple models to try out a scheme or see if they like an army's aesthetic.

 Prometheum5 wrote:


Back when models were metal and plastic, there were tons of blister-packed sarges and champions and special weapon guys to give you more options and more variety than what could be made from the plastic grunt boxes. They gave you more flexibility in what you bought and how your army looked, as well as being cheaper 'impulse buy' items at the store, something that FLGS seem to be sorely lacking right now with the move to everything being large plastic boxes. Granted, $25 for a single character is less of an impulse buy than the days of a <$10 single metal sarge, but it's still valuable as a way to lower the barrier to entry if someone wants to buy a couple models to try out a scheme or see if they like an army's aesthetic.

BUT BUT BUT these are expensive and I want to pay '90s prices!

What's pissing me off the most is the lack of customization. The main selling point for Warhammer versus other game systems was that you used to be able to get a kit and build each guy slightly different; it wasn't any of this "Piece 34 only goes with piece 57, Arm 4 and 5, and legs 21 and 23" monopose stuff. Now, you can only build kits certain ways, you can't just cut out all the legs, torsos, arms and heads and then sort of "costume design" models to have certain things.