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 Papa-Schlumpf wrote:

Qlanth wrote:
Maybe it's because I've only been in this hobby for a couple of years... but I find the anger and over-entitled rage coming from this thread absolutely baffling.

People incensed that a box only comes with 7 models and claiming to be abandoning the hobby over it... I think maybe you lack some perspective...

Who exactly claimed to abandon the hobby? Please show me the quote.

People are just not excited as they were in March/April, when the first DI spoilers hit, if I remember correctly. They are just not getting the full load of DG and aim for smaller purchases or wait for a starter collection.

Also this "pricing experiment" will go in GW´s favour, just the information they get of of this, will help them to plan their later pricing and release strategies.

Uhm, you did lol

 Papa-Schlumpf wrote:
The standart bearer is a mirrored DI PM with other bits. And the champion has nothing going for him, except that nurgling, but I wont take him.
So the box of seven is a new low, that ain´t some bag of chips or other groceries, where they cheat by decreasing the content and maintaining the same prices and package. And I get a feeling, that the PM sprues will be barren as the others.

GW congrats, you played yourself. No 2000 points army with optional units for me then, just a small force. I dig the style and background of the army, but I can´t justifiy to myself this prices. I rather invest in another hobby.

On another topic: I would replace the Tallymans head with the one from the PM´s champion.

 Albino Squirrel wrote:
Even if some people who play the armies have no trouble remembering the crazy names, there is another problem with it. As GW is trying to lower the barrier to entry to having starter sets and simpler base rules, they may be making people less likely to start by making the background too confusing. Like I said, if I were kind of interested in Stormcast and picked up a White Dwarf to check out their battle report, but couldn't make any sense of what was going on, I might be a little discouraged.

They made it much easier to understand the rules, but way harder to understand the lingo.

I think GW may be hoping for a different effect. With every mention of a unit, someone who doesn't know what it is goes to check and is exposed to the shiny models. Repeat that often enough and you don't just teach the name but connect it with visual identity. I think it's about strengthening brand recognition and, of course, desire to buy stuff.

And would you look at that? The rules are so easy they won't get in the way of your enjoying the AdjectiveNoun NounNouns.

Qlanth wrote:

 Papa-Schlumpf wrote:

Qlanth wrote:
Maybe it's because I've only been in this hobby for a couple of years... but I find the anger and over-entitled rage coming from this thread absolutely baffling.

People incensed that a box only comes with 7 models and claiming to be abandoning the hobby over it... I think maybe you lack some perspective...

Who exactly claimed to abandon the hobby? Please show me the quote.

People are just not excited as they were in March/April, when the first DI spoilers hit, if I remember correctly. They are just not getting the full load of DG and aim for smaller purchases or wait for a starter collection.

Also this "pricing experiment" will go in GW´s favour, just the information they get of of this, will help them to plan their later pricing and release strategies.

Uhm, you did lol

 Papa-Schlumpf wrote:
The standart bearer is a mirrored DI PM with other bits. And the champion has nothing going for him, except that nurgling, but I wont take him.
So the box of seven is a new low, that ain´t some bag of chips or other groceries, where they cheat by decreasing the content and maintaining the same prices and package. And I get a feeling, that the PM sprues will be barren as the others.

GW congrats, you played yourself. No 2000 points army with optional units for me then, just a small force. I dig the style and background of the army, but I can´t justifiy to myself this prices. I rather invest in another hobby.

On another topic: I would replace the Tallymans head with the one from the PM´s champion.

Not spending money on a release isn’t the same thing as quitting the hobby.

 Geifer wrote:

 Albino Squirrel wrote:
Even if some people who play the armies have no trouble remembering the crazy names, there is another problem with it. As GW is trying to lower the barrier to entry to having starter sets and simpler base rules, they may be making people less likely to start by making the background too confusing. Like I said, if I were kind of interested in Stormcast and picked up a White Dwarf to check out their battle report, but couldn't make any sense of what was going on, I might be a little discouraged.

They made it much easier to understand the rules, but way harder to understand the lingo.

I think GW may be hoping for a different effect. With every mention of a unit, someone who doesn't know what it is goes to check and is exposed to the shiny models. Repeat that often enough and you don't just teach the name but connect it with visual identity. I think it's about strengthening brand recognition and, of course, desire to buy stuff.

