Death Guard + Nurgle Daemons [News: Dec 30 - Jan 2018 WD with the new models]

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**Mymearan**

DarkStarSabre wrote:
RIPferdy wrote:
Haha super sure

You get 10 PMs for super cheap through the starter

3 for a good price through the add on

And then 7 ace looking ones through this!

I love my GSCs and appreciate the board game box they come in (talk about mono pose) and even like the 5 acolyte box and people on here are crying a river over this incredible release :/

Boy oh boy are your numbers wrong.

Through the starter you say? You get 7. Not 10. You get 7.

A snapfit intro box should NEVER be considered a mandatory or good idea to bulk out a collection. There's a reason they're snap fit and come on pre-coloured plastic. They're intro kits. Designed to get people started. Not supplement an existing army or compensate for odd numbers in a squad box. And that's what's being pushed here.

For a good price you say?

Back in second ed you got 5 monopose models for £5.

Now we have the choice of....

3 for £10 - one of which is a champion by default and one of which is a special weapon by default - sucks if you wanted alternative layouts, eh? Oh, and monopose.
3 for £25 - oh but these are resculpts of the DI plague marines - one is a special weapon by default too. Oh, monopose.

What a sad world we live in where people are just happy to roll over and accept sub-par sculpts and monopose standard as 'a good thing'.

Even more sad when you're willing to accept having to fork out £40 minimum for a 10 man squad which forces your squad composition by default and decry those who look at it, recoil in horror and decide to just use Mk IIIs or similar kits. I mean, hell, if you're telling me it's acceptable to drop £40 or £55 for 10 Marines...may as well buy a box of Mk IIIs and a DG Conversion kit from FW and have models that you can actually pose, get a variety of weapons with and get plenty of leftover bits to make further units look better.

Yes, all those people who have been buying monopose metals from... basically every miniature company ever since time immemorial, what a sad world they live in. Everything must be multipose plastic or it's "sub-par".

**Ubl1k**

Im an avid death guard player and think the release was a bit disappointing in a few regards but on the most part i think we seriously came off on top the 3rd Primarch to be released who is an absolute beast a crap ton of cheap models from the DI box set new units left and right that are great and IMO look great and will be a pleasure to paint and play. We got our codex early in comparison to other people. Yeah there are drawbacks and im bummed that some models wont be playable as DG legion but can still be played.

Im Loving the new releases.

**Crimson Devil**

Geifer wrote:
str00dles1 wrote:
Just curious, but do all the people that hate the "mono pose marines" also hate the skitarii kit? I don't remember people freaking out about that. Its mono pose with bodies/legs. Pretty much the same with the weapons, though you get 3 heavy weapon options. Or the Skitarii Ruststalkers/Infiltraitors. Bodies and legs are all one pose, you get different weapon arms/heads as its a duel kit. Or the Electro Priests? Monopose. Tech Priest Dominus, yup mono pose.

As someone who's assembled his first Skitarii Rangers three or four weeks ago I can say with confidence that the only reason I would ever buy more is because I want another Onager and the start collecting box includes some. The models that I built look nice, but there is precious little in the way of variety to be found so I have no incentive to assemble any more.

So yeah, as far as I'm concerned this is a step backwards and, obviously, not something that started with 8th ed.

That strikes me as an effective way to fight spam. Build in a disincentive to buying multiple kits. Probably not intentional on GW's part, but still a positive over all.

**puma713**

ZoBo wrote:
str00dles1 wrote:
Just curious, but do all the people that hate the "mono pose marines" also hate the skitarii kit? I don't remember people freaking out about that. Its mono pose with bodies/legs. Pretty much the same with the weapons, though you get 3 heavy weapon options. Or the Skitarii Ruststalkers/Infiltraitors. Bodies and legs are all one pose, you get different weapon arms/heads as its a duel kit. Or the Electro Priests? Monopose. Tech Priest Dominus, yup mono pose.

