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Squads of 7 confirmed. Really poor call that one unless the price is magically lower.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/10/01/multipart-plague-marines-the-biologus-putrifier-and-more/

Plague Marine kit confirmed as 7 per box. That's pretty dreadful, and I'm torn about whether to bother with any now.

Ah man that sucks and really annoys me... I was really hoping for boxes of 10. Thanks GW. I've been fairly optimistic during this release but it's really starting to grind now

Yeah. I was really excited for this release but there’s lots of little issues that have added up to quite the disappointment.

Yep. Such a shame. There's some really amazing models in this range which I'm really loving the look of, but damn, they're really making it hard to have a good time collecting them. I was super keen to collect a DG army for the first time, finally seeing a cool Chaos army, but I bet this 7 man kit won't even have enough upgrades to arm them all, like the Blightlord termies. I might look at collecting a different army :/

Squads of 7...and I'm very worried by how many of them seem to have the exact same posed legs with the only difference being one has a skull, one has some spikes, one has nothing.

The clampack upgrades...also look like CAD resculpts of existing sculpts.

For an army that has so much raw potential in terms of conversion and aesthetic the overall release has been horribly bland and disappointing.


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Also, the barefaced cheek of GW recommending the Plague Brethren set as a way to bring your squads up to 10. Paid £30 for 7?

Surely you won't mind paying another £25 for 3 more, will you?

Paying $84 for 7 figures, most likely without the full compliment of options to kit them out properly, +$70 for the plague brethren is obviously an incredibly good deal. I mean, who wouldn't want to spend $154 on a troop choice?

Love ya GeeDubs.

"This release keeps getting worse all the time." - Lando Calrissian

It's a 7-man box. The models will likely be as poseable as the Nurgle Terminator kit (that is to say, not much), and it will cost as much if not more than this, or this, or this.

"But guys! GW are getting better! Haven't youn seen their funny YouTube videos!!!"

Horse gak!

I'm more tempted to collect a 30k style army of DG instead, going off of the mklll plastics GW sells already +some Contemptors from FW as hellbrutes and some Sola Auxillia as cultists

Damn. I will still probably get a box of PM as I need to to finish off my troops and I don't want to have any more duplicates from the starter boxes. I already have a bunch of suitable axes and CC weapons to equip them all with, but the 7 man box is certainly disappointing.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
"This release keeps getting worse all the time." - Lando Calrissian

It's a 7-man box. The models will likely be as poseable as the Nurgle Terminator kit (that is to say, not much), and it will cost as much if not more than this, or this, or this.

"But guys! GW are getting better! Haven't youn seen their funny YouTube videos!!!"

Horse gak!

I suspect things like some of the Start Collecting sets representing really good value, releasing games and factions people have been crying out for for years, sometimes in a decent value box, have more to do with that. Better PR helps, but I don't think it would have turned their fortunes around alone. They have been better in some ways. Unfortunately, Death Guard represents a low point. A damned shame, because while the minis are on the busy side for my taste I've broadly thought them really nice. If this release hadn't been bungled so badly they'd probably be seen in a more positive way.

Yeah, unless that kit comes with enough to double up on any options I want (which, at a glance, it doesn't) I'll pass.

The fact they showed of three special weapons in a squad of 7 almost makes me wonder if we might get a FAQ allowing an extra gun at 7. That would be kinda great.

Of course then it could get the same treatment they did with those grundstok thunderers. If anyone doesn't follow AoS, people kept complaining about only having one of each special weapon option in the box, despite being able to take up to four of any mix of the four guns in a single 5 man unit, like devastators basically. In response GW updated the unit it so they had to mix weapons, and each dwarf had to have a different gun. That was hilarious/awful, they even outright said it was in response to people complaining the box didn't have enough options.

The standart bearer is a mirrored DI PM with other bits. And the champion has nothing going for him, except that nurgling, but I wont take him.
So the box of seven is a new low, that ain´t some bag of chips or other groceries, where they cheat by decreasing the content and maintaining the same prices and package. And I get a feeling, that the PM sprues will be barren as the others.

GW congrats, you played yourself. No 2000 points army with optional units for me then, just a small force. I dig the style and background of the army, but I can´t justifiy to myself this prices. I rather invest in another hobby.