And would you look at that? The rules are so easy they won't get in the way of your enjoying the AdjectiveNoun NounNouns.

Don't forget ease of copyrighting and trademarking.

@Qlanth: Your interpretation is far off, but people want to read what they want to read. Abandoning the hobby sounds way different than not investing as much ressources as you initially planned.
You now can join GW in the "Congrats, you played yourself."-club.
Have a good day.

 ImAGeek wrote:

Spoiler:

Qlanth wrote:

 Papa-Schlumpf wrote:

Qlanth wrote:
Maybe it's because I've only been in this hobby for a couple of years... but I find the anger and over-entitled rage coming from this thread absolutely baffling.

People incensed that a box only comes with 7 models and claiming to be abandoning the hobby over it... I think maybe you lack some perspective...

Who exactly claimed to abandon the hobby? Please show me the quote.

People are just not excited as they were in March/April, when the first DI spoilers hit, if I remember correctly. They are just not getting the full load of DG and aim for smaller purchases or wait for a starter collection.

Also this "pricing experiment" will go in GW´s favour, just the information they get of of this, will help them to plan their later pricing and release strategies.

Uhm, you did lol

 Papa-Schlumpf wrote:
The standart bearer is a mirrored DI PM with other bits. And the champion has nothing going for him, except that nurgling, but I wont take him.
So the box of seven is a new low, that ain´t some bag of chips or other groceries, where they cheat by decreasing the content and maintaining the same prices and package. And I get a feeling, that the PM sprues will be barren as the others.

GW congrats, you played yourself. No 2000 points army with optional units for me then, just a small force. I dig the style and background of the army, but I can´t justifiy to myself this prices. I rather invest in another hobby.

On another topic: I would replace the Tallymans head with the one from the PM´s champion.

Not spending money on a release isn’t the same thing as quitting the hobby.

Thats fair. But the rhetoric being thrown around here is absolutely off the wall. Honestly it's discussions like these that make me want to quit more than anything else. it seems like no matter where I go to try and find a discussion on the new stuff all I see is horrible negativity, anger, entitlement, name calling, etc. This is in such stark contrast with people i meet IRL who are happy with the new releases.

 puma713 wrote:

 Geifer wrote:

 Albino Squirrel wrote:
Even if some people who play the armies have no trouble remembering the crazy names, there is another problem with it. As GW is trying to lower the barrier to entry to having starter sets and simpler base rules, they may be making people less likely to start by making the background too confusing. Like I said, if I were kind of interested in Stormcast and picked up a White Dwarf to check out their battle report, but couldn't make any sense of what was going on, I might be a little discouraged.

They made it much easier to understand the rules, but way harder to understand the lingo.

I think GW may be hoping for a different effect. With every mention of a unit, someone who doesn't know what it is goes to check and is exposed to the shiny models. Repeat that often enough and you don't just teach the name but connect it with visual identity. I think it's about strengthening brand recognition and, of course, desire to buy stuff.

And would you look at that? The rules are so easy they won't get in the way of your enjoying the AdjectiveNoun NounNouns.

Don't forget ease of copyrighting and trademarking.

How could I? Although I find it silly that you would misspell Gravelaw Koppiryte like that.

One thing I have to say though is that while it's all good and well to discuss the merits of such a dragged out release, it's worth considering that for over three months now we've seen nothing new outside the two starter factions for 8th ed. It'll be four months before we get something halfway new with Shadespire. I can understand that GW wants 8th ed and the starter armies to succeed, but it does get dull if you are interested in other factions or Age of Sigmar.

I'll had 0 problems with the Plague Marines 7-man kit if his cost where 70% of the Rubric or other 10-man=40€ boxes kits.

But they cost the same, for a unit that is comparative in basically everything with many other units.

Is like Bloodreavers costing 47€ for 20 and Kairic Acolytes costing 40€ for 20. You can defend the Bloodreavers price, yeah, but at the end of the day they are arbitrarely more expensive for no real reason. (Funny thing, Bloodreavers are 7ppm, Kairic are 12ppm I believe, so even that argument is invalid)

Qlanth wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:

Spoiler:

Qlanth wrote:

 Papa-Schlumpf wrote:

Qlanth wrote:
Maybe it's because I've only been in this hobby for a couple of years... but I find the anger and over-entitled rage coming from this thread absolutely baffling.

People incensed that a box only comes with 7 models and claiming to be abandoning the hobby over it... I think maybe you lack some perspective...

Who exactly claimed to abandon the hobby? Please show me the quote.

People are just not excited as they were in March/April, when the first DI spoilers hit, if I remember correctly. They are just not getting the full load of DG and aim for smaller purchases or wait for a starter collection.

Also this "pricing experiment" will go in GW´s favour, just the information they get of of this, will help them to plan their later pricing and release strategies.

Uhm, you did lol

 Papa-Schlumpf wrote:
The standart bearer is a mirrored DI PM with other bits. And the champion has nothing going for him, except that nurgling, but I wont take him.
So the box of seven is a new low, that ain´t some bag of chips or other groceries, where they cheat by decreasing the content and maintaining the same prices and package. And I get a feeling, that the PM sprues will be barren as the others.

GW congrats, you played yourself. No 2000 points army with optional units for me then, just a small force. I dig the style and background of the army, but I can´t justifiy to myself this prices. I rather invest in another hobby.

On another topic: I would replace the Tallymans head with the one from the PM´s champion.

Not spending money on a release isn’t the same thing as quitting the hobby.

Thats fair. But the rhetoric being thrown around here is absolutely off the wall. Honestly it's discussions like these that make me want to quit more than anything else. it seems like no matter where I go to try and find a discussion on the new stuff all I see is horrible negativity, anger, entitlement, name calling, etc. This is in such stark contrast with people i meet IRL who are happy with the new releases.

Dude, you can´t even apologize for making an error. Swallow your digital pride.
Also if you just see the negativity in this thread, it is so because you look for it. Here are people that exchange opinions and ideas how to customize their models or make spare parts. Also some alternate producers are presented to accompany the release. Even some shop suggestion have been posted as some army projects. I can´t remember all the good stuff.
But if you just look for the negative aspects, you will only find them and only them. And just for bringing up that old platitude.

 TheCustomLime wrote:

Qlanth wrote:


Again this might be because of only being in the hobby for a couple of years... but the pricing doesn't really seem that off compared to other things I've seen released. The only unit I somewhat scoffed at was the Bloat Drone at $50 USD... but even that is going to come with a lot of cosmetic options and whatnot. And when I look back and compare that to, say, an Ad Mech Ironstrider? It's the same price but has more cosmetic options. Not to mention the $ to in-game points ratio is better for the Bloat Drone.

Sticker shock comes with every new release. I don't think the prices are -too- obscene in comparison to recent 40k releases but they are steep for monopose plastic kits.

It feels like the prices have all been comparable to other releases I've seen so far. I've seen people compare it to Rubric Marines. The Plague Marines have far more options than Rubric Marines. The models are also larger in size, and each of them is extremely distinct. The minimum unit size is 5, and really that is what everyone is running anyway (5 models in a unit with 3 plas, or with 2xBlight Launcher 1x Plas, melee with Flail, etc) so with a box of these you can make a minimum unit size plus have two options to swap in or out... or just add the two to a unit and run 5. You're getting a unit PLUS some extras which is honestly way better than 95% of other boxes being sold.

We don't know if the Death Guard Plague Marine kit will be multipose plastics. Given that most infantry releases in the Death Guard line have been monopose or near monpose they are also likely to lack many substantial option. Also, what? You're getting nickle and dimed to get the squad numbers most other marine kits give by default and yet this is better than the Tactical Squad, the Primaris Intercessors or the Space Wolves kit? Which has a ton of options too, is multi pose and plastic.

As far as the "bad models" question... I find that to be a completely useless thing to complain about. I don't care for a lot of models and armies. I don't really like the way the Adeptus Custodes Custodian Guard models look. I didn't threaten to quit the hobby over it. There will be, at minimum, 19 unique sculpts for Plague Marines when this over. If you can't find any that you like in there, then maybe you just don't like the way the army looks and you should move on? There is nothing wrong with not liking the models. but GW didn't make those models just for you. They made them for a wider audience, and I think that outside of a small group of loud complainers... the models are extremely well received. At my LGS they have a set of the new stuff on display and I just had a conversation with them on Saturday about how this may be the best selling GW release to date, and how much we all loved the Blightlord models.

Do you mean a general "you"? If not, besides Typhus I think the new Death Guard models look pretty good. If they weren't demi-monopose kits I'd consider picking up an army. That's just the feeling I got from skimming this thread.

The attitude that I am seeing in this thread is that people had some expectations about this release and they weren't met. There is nothing wrong with that. But, there is a huge gap between feeling that you're disappointed in what this was, and feeling that GW owed you something they didn't deliver. It's entitlement plain and simple. Just because you played DG before this release does NOT mean that GW is forever required to make models that fit entirely within that box. To do that would mean nothing would ever progress.

People are entitled to their opinions. They can be upset about this all they want. If they were threatening GW with violence or organizing mass boycotts then yeah I'd get that. But they are just expressing their annoyance at it.

For some, every slight criticism of GW is entitlement

It's funny, at the latest Games Workshop shareholder meeting they mentioned that they created the new GW community pages because they saw that most 3rd party places were filled with grumpy old-timers who were driving away people who were new to the hobby.

Sound familiar to anybody?

Qlanth wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:

Spoiler:

Qlanth wrote:

 Papa-Schlumpf wrote:

Qlanth wrote:
Maybe it's because I've only been in this hobby for a couple of years... but I find the anger and over-entitled rage coming from this thread absolutely baffling.

People incensed that a box only comes with 7 models and claiming to be abandoning the hobby over it... I think maybe you lack some perspective...

Who exactly claimed to abandon the hobby? Please show me the quote.

People are just not excited as they were in March/April, when the first DI spoilers hit, if I remember correctly. They are just not getting the full load of DG and aim for smaller purchases or wait for a starter collection.

Also this "pricing experiment" will go in GW´s favour, just the information they get of of this, will help them to plan their later pricing and release strategies.

Uhm, you did lol

 Papa-Schlumpf wrote:
The standart bearer is a mirrored DI PM with other bits. And the champion has nothing going for him, except that nurgling, but I wont take him.
So the box of seven is a new low, that ain´t some bag of chips or other groceries, where they cheat by decreasing the content and maintaining the same prices and package. And I get a feeling, that the PM sprues will be barren as the others.

GW congrats, you played yourself. No 2000 points army with optional units for me then, just a small force. I dig the style and background of the army, but I can´t justifiy to myself this prices. I rather invest in another hobby.

On another topic: I would replace the Tallymans head with the one from the PM´s champion.

Not spending money on a release isn’t the same thing as quitting the hobby.

Thats fair. But the rhetoric being thrown around here is absolutely off the wall. Honestly it's discussions like these that make me want to quit more than anything else. it seems like no matter where I go to try and find a discussion on the new stuff all I see is horrible negativity, anger, entitlement, name calling, etc. This is in such stark contrast with people i meet IRL who are happy with the new releases.

The nature of the internet is that you’ll get more complaints, that’s just how it is. If it’s affecting your passion for the hobby, just avoid it. Aside from that, I don’t think any complaints have been too much like horrible negativity or entitlement. Just people dissatisfied with the release for pretty understandable reasons, for the most part.

Qlanth wrote:
It's funny, at the latest Games Workshop shareholder meeting they mentioned that they created the new GW community pages because they saw that most 3rd party places were filled with grumpy old-timers who were driving away people who were new to the hobby.

Sound familiar to anybody?

Ah, I see what you did there. Because you have no retort you instead just resorted to passive aggressive name calling. Nice.

 Papa-Schlumpf wrote:

Qlanth wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:

Spoiler:

Qlanth wrote:

 Papa-Schlumpf wrote:

Qlanth wrote:
Maybe it's because I've only been in this hobby for a couple of years... but I find the anger and over-entitled rage coming from this thread absolutely baffling.

People incensed that a box only comes with 7 models and claiming to be abandoning the hobby over it... I think maybe you lack some perspective...

Who exactly claimed to abandon the hobby? Please show me the quote.

People are just not excited as they were in March/April, when the first DI spoilers hit, if I remember correctly. They are just not getting the full load of DG and aim for smaller purchases or wait for a starter collection.

Also this "pricing experiment" will go in GW´s favour, just the information they get of of this, will help them to plan their later pricing and release strategies.

Uhm, you did lol

 Papa-Schlumpf wrote:
The standart bearer is a mirrored DI PM with other bits. And the champion has nothing going for him, except that nurgling, but I wont take him.
So the box of seven is a new low, that ain´t some bag of chips or other groceries, where they cheat by decreasing the content and maintaining the same prices and package. And I get a feeling, that the PM sprues will be barren as the others.

GW congrats, you played yourself. No 2000 points army with optional units for me then, just a small force. I dig the style and background of the army, but I can´t justifiy to myself this prices. I rather invest in another hobby.

On another topic: I would replace the Tallymans head with the one from the PM´s champion.

Not spending money on a release isn’t the same thing as quitting the hobby.

Thats fair. But the rhetoric being thrown around here is absolutely off the wall. Honestly it's discussions like these that make me want to quit more than anything else. it seems like no matter where I go to try and find a discussion on the new stuff all I see is horrible negativity, anger, entitlement, name calling, etc. This is in such stark contrast with people i meet IRL who are happy with the new releases.

Dude, you can´t even apologize for making an error. Swallow your digital pride.
Also if you just see the negativity in this thread, it is so because you look for it. Here are people that exchange opinions and ideas how to customize their models or make spare parts. Also some alternate producers are presented to accompany the release. Even some shop suggestion have been posted as some army projects. I can´t remember all the good stuff.
But if you just look for the negative aspects, you will only find them and only them. And just for bringing up that old platitude.

I apologize for misinterpreting what you said.

But I won't apologize for coming to this thread and finding all this complaining. if you go through pages 98 to 103 I think you'll see an absolutely overwhelming amount of negativity that includes people decrying all of Games Workshop and claiming that the release is essentially dead-on-arrival. Please, feel free to take a deep breath, clear your mind, and review those pages with objectivity. I think you'll find that the reactions are patently absurd.

Qlanth wrote:
It's funny, at the latest Games Workshop shareholder meeting they mentioned that they created the new GW community pages because they saw that most 3rd party places were filled with grumpy old-timers who were driving away people who were new to the hobby.

Sound familiar to anybody?

So in other words they don't want the new customers to know what GW is (or at least was) capable to pull off, so they created a "safe space" in which no meanies can pollute the happy environment with stories on bad GW policies (price or else, perhaps pointing out alternativs), or attempts to monetise the term "space marine".
Same here - is unconceivable for you that people can be disappointed by the release after the excitement and in case, they should keep it for themselves or they ruin it for you.

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Qlanth wrote:


But I won't apologize for coming to this thread and finding all this complaining. if you go through pages 98 to 103 I think you'll see an absolutely overwhelming amount of negativity that includes people decrying all of Games Workshop and claiming that the release is essentially dead-on-arrival.

I think we will need another quote here buddy. Take your time this round.

No offence but you look like a shill or someone concerned the comments (that are spot-on IMHO) could somehow diminish the sales.

I have been more happy with the DG codex, and its unique army evolution more than the models released for it.

So, about the Blightlord Terminators. I am very confused on these. I was going to do combi bolters + axes for all 5. Simple, and cost effective, and easy to roll with the same loadout, right?

So I read the description on the unit "Each comes armed with a combi-bolter, and a choice of either a balesword or bubotic axe – " .

Did I read that wrong? I mean each and a choice of sure makes it sound like there is enough swords and axes for well....EACH one. Thats why I bought the kit, and dug into it without doing an inspection of the sprues. Am I wrong???

 ImAGeek wrote:

Qlanth wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:

Spoiler:

Qlanth wrote:

 Papa-Schlumpf wrote:

Qlanth wrote:
Maybe it's because I've only been in this hobby for a couple of years... but I find the anger and over-entitled rage coming from this thread absolutely baffling.

People incensed that a box only comes with 7 models and claiming to be abandoning the hobby over it... I think maybe you lack some perspective...

Who exactly claimed to abandon the hobby? Please show me the quote.

People are just not excited as they were in March/April, when the first DI spoilers hit, if I remember correctly. They are just not getting the full load of DG and aim for smaller purchases or wait for a starter collection.

Also this "pricing experiment" will go in GW´s favour, just the information they get of of this, will help them to plan their later pricing and release strategies.