I think it's proabably got something to do with the fact that chaos players have had a dumpsterfire of a model line for years, so most of us have become so ingrained in the habits of kitbashing, part-swapping, converting, personalising, etc...that models that you just put together the one way, as they're supposed to be, by the book, and they look good - feels very odd and limiting to us

also, the lack of options and the high prices of the new kits, when we're used to fairly cheap, older kits, that usually had quite a lot of options - not as much as loyalist marines, granted, but still...

Furthermore, the Plague Marine sculpts are highly unique, as are the Blightlords. I would think the rangers/ruststalkers/infiltrators all look somewhat similar in a horde of machine-like men, but the Plague Marines - or any DG model for that matter - are so unique in their sculpt that when you start seeing multiples across the tabletop, they start to look strange. I think that is what has people frustrated about monopose and lack of customization. The Blightlords obviously suffer from this more than the upcoming Plague Marine kit though.

**NinthMusketeer**

TheCustomLime wrote:
RIPferdy wrote:
Most armies would kill for all the kits/dark imperium options this army has

This thread man

Most people would want monopose kits with limited options for high prices?

Beats nothing

**str00dles1**

puma713 wrote:
ZoBo wrote:
str00dles1 wrote:
Just curious, but do all the people that hate the "mono pose marines" also hate the skitarii kit? I don't remember people freaking out about that. Its mono pose with bodies/legs. Pretty much the same with the weapons, though you get 3 heavy weapon options. Or the Skitarii Ruststalkers/Infiltraitors. Bodies and legs are all one pose, you get different weapon arms/heads as its a duel kit. Or the Electro Priests? Monopose. Tech Priest Dominus, yup mono pose.

I think it's proabably got something to do with the fact that chaos players have had a dumpsterfire of a model line for years, so most of us have become so ingrained in the habits of kitbashing, part-swapping, converting, personalising, etc...that models that you just put together the one way, as they're supposed to be, by the book, and they look good - feels very odd and limiting to us

also, the lack of options and the high prices of the new kits, when we're used to fairly cheap, older kits, that usually had quite a lot of options - not as much as loyalist marines, granted, but still...

Furthermore, the Plague Marine sculpts are highly unique, as are the Blightlords. I would think the rangers/ruststalkers/infiltrators all look somewhat similar in a horde of machine-like men, but the Plague Marines - or any DG model for that matter - are so unique in their sculpt that when you start seeing multiples across the tabletop, they start to look strange. I think that is what has people frustrated about monopose and lack of customization. The Blightlords obviously suffer from this more than the upcoming Plague Marine kit though.

So its come full circle. Years ago people wanted in the starters and such to be unique posed minis. So GW did that, and in dark imperium, made all the DG models pretty unique. And now if someone sees the same model, their little brain explodes. I mean, even if the models were 100% pose able kits like old marine kits, there is not a lot of variations you get. You will 100% have the same looking guys. Just cause one bolter arm is slightly higher doesn't make it different from another.

I have 2 boxes of blightlords, and I don't see the problem. Yea, there is 2x of the bodies and legs, but I stuck arms all over and none of them match arms to bodies. That was super easy to do. 10 unique blightlords

If people want it really different, grab a knife and greenstuff.

What im having a hard time is understanding what timmys are complaining so much? Ones that want to fully customize their guys poses to how they see fit, but wont take the time to use a knife and greenstuff? You take all the time to build them how you want, sooooo?

Or maybe its all the old tank beards that cant handle change?

**Geifer**

Crimson Devil wrote:
Geifer wrote:
str00dles1 wrote:
Just curious, but do all the people that hate the "mono pose marines" also hate the skitarii kit? I don't remember people freaking out about that. Its mono pose with bodies/legs. Pretty much the same with the weapons, though you get 3 heavy weapon options. Or the Skitarii Ruststalkers/Infiltraitors. Bodies and legs are all one pose, you get different weapon arms/heads as its a duel kit. Or the Electro Priests? Monopose. Tech Priest Dominus, yup mono pose.

As someone who's assembled his first Skitarii Rangers three or four weeks ago I can say with confidence that the only reason I would ever buy more is because I want another Onager and the start collecting box includes some. The models that I built look nice, but there is precious little in the way of variety to be found so I have no incentive to assemble any more.