On another topic: I would replace the Tallymans head with the one from the PM´s champion.

SilverAlien wrote:

The fact they showed of three special weapons in a squad of 7 almost makes me wonder if we might get a FAQ allowing an extra gun at 7. That would be kinda great.

We got our FAQ. It gave us the points value for a Daemon Prince with wings (spoiler - exactly the same as the CSM one), didn't give our Terminators Power Fists back, had the same dull questions about Poxwalkers costing reinforcement points or not (they don't) and a snippet that allows you to use CSM Stratagems on Death Guard units and vice versa.

Wooooo.

threebats wrote:
I suspect things like some of the Start Collecting sets representing really good value...

Only on a comparative basis. They're good "value" compared to the general over-costed nature of GW's products.

One only need look at this box as proof of why they're not actually good value. At the standard Start Collecting price point the contents of this box was no saving at all, except just before it came out GW dramatically increased the price of the Screamer and Flamer boxes. That's almost (and I stress, almost) like putting the price up on something and then having a sale where the 'sale price' is the old price prior to you increasing it.

Damm, at least you can build a champion and a icon bearer, but a box of 7? GW, you can do it better.

I'll put my feelings with the others. I was all aboard to start a DG army. The Dark Imperium box was beautifull and I even bought First Strike for the models in that box, but ... with all of this little... annoyances, meh.
Probably my intentions of starting at last a Chaos army for 40k will just disappaer again.

Here is what will really push me over the edge. If the new plague marine box only comes with 1 or 2 plasma guns (or other special weapons). Then I am forced to buy another 7 man box to get one gun. This forces me to buy much larger boxes of stuff I don’t need to get a single gun. This is why I prefer boxes of 5.

If they come with tons of options and 3 plasma guns then I will happy if I only have to buy the 7 PM box. I sure hope they don’t force me to own 14 marines to have 3 plasma guns. The easy build set of 3 doesn’t come with plasma.

I'm still going to go through with a DG army. I already have 40 Poxwalkers, 17 Plague Marines and 3 Bloat Drones, along with several copies of the DI characters. But this is a crossroads for me, as well. I will go third party for anything I find suitable and just say feth it to playing at/supporting GW stores. There are plenty of FLGS to play at.

Comparing with some army pics, the legs and torsos are interchangeable. But I can´t find the double pair of legs anymore.
Also an additional breat plate (cracked open with tentacles) and some heads (frog head, cyclops head) and some spare weapons will be on te sprues.

 Galas wrote:
I was all aboard to start a DG army.

I was all aboard to supplement my existing DG army. I was also very excited overall about this release, especially as it seemed that this would mirror the release Thousand Sons/Tzeentch got recently, especially with the way GW plastic tech is. The mono-pose previews from Dark Imperium were incredible, so the fully realised multi-part plastic kits would have to be fantastic yes?

No. Mostly mono-pose and, worse, for the same cost as far more versatile kits. Then a Codex full of baffling limitations that further solidified the "No Model = No Rules" mantra that infests GW these days, and finally, to top it all off, a 7-man box for the price of the most expensive 10-man boxes they make.

What a joke...

With any luck, this was an experimental release in terms of how they've done it.

IF the plague marine box has the full compliment of special weapons (and I mean EVERY possible option for a 7-man squad) then it will go from a gak box to a merely bad one. I guess they decided that the 5-man and 10-man primaris boxes were too much effort and players would prefer they split the difference? Also an insult that they recommend plague brethren to fill out the squad. It's frustrating to see so many good aspects overshadowed by what are relatively small things that have a disproportionately large negative impact. Bean counters had too much of a hand in this one, hopefully a DG start collecting will show up this December as a form of apology.

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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
"This release keeps getting worse all the time." - Lando Calrissian

It's a 7-man box. The models will likely be as poseable as the Nurgle Terminator kit (that is to say, not much), and it will cost as much if not more than this, or this, or this.

"But guys! GW are getting better! Haven't youn seen their funny YouTube videos!!!"

Horse gak!