Uhm, you did lol

 Papa-Schlumpf wrote:
The standart bearer is a mirrored DI PM with other bits. And the champion has nothing going for him, except that nurgling, but I wont take him.
So the box of seven is a new low, that ain´t some bag of chips or other groceries, where they cheat by decreasing the content and maintaining the same prices and package. And I get a feeling, that the PM sprues will be barren as the others.

GW congrats, you played yourself. No 2000 points army with optional units for me then, just a small force. I dig the style and background of the army, but I can´t justifiy to myself this prices. I rather invest in another hobby.

On another topic: I would replace the Tallymans head with the one from the PM´s champion.

Not spending money on a release isn’t the same thing as quitting the hobby.

Thats fair. But the rhetoric being thrown around here is absolutely off the wall. Honestly it's discussions like these that make me want to quit more than anything else. it seems like no matter where I go to try and find a discussion on the new stuff all I see is horrible negativity, anger, entitlement, name calling, etc. This is in such stark contrast with people i meet IRL who are happy with the new releases.

The nature of the internet is that you’ll get more complaints, that’s just how it is. If it’s affecting your passion for the hobby, just avoid it. Aside from that, I don’t think any complaints have been too much like horrible negativity or entitlement. Just people dissatisfied with the release for pretty understandable reasons, for the most part.

I think you're right. I just wish I had a place to kill some time discussing this stuff without having to slog through 4 pages of people claiming that what appears to be the most successful GW release to date is also the worst thing to happen to 40k. I have no problem with being disappointed. I have no problem with people who think the prices are too high. it's the stuff where people start to claim to know why they are priced that way, assign some strange ulterior motives to the pricing, or create strange conspiracy theories, that I start to get frustrated.

If you don't like it fine, if you don't want to buy it, fine, but 4-5 pages of absolutely whining and complaining is not something I want to read through.


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 Kaiyanwang wrote:

Qlanth wrote:
It's funny, at the latest Games Workshop shareholder meeting they mentioned that they created the new GW community pages because they saw that most 3rd party places were filled with grumpy old-timers who were driving away people who were new to the hobby.

Sound familiar to anybody?

So in other words they don't want the new customers to know what GW is (or at least was) capable to pull off, so they created a "safe space" in which no meanies can pollute the happy environment with stories on bad GW policies (price or else, perhaps pointing out alternativs), or attempts to monetise the term "space marine".
Same here - is unconceivable for you that people can be disappointed by the release after the excitement and in case, they should keep it for themselves or they ruin it for you.

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Qlanth wrote:


But I won't apologize for coming to this thread and finding all this complaining. if you go through pages 98 to 103 I think you'll see an absolutely overwhelming amount of negativity that includes people decrying all of Games Workshop and claiming that the release is essentially dead-on-arrival.

I think we will need another quote here buddy. Take your time this round.

No offence but you look like a shill or someone concerned the comments (that are spot-on IMHO) could somehow diminish the sales.

I've said several times that I don't mind that people are disappointed. In fact it's inevitable. But it does seem to be just a handful of people who are absolutely dominating this negative discussion. Like I said, I was taken aback by the pricing on the bloat drone... until I went and compared it to other models. I found that it was essentially priced in line with comparable units.

As far as your quote goes. I'm not going to do that. Just read from page 98 on and you'll find everything you need.

Is that true that the Blight Hauler is yet ANOTHER week off from the plague marines? Wow, this release is REALLY drawn out to the point of just being silly now. I'm glad they're spitting out other codex along side it, but it's getting silly now. At least we're getting models for everything in the codex, the old GW would have never bothered to do that.

Vaxx wrote:


Did I read that wrong? I mean each and a choice of sure makes it sound like there is enough swords and axes for well....EACH one. Thats why I bought the kit, and dug into it without doing an inspection of the sprues. Am I wrong???

There's 3 axes and 3 swords. So no, each one doesn't have a choice of either one.

The problem with the weapons is one I can understand but at this point is so common in GW kits that is more a little issue at least for me. My real problem with Blighlords is the small amount of customization they have.

They are so full of character that having duplicates or slighly different but at the end of the day same dudes is prety bad. Like, the fly-terminator. I love it, I'm totally gonna buy a box so I can have one. But having two totally erases the point of him being unique.