So yeah, as far as I'm concerned this is a step backwards and, obviously, not something that started with 8th ed.

That strikes me as an effective way to fight spam. Build in a disincentive to buying multiple kits. Probably not intentional on GW's part, but still a positive over all.

If only I could believe it was effective.

Seems more like it disproportionately affects modelers like me who focus on making their models look individually good from building a fluffy army (you know, one with plenty of grunts as the core and not just an assembly of random stuff) as that entails having carbon copies or spending so much time on conversion that the army never gets finished. As opposed to power gamers who only see game pieces and couldn't care less what they look like in detail.

So yeah, I beg to differ on this being a positive development.

**Galas**

My only problem is that the Death Guard Plague Marines come in a 7-man box for the same price as many others 10-man marine boxes. And yeah, I know that Sternguard are 5 for 10€ more than a Tactical box, but even being beautifull and highly customizable those are still highly overpriced.

I think they will have a good enough number of variety. Yeah, they will have fixed poses in legs and backpacks. But the front part of the chest, the head, and the arms, if they have enough variety, can work good enough.

My problem with newer kits is not as much as the variety in poses, but how lacking in "customizable" bits they are. The tactical marine box is full of purity seals, knives, guns in holsters, grenades, etc... all those little details that add to customize your army. But many kits today lack those kind of extra bitz. They give you the weapons of the squad, the base options to build the guy, probably a variety on heads and shoulders, and thats it. (For example SoS)

But even with all the little nitpicks (Ones more important than others) that this release has had at least for me personally, I'll rate it with a 8/10. Is the biggest release that GW has ever done for a new army, full of kits and models. I don't give it a 9 because from "teaser" to the final of the release we have been waiting for nearly 1 year. And even the full release of the range has been nearly 2 months. Too slow.

**Kaiyanwang**

Galas wrote:
My only problem is that the Death Guard Plague Marines come in a 7-man box for the same price as many others 10-man marine boxes. And yeah, I know that Sternguard are 5 for 10€ more than a Tactical box, but even being beautifull and highly customizable those are still highly overpriced.

I think they will have a good enough number of variety. Yeah, they will have fixed poses in legs and backpacks. But the front part of the chest, the head, and the arms, if they have enough variety, can work good enough.

My problem with newer kits is not as much as the variety in poses, but how lacking in "customizable" bits they are. The tactical marine box is full of purity seals, knives, guns in holsters, grenades, etc... all those little details that add to customize your army. But many kits today lack those kind of extra bitz. They give you the weapons of the squad, the base options to build the guy, probably a variety on heads and shoulders, and thats it. (For example SoS)

I do wonder if they want to murder the bits market. Looking at what they posted about the IG does not look like, but...

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Crimson Devil wrote:

That strikes me as an effective way to fight spam. Build in a disincentive to buying multiple kits. Probably not intentional on GW's part, but still a positive over all.

As stated above, some army works better with copypasted mooks. See scions, they look like Imperial Stormtroopers (SW) in that sense, and it fits perfectly.
I the "repeated individuality" that can be annoying (but one can convert and the army list does not give so much leverage to deploy too many PMs, regardless what our beloved design team planned*).

* I am building a reasonable number because of the weapon options and the conversion ideas, though

**Galas**

I'm pretty sure that GW has not "master evil plan" to combat any of that. And I don't believe that they even have a plan for no-models/no rules because even with that they are highly inconsistent.

To be honest, I think thats the biggest problem with all of this. How highly inconsistent they are with their policy. Some times you have a strict nomodel=no rules (Deathwatch characters), other times don't. Some times they release highly customizable and cross-compatible kits, others times they don't, etc...
Thats the reason I'm not flipping the table with DeathGuard, about how this "surely means that they are gonna kill customization. They are declaring war agains't 3rd party bitz-sellers". Nah. Probably after DG they'll release a more normal army that will be ultra customizable and cross-compatible, like they did with Genestealer Cultists. It is just totaly random.

