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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
We still have people defending a box that has 7 models for the price of 10.

This is lunacy.

OR some people just aren't that bothered that there are seven models in the box, and are reacting because of instances of hyperbole?
To me, needing all your units to be in multiples of 5 is pretty weird, but if that makes people happy then more power to them. I'm not going to accuse them of lunacy just because they have a different perspective on their hobby. So long as they have fun it's all good.

You are having fun, right?

 DarkStarSabre wrote:


Perhaps you missed all the articles in various WDs over the years about why the move to plastic was a good move - it being a medium that allowed them to create more dynamic and complex sculpts with the new tech they've gotten as well.

As far as Marine models are concerned, DG are fairly dynamic and all of them are most certainly (perhaps sometimes overtly) complex sculpts.

So I´m the only one to have magnetized the easy-to-build dudes, so I can take off and switch the powerfist, knife and blight launcher?
I will alo magnetize my PM box, to be able to switch to the CC variants.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
We still have people defending a box that has 7 models for the price of 10.

This is lunacy.

 Mymearan wrote:
Yes, all those people who have been buying monopose metals from... basically every miniature company ever since time immemorial, what a sad world they live in. Everything must be multipose plastic or it's "sub-par".

Y'all need help moving those goal posts? They look heavy!!!

Where exactly did you find a ten man plague marine kit to base your argument off of?
Or are you just comparing to different kits? The Rubrics are monopose, the primaris kits are pