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ListenToMeWarriors wrote:
I am interested in the Tallyman and Plague Surgeon now being named, did somebody in the legal department make a mistake with trademarks or something?

The thing is the names are just that - names. If you look at the description for Nauseous Rotbone, the Plague Surgeon it describes him as "Nauseous Rotbone, a Death Guard Plague Surgeon". It also describes what a Plague Surgeon is in generic terms, so it is very clear that this isn't a special character. The same is true of the Tallyman. These are unique names attached to generic character minis. Hard to see what trademarking the ridiculous names they've now attached to the mini does for them.

The only other reason I can think of is that they're planning more sculpts, and the name is used to denote the sculpt. Ordinarily I'd not even consider this nowadays, however the Plague Marine alt command sculpts being sold individually suggests it just might be something they're trying out (although I suppose there's less demand for variants of characters than of command). After all in the metal era mono-pose was a big reason for making multiple incarnations of heroes, wizards, et cetera. If the modern CAD style means more mono-pose it might also mean more sculpts per character type.

Yeah, this is very similar to what they did back in the metal mini days, where an inordinate amount of minis got unique names to go with that particular sculpt.

It kinda made me wonder if we will see a trickle of new sculpts and even new character units in the future.

 Geifer wrote:
I played my first game against Death Guard today and with regard to earlier remarks I have to say those dice are actually very readable. I'm usually quite wary of special dice but found the Death Guard ones are not easy to confuse. They are quite light, though, so for people who don't like that they're not so great.

Thanks for the input. My biggest hangup was my opponents' potential reaction to the dice.


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 NinthMusketeer wrote:

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Wayniac wrote:
They seem to be taking their good sweet time with these releases. Which sucks for those us who need the new stuff to build our armies, as we are stuck waiting weeks without being able to play.

Agreed. While I understand some people enjoy the pace because they want to have to time to build and/or save for more units, I'm in the above group that just wants all the units so I can buy the army I've built from the Codex, then build from there. Instead of getting it piecemeal.

I like when they spread out releases over a 2-3 week period, but this is way too much.

And they're releasing the mainstay unit last. I think it is to drive Dark Imperium sales as long as they can.

It is odd that Rotbone is not just any old Plague Surgeon, he is Mortarion's personal Plague Surgeon. I do not think it is a case of them naming particular sculpts though, I do not foresee any other Surgeon/Tallyman sculpts for a long time. And they did not name the Foul Blightspawn and I assume it will be the same with the Biologus Putrifier.

Has anyone actually gotten their models yet, for the "named" generic characters? I'd laugh if they had two datasheets in their kit, one for the generic and a unique named character version.

I honestly stopped keeping up with the releases exact date, I'll just buy it when it comes into the local shop tbh.

It's more likely just a little bit of colour for the Codex, and so those who don't wanna design their own background fluff can paint up as 'this guy from the Codex'. I don't think it heralds alternate sculpts at all.

Damn, still no plague marines box. Is it me or this release is really dragging on. Seems like we havent seen anything new since june

 streetsamurai wrote:
Damn, still no plague marines box. Is it me or this release is really dragging on. Seems like we havent seen anything new since june

They'll be up for preorder next weekend.

JohnnyHell wrote:It's more likely just a little bit of colour for the Codex, and so those who don't wanna design their own background fluff can paint up as 'this guy from the Codex'. I don't think it heralds alternate sculpts at all.

I don't think alt sculpts are likely, just that they were one of the only ways I could make sense of their decision to stick a name on a generic character mini. Plus, they know that people tend to copy standard and/or on the box schemes anyway. That they haven't done it much in the past indicates that they know they don't need to name generics for that. IDK. It's a weird choice. Maybe there is some IP protection reason for it.

streetsamurai wrote:Damn, still no plague marines box. Is it me or this release is really dragging on. Seems like we havent seen anything new since june

Yeah this is killing me. I get teasing out the release but surely lead with the Plague Marines?!

I think we'll see the Blight hauler, Putrifier, and Marines previewed tomorrow.

Does anyone know what the price might be on the Hauler?

Just calling them 'Tallyman' 'Blightspawn' 'Putrifier' etc would have been better IMO (they got one there at least). Would also be nice if the blightlords were just called plague terminators too. Having some stuff with special names, like deathshroud and lord of contagion, would come across a lot better than everything being special.

blight hauler and putrifier next week ... the week after that ... PM, Exalted Champion, & Standard Bearer

 aracersss wrote:
blight hauler and putrifier next week ... the week after that ... PM, Exalted Champion, & Standard Bearer

Plague Marines, Champ, Standard Bearer and Putrifier are all for preorder next weekend.

Well, to get back into 40k, I'd bought myself the Dark Imperium box, 2 first strike starters and a Death Guard Codex.

I wanted to add a unit of DG terminators to my army so bought the Blightlord Terminators box which arrived this weekend.

What a pile of rubbish.

There's only 3 swords and 3 axes so not enough of each for the 5 figures. There's only 1 of each combi weapon weapon when I could have done with 4 of the same type. At the end of the day, for 35 quid, all I can make is a crappy unit with a mess of mixed weapons. This release has really put me off buying anything else.

 Gimgamgoo wrote:
Well, to get back into 40k, I'd bought myself the Dark Imperium box, 2 first strike starters and a Death Guard Codex.

I wanted to add a unit of DG terminators to my army so bought the Blightlord Terminators box which arrived this weekend.

What a pile of rubbish.

There's only 3 swords and 3 axes so not enough of each for the 5 figures. There's only 1 of each combi weapon weapon when I could have done with 4 of the same type. At the end of the day, for 35 quid, all I can make is a crappy unit with a mess of mixed weapons. This release has really put me off buying anything else.

Welcome to every GW kit ever.

 Gimgamgoo wrote:
Well, to get back into 40k, I'd bought myself the Dark Imperium box, 2 first strike starters and a Death Guard Codex.

I wanted to add a unit of DG terminators to my army so bought the Blightlord Terminators box which arrived this weekend.

What a pile of rubbish.

There's only 3 swords and 3 axes so not enough of each for the 5 figures. There's only 1 of each combi weapon weapon when I could have done with 4 of the same type. At the end of the day, for 35 quid, all I can make is a crappy unit with a mess of mixed weapons. This release has really put me off buying anything else.

Yep. The sprues are pretty terrible. It's more feasible to order a Terminator armour mark of your choice from FW and buy weapon packs from their 30k range and mix in a DG Terminator upgrade kit.

I've been meaning to try casting my own weapon bits for awhile now and I've just ordered some oyumaru. That blightlord kit was the tipping point, I'm going to want to make some spare weapons out of kneadatite.

If they had done 4 axes, 4 swords, and 4 combi-weapons (up to 2 plas, up to 2 melta, up to 2 flame) then it wouldn't take up a huge amount of sprue space and be perfectly acceptable IMO. Were that the case then a player who bought two boxes could fully equip two squads with four combi-weapons of the same type (provided they were different) and any squad with the proper allotment of swords/axes, since flail and special weapons are 1 per 5. What they went with is much, much more difficult for players to work with. Coupled with the equipment changes from Nurgle-marked terminators (seriously, couldn't they have dropped either the axe or sword option and gone with power fists?) and I can see why people are a bit miffed with what is sculpt-wise a solid kit.

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
(seriously, couldn't they have dropped either the axe or sword option and gone with power fists?)

Swords. Fething swords. We didn't want or need them and to be frank the CSM range has virtually no power swords for Terminators. Dropping swords wouldn't have affected anyone. Heck, making it so the Champion could take a balesword as an option would've been fine.

Phone ate my post, so short summary: for the freaking price the kits all should have an additional sprue. That way we could have enough standard weapons for each grunt, more heads, more torso options and -shokingly- even some extra bits.

Blight Kings: 3 sprues for 5, great kit

Blightlords: 2 sprues for 5, you can't even equip everyone with the same CCW

And the Terminators are more expensive than the Nurgle Blight Knights.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
And the Terminators are more expensive than the Nurgle Blight Knights.

Something I elaborated a bit in my disappeared post.

AoS Nurgle dudes are waaay nore niche than freaking Nurgle CSM which basically everyone and their uncle used IF they played CSM at all. So the "aww, widdle GW won't sell much kits so they need to be more expensive" angle really doesn't work for white knighting. No third sprue for Plagueburst Crawlers and Blighlords is just being cheap in the wrong place.

The DG kits are options starved and lack flexibility -huge negatives IMO- and this is the road they want to go down it seems. So every complaint might help to steer them back a bit. Especially direct ones to GW reps.

Welp. Came first in a local store tournament. £50 prize and the store is 10% off RRP.

Guess I'll be picking up a Crawler and a Tallyman next weekend with my winnings.

Crawler is sort of growing on me. There's no way the damn thing is a Daemon Engine from appearance - no tentacles, horns or random fleshy blobs...but hey, that's what I like about the damn thing. And I suppose the same logic applies to the Defiler so...

That and the thing has an invuln save, decent range, is T8 and has DR on top of it all...uh....okay. Guess that's the tank for me then.

The Tallyman...well, I'll make do with those random tentacles. The rest of the model is workable so it's not too bad.

End of the day I'm getting this lot for free really so...eh.

The Plague Surgeon is a huge disappointment to me. So very flat....

Was almost tempted on Deathshroud then realised I hate their static poses and the fact their sprues are just...ugh. So I guess it's a FW order of some Deathshroud and a conversion kit later in the month for me when I want those.

Congrats DarkStarSabre! Yeah the Plagueburst Crawlers are really cool now that I've seen a 360 of them, and I liked the look of them before. Picking two up on Saturday along with a Tallyman.

I agree that the Surgeon is disappointing. I thought he looked pretty cool from the early previews but seeing the 360 has put me off. That hood is odd and the robe around his leg is really boringly shaped.

I'm just waiting on the Plague Marines, hoping to Nurgle that it's a 10 man kit. Also hoping that we'll be able to get larger man boxes of Pox Walkers too eventually

 Tiberius501 wrote:
Congrats DarkStarSabre! Yeah the Plagueburst Crawlers are really cool now that I've seen a 360 of them, and I liked the look of them before. Picking two up on Saturday along with a Tallyman.

I agree that the Surgeon is disappointing. I thought he looked pretty cool from the early previews but seeing the 360 has put me off. That hood is odd and the robe around his leg is really boringly shaped.

I'm just waiting on the Plague Marines, hoping to Nurgle that it's a 10 man kit. Also hoping that we'll be able to get larger man boxes of Pox Walkers too eventually

Not a Death Guard player but I really like the Surgeon. Can't explain why, but he feels like one of those models that basically tells a story and would be perfect for a vignette/diorama.

Poxwalkers I hope get their own kit or at least release the DI ones in a boxed set, but I'm starting to feel doubtful of it after looking back at the sprues. There's one corner section that has a Plague Marine's components on it that precludes them from just throwing the Dark Imperium sprues into the box.

 Gimgamgoo wrote:
Well, to get back into 40k, I'd bought myself the Dark Imperium box, 2 first strike starters and a Death Guard Codex.

I wanted to add a unit of DG terminators to my army so bought the Blightlord Terminators box which arrived this weekend.

What a pile of rubbish.

There's only 3 swords and 3 axes so not enough of each for the 5 figures. There's only 1 of each combi weapon weapon when I could have done with 4 of the same type. At the end of the day, for 35 quid, all I can make is a crappy unit with a mess of mixed weapons. This release has really put me off buying anything else.

and devastators, wolf guard terminators, chaos terminators, skitarii rangers, grey hunters (i want 3 flamer/meltagun), tactical marines (1 hvy), ork nobz (i want 5 kombi fskorchas!), and on and on and on. Its annoying but ts not the first kit and certainly wont be the last. The main thing is they look amazing and comni bolters and the choice of sword or axe are not terrible. . Buy 2+kits or go with some converting /ebay

Does the Blightlord kit at least come with enough to make one of each combi-weapon? Or can you literally only make a single combi-weapon of your choice?

 Tiberius501 wrote:
Does the Blightlord kit at least come with enough to make one of each combi-weapon? Or can you literally only make a single combi-weapon of your choice?

From looking at the parts, it seems you can make 1 of each type, so 3 figures of the 5 can have the combiweapons.

I guess in most of my games there'll be lots of 'counts as'. I'm certainly not getting heavily back into playing GW stuff if this is still the way boxes are made. A single plastic sprue snapped in half to fit in a box for £35 without the necessary option parts is ridiculous.

 Tiberius501 wrote:
Does the Blightlord kit at least come with enough to make one of each combi-weapon? Or can you literally only make a single combi-weapon of your choice?

One of each it looks like on the sprues. With the exception of normal combi bolters of course.

I'm feeling more and more justified just using my old power axe terminators and figuring out a way to kitbash a flail. The icon in the eventual PM kit might work alright.

Well that's sort of something I guess. I mean, it's still pretty rubbish for the cost, but it's not as bad as I thought