**ZoBo**

ouch. my wallet seems to have had a bad head-on collision with a GW re-seller...turns out I'm a big-time sucker for a ~25% discount

...just ordered the plague surgeon, the tallyman, a bloat drone kit, and bloody 3 plagueburst crawlers...all things that I was probably going to leave until later, due to GW charging a bit too much for me to be comfortable with...

...also, it's beginning to dawn on me that, while going into this merely planning on adding a few bits and bobs to my current death guard army...I really am just starting a new army, aren't I?...sneaky bastards...they got me

**Desubot**

Galas wrote:
My only problem is that the Death Guard Plague Marines come in a 7-man box for the same price as many others 10-man marine boxes. And yeah, I know that Sternguard are 5 for 10€ more than a Tactical box, but even being beautifull and highly customizable those are still highly overpriced.

I think they will have a good enough number of variety. Yeah, they will have fixed poses in legs and backpacks. But the front part of the chest, the head, and the arms, if they have enough variety, can work good enough.

My problem with newer kits is not as much as the variety in poses, but how lacking in "customizable" bits they are. The tactical marine box is full of purity seals, knives, guns in holsters, grenades, etc... all those little details that add to customize your army. But many kits today lack those kind of extra bitz. They give you the weapons of the squad, the base options to build the guy, probably a variety on heads and shoulders, and thats it. (For example SoS)

But even with all the little nitpicks (Ones more important than others) that this release has had at least for me personally, I'll rate it with a 8/10. Is the biggest release that GW has ever done for a new army, full of kits and models. I don't give it a 9 because from "teaser" to the final of the release we have been waiting for nearly 1 year. And even the full release of the range has been nearly 2 months. Too slow.

I dunno. these guys seem to be a bit bigger, and far far far more complicate than baby smooth marines.

**Galas**

But not than Rubric Marines. And yeah, I know Deathwatch Kill Teams are 29€ for 5, so 58€ for 10. But those are arbitrarely overpriced too. At this point Tzeentch will be not only the Chaos God of Hope and Magic but too of "Lower prices". Their AoS models are too cheaper than their Khorne or Nurgle equivalents, or offer you better value, or both

But well. DeathGuard plague marines will end like Genestealer Cultists Acolytes. An arbitrarly overpriced box of pretty models.

**Nightlord1987**

Wow, the morose and despair is ripe in this thread... Is it time to accept the Plague Father in your hearts?

**DarkStarSabre**

Mymearan wrote:

Yes, all those people who have been buying monopose metals from... basically every miniature company ever since time immemorial, what a sad world they live in. Everything must be multipose plastic or it's "sub-par".

Perhaps you missed all the articles in various WDs over the years about why the move to plastic was a good move - it being a medium that allowed them to create more dynamic and complex sculpts with the new tech they've gotten as well.

And perhaps you've somehow overlooked the fact that when your production capabilities change to allow for more dynamic and complex miniatures stepping back to the same mono-pose sculpts that you HAD to do some 20 odd years ago because of limitations as a choice isn't just sub-par, it's border level moronic.

Any hey, ever notice that as those other companies' tech and capabilities increased and improved their sculpts changed as well, becoming more dynamic or fluid?

Or how about the fact you're now trying to compare people buying metals from several years ago to people buying plastics TODAY from a company that has openly boasted how plastic and improved production methods means they can have more dynamic sculpts?

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Crimson Devil wrote:
Geifer wrote:
str00dles1 wrote:
Just curious, but do all the people that hate the "mono pose marines" also hate the skitarii kit? I don't remember people freaking out about that. Its mono pose with bodies/legs. Pretty much the same with the weapons, though you get 3 heavy weapon options. Or the Skitarii Ruststalkers/Infiltraitors. Bodies and legs are all one pose, you get different weapon arms/heads as its a duel kit. Or the Electro Priests? Monopose. Tech Priest Dominus, yup mono pose.

As someone who's assembled his first Skitarii Rangers three or four weeks ago I can say with confidence that the only reason I would ever buy more is because I want another Onager and the start collecting box includes some. The models that I built look nice, but there is precious little in the way of variety to be found so I have no incentive to assemble any more.

So yeah, as far as I'm concerned this is a step backwards and, obviously, not something that started with 8th ed.

That strikes me as an effective way to fight spam. Build in a disincentive to buying multiple kits. Probably not intentional on GW's part, but still a positive over all.

Isn't that the opposite of their business model though?

**Bi'ios**

Are you seriously positing that their sculpts aren’t more dynamic and complex? I didn’t know that being multi-pose was a requirement there

**ZoBo**

Bi'ios wrote:
Are you seriously positing that their sculpts aren’t more dynamic and complex? I didn’t know that being multi-pose was a requirement there

yeah, I was gonna say...they seem like pretty complex sculpts to me!

...also, does anybody really want "dynamic" death guard?...just look at poor ol' typhus

**Luciferian**

Kaiyanwang wrote:
Luciferian wrote:
Anyone have any other ideas for conversion bits? I've ordered the Putrid Blightkings arms and some various chaos heads. What are some other bits that would match for shoulder pads and arms?

I built 2 mace + axe guys using the Chaos Knight but you have to carve the weapons. I love the Blightkings weapons because they are already corroded.
I kept the Fly head for the tallyman when I will buy it; I will find a bird head for the Plague Doctor.

Ooh nice idea! I am using a bunch of different heads as well, again mostly from the Blightkings kit. I can't wait to make a giant Nurgling marine! I also ordered Mk. III arms and shoulder pads, I hope they don't look out of scale.

**NinthMusketeer**

Galas wrote:
My only problem is that the Death Guard Plague Marines come in a 7-man box for the same price as many others 10-man marine boxes. And yeah, I know that Sternguard are 5 for 10€ more than a Tactical box, but even being beautifull and highly customizable those are still highly overpriced.

I think they will have a good enough number of variety. Yeah, they will have fixed poses in legs and backpacks. But the front part of the chest, the head, and the arms, if they have enough variety, can work good enough.

My problem with newer kits is not as much as the variety in poses, but how lacking in "customizable" bits they are. The tactical marine box is full of purity seals, knives, guns in holsters, grenades, etc... all those little details that add to customize your army. But many kits today lack those kind of extra bitz. They give you the weapons of the squad, the base options to build the guy, probably a variety on heads and shoulders, and thats it. (For example SoS)

But even with all the little nitpicks (Ones more important than others) that this release has had at least for me personally, I'll rate it with a 8/10. Is the biggest release that GW has ever done for a new army, full of kits and models. I don't give it a 9 because from "teaser" to the final of the release we have been waiting for nearly 1 year. And even the full release of the range has been nearly 2 months. Too slow.

I'd have a real hard time rating it anything but a 7/10

**Luciferian**

Galas wrote:
My only problem is that the Death Guard Plague Marines come in a 7-man box for the same price as many others 10-man marine boxes. And yeah, I know that Sternguard are 5 for 10€ more than a Tactical box, but even being beautifull and highly customizable those are still highly overpriced.

I think they will have a good enough number of variety. Yeah, they will have fixed poses in legs and backpacks. But the front part of the chest, the head, and the arms, if they have enough variety, can work good enough.

My problem with newer kits is not as much as the variety in poses, but how lacking in "customizable" bits they are. The tactical marine box is full of purity seals, knives, guns in holsters, grenades, etc... all those little details that add to customize your army. But many kits today lack those kind of extra bitz. They give you the weapons of the squad, the base options to build the guy, probably a variety on heads and shoulders, and thats it. (For example SoS)

But even with all the little nitpicks (Ones more important than others) that this release has had at least for me personally, I'll rate it with a 8/10. Is the biggest release that GW has ever done for a new army, full of kits and models. I don't give it a 9 because from "teaser" to the final of the release we have been waiting for nearly 1 year. And even the full release of the range has been nearly 2 months. Too slow.

I think my biggest issue with it is that no matter how you get your Plague Marines, whether it's through the new box, DI, easy to build or a combination of all three, you will end up with all kinds of stuff you won't need or can't use and a weird number of actual marines. For example, you could buy the easy to build marines to supplement your DI ones with blight launchers - except you'll end up having a bunch of champions with power fists. In order to get a large squad of 20 PM you either have to buy the new box three times or combine it with a couple of DI/easy to build sets that will have to be converted. Not very convenient compared to just buying a couple of boxes and having all of the bits you need!