Is the opposite of the Stormtrooper effect, You can have all the loyalist terminators that you want because they are basically in a uniform, so they can be all the same without having a problem. But when you have duplicates of all this "ultra unique models" that individually area beautifull, it hurts.

But, well. i love troops. Troops are my favourite thing in all of Warhammer. I love to spam troops, to personalice them, etc... so personally, my biggest problem with the DG whole release is the PM box only having 7 dudes.

Really GW, just give me 10. I need to buy 3 boxes (4 5-man squads+1 hero I suppose) if I want to have round numbers and not DG marines lying around. (Because I already have the 7 from DI and the 3 from the easy-to-build kit)

The lack of customization of Blighlords and Deathsrhouds as I explained, is something too that I don't like. The no-powerfist, or only 3 axes and 3 swords, or only 1 of every combi-weapon, well. As I'm building a DG army from 0 they don't affect me that much.

But oh man... the 7-man box has really triggered me!

 Galas wrote:


They are so full of character that having duplicates or slighly different but at the end of the day same dudes is prety bad. Like, the fly-terminator. I love it, I'm totally gonna buy a box so I can have one. But having two totally erases the point of him being unique.

Personally, I am buying 4-5 boxes of Blightlords because I want to do a Plaguewing type army. I was playing with the idea of doing a full unit of the fly-terminators.

Thats other (And more expensive way) of fixing the problem. If you have 1 is cool, if you have two is weird, if you have 20 they become their own stromtroopers

This is a beautiful release with tons of kits, most other armies would kill for a release like this

i wish they would have just released 5 of them and I feel like people would feel safe with a rounder number and not be complaing so much

I can't imagine how you guys could have handled the old school metal blister ages of wargamming

Qlanth wrote:

As far as your quote goes. I'm not going to do that.

Then stop complaining about complaining.

But I am happy that everyone I talk to irl is super happy with recent GW releases and where the company is headed.

I do find myself going to non-dakka sites more often as the complaining here gets worse, so maybe others are doing that as well leaving a bigger mass of complainers here? Dunno

RIPferdy wrote:


I can't imagine how you guys could have handled the old school metal blister ages of wargamming

People appreciated the new age of plastic because allowed more customisable kits with loads of bits compared to the metal, and now we are going backwards with monopose again, and exactly THAT is the problem.

I mean does not look that difficult to understand to me.

RIPferdy wrote:
This is a beautiful release with tons of kits, most other armies would kill for a release like this

i wish they would have just released 5 of them and I feel like people would feel safe with a rounder number and not be complaing so much

I can't imagine how you guys could have handled the old school metal blister ages of wargamming

Oh yes. I think I have been pretty vocal about how I'm loving this release, the scope, how big it is, and wishing this to happen to many other armies. And have been called whiteknights sometimes for that
But the fact that I can praise GW when I think they do something good, doesn't mean that even with something I think in the general sense has been good like NithMusketeer sais, theres things, that don't feel appropiate for me. For me personally, the worst is the 7-man box of PM.

And I can agree that Dakkadakka is negative. Very, very negative, and people here has pretty strong opinions. But thats the fun! When I feel tired of all this negativity, I go to other places to remain me that not everything is bad and black and GW isn't gonna steal my cows and toss salt into my crops!

RIPferdy wrote:
But I am happy that everyone I talk to irl is super happy with recent GW releases and where the company is headed.

I agree wholeheartedly. As someone who just got into this hobby I feel like I joined at the best possible time. I also got my GF into it, and two of my close friends as well. While there is always something to nitpick, I couldn't be happier with the releases for DG and the news that they want to be doing continuous releases of this nature throughout 8e is very good news.

RIPferdy wrote:
But I am happy that everyone I talk to irl is super happy with recent GW releases and where the company is headed.

I do find myself going to non-dakka sites more often as the complaining here gets worse, so maybe others are doing that as well leaving a bigger mass of complainers here? Dunno

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 puma713 wrote:

Vaxx wrote:


Did I read that wrong? I mean each and a choice of sure makes it sound like there is enough swords and axes for well....EACH one. Thats why I bought the kit, and dug into it without doing an inspection of the sprues. Am I wrong???

There's 3 axes and 3 swords. So no, each one doesn't have a choice of either one.

I know that. Thats kind of my point.......

They make it sound like there is a choice of either, when there is not. Its worded wrong, I think.