I suspect things like some of the Start Collecting sets representing really good value, releasing games and factions people have been crying out for for years, sometimes in a decent value box, have more to do with that. Better PR helps, but I don't think it would have turned their fortunes around alone. They have been better in some ways. Unfortunately, Death Guard represents a low point. A damned shame, because while the minis are on the busy side for my taste I've broadly thought them really nice. If this release hadn't been bungled so badly they'd probably be seen in a more positive way.

HMBC likes to confuse "getting better" with "is now absolutely perfect" it fits his narrative better.

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
HMBC likes to confuse "getting better" with "is now absolutely perfect" it fits his narrative better.

Nice try, but no. It's not about being perfect. It's about saying you're doing something whilst actually doing something different (or nothing at all).

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
IF the plague marine box has the full compliment of special weapons (and I mean EVERY possible option for a 7-man squad) then it will go from a gak box to a merely bad one. I guess they decided that the 5-man and 10-man primaris boxes were too much effort and players would prefer they split the difference? Also an insult that they recommend plague brethren to fill out the squad. It's frustrating to see so many good aspects overshadowed by what are relatively small things that have a disproportionately large negative impact. Bean counters had too much of a hand in this one, hopefully a DG start collecting will show up this December as a form of apology.

This is the worst of all. Is a beautifull army, I really wanted to start it! But with all this little annoyances that have been creeping their way for all this release... I suppose I'll wait until they release a Start Collecting. SC boxes can do wonders for an army, just look at Fyreslayers.

since nobody else ported the image over

(and i'm also sad the box is only 7, but i'm still getting them)

The other thing I don't like is $25 elite characters. Heck, I just got done with my Kharn conversion from the berserker kit cause the prices are nuts. Some stuff you just have to deal with, like Ill probablly get tallyman cause nothing is like him. But the surgeon and putrifier are just gonna be plague marines with some head and weapon swaps from the deathshroud and blightlords kits. Same with Typhus and if I want another blightdrone. Alot of great models in the release and stuff I don't mind paying the prices, but others are just ridiculous.

 DarkStarSabre wrote:
Squads of 7...and I'm very worried by how many of them seem to have the exact same posed legs with the only difference being one has a skull, one has some spikes, one has nothing.

The clampack upgrades...also look like CAD resculpts of existing sculpts.

For an army that has so much raw potential in terms of conversion and aesthetic the overall release has been horribly bland and disappointing.

Truly, it seems like they built this release almost as a additional detachment to your Chaos Space Marine army rather than an army unto itself. And the Plague Brethren is ridiculous. Just give us a box of 10 Plague Marines rather than a box of 7 and a grossly overpriced box of 3. If these Plague Marines are $50 for 7, I may be switching armies.

So... 7 man box (don't give me that sacred number crap, Do Rubrics come in boxes of 9?)

And they've split the weapon options among different boxes

And they don't scale well with existing pre-8e models

Wake me up when 9e hits, this one's a write-off

broxus wrote:
The easy build set of 3 doesn’t come with plasma.

Yes it does, but it is on the back of the Champion, so he's the one who's forced to take it. I guess you could put his backpack on another model, though. There you go, instant Plasma.



On another note, what is with all of the mouth-bellies? I hope there's more options in the PM box. I mean, one or two mouth-bellies in a unit is okay, I guess, but why do half or more of them have them? I understand they're a part of Nurgle iconography, but I didn't realize they were a defining characteristic of Death Guard now.

That unit champ and icon bearer should be in that PM box, not separate $25 per unit upgrade. No other unit in warhammer 40k makes you pay $50 for the unit champs, plus $50 for the unit and your still a man short. And there's something wrong when the best thing about the champ fig is the nurgling with a helmet. Now I'm glad I bought 2 of the First strike starter. It was great to fill out my squads (my son plays marines) but I got 2 champs with plasma gun and power fist and 2 blightlaunchers. Those are looking like a premium to buy elsewhere.


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 puma713 wrote:

broxus wrote:
The easy build set of 3 doesn’t come with plasma.

Yes it does, but it is on the back of the Champion, so he's the one who's forced to take it.

He's not forced to take it. He's plastic, it's time for surgery. Of course, personally I like the plasma/powerfist loadout so I'll keep him as is with maybe a head swap