**Galas**

Thats my biggest problem Luciferian, with the fact that they are 7-man box (And the price of course).

I have the DI ones and the Easy to Build Ones. The double-champion problem, I have fixed it dividing them in two 5-man squads. But I'm sorry, as much as 7 is the sacred number of Nurgle, I just can't have squads that aren't "nice" numbers.
5-10-15-20-30. And 3 for some of the more heavy infantry or vehicle squads. Those are the only numbers I can run with my squads.
Don't ask me why, it just feel wrong to have a 8-man squad, or a 13-man squad, or other number.

And please Nithmusketeer, no more 7 jokes, I'm gonna die if I ear another one at this point!

**ZoBo**

I always have, and always will run my plague marines in squads of 7 - I don't care in the slightest that it's "sub-optimal" or "inefficient" - it's "right" dammit!

I also couldn't care in the slightest about tournaments, or any kind of more competitive style games, so there's that...

**streetsamurai**

Wonderwolf wrote:
TheCustomLime wrote:
RIPferdy wrote:
Most armies would kill for all the kits/dark imperium options this army has

This thread man

Most people would want monopose kits with limited options for high prices?

GW should do things more like Infinty/Warmachine/X-Wing is probably the single most repeated theme on this board for the past 10-15 years or so (including SoB discussions).

Simply not true, at least when it comes to copy the monopose or prepainted miniatures of these games. Pretty much everybody on dakka praise the multiparts plastic kits from GW. You can't take some comments made in a completely different context and apply it to another one, and think you've made a relevant point.

**Luciferian**

ZoBo wrote:
I always have, and always will run my plague marines in squads of 7 - I don't care in the slightest that it's "sub-optimal" or "inefficient" - it's "right" dammit!

I also couldn't care in the slightest about tournaments, or any kind of more competitive style games, so there's that...

Like Galas, I can't bring myself to field weird numbers. A special weapons squad will always have 5 members etc. Only reason I'll change it up is if I happen to have the points to put in another guy and nothing else to spend them on.

**Nostromodamus**

7 isn't weird though, it's what Grandfather Nurgle likes

**Luciferian**

Sorry Pappa Nurgle, I just can't! Those points for two extra bolter guys loafing about in each squad can be much better spent on new and exciting ways to spread disease.

**H.B.M.C.**

We still have people defending a box that has 7 models for the price of 10.

This is lunacy.

Mymearan wrote:
Yes, all those people who have been buying monopose metals from... basically every miniature company ever since time immemorial, what a sad world they live in. Everything must be multipose plastic or it's "sub-par".

Y'all need help moving those goal posts? They look heavy!!!

**Binabik15**

But "insert excuse why we need a 7 man box to fit wargear and no way a third sprue is possible" instead of a normal number of models that allow for easy list building.

In other news Wayland OF COURSE can't send me my Deathshroud and Blightlords yet, I only preordered with credit I got for them finally admitting they couldn't get me a Baneblade anymorw after 50 days. Yay.libb

**ZoBo**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
We still have people defending a box that has 7 models for the price of 10.

in case you're referring to me there, nah, I just like fielding them in 7's - I'd much rather the kit had 10 models, specially for that price! - if it was a 10-man box, I'd probably grab 2-3...but that price, for 7?...that made me just go pick up 2 more whole death guard halves of dark imperium off ebay, for only $20 more than 2 boxes of plague marines...

**Galas**

ZoBo wrote:
I always have, and always will run my plague marines in squads of 7 - I don't care in the slightest that it's "sub-optimal" or "inefficient" - it's "right" dammit!

I also couldn't care in the slightest about tournaments, or any kind of more competitive style games, so there's that...

Nah, is not about competitive.

For example, when I set the volume in TV, I always go for pair numbers. For example, I will never, never, let the volume in the TV at 31, or 17, or 43. I don't know why, but it just feel wrong. I have the same problem with the number of dudes in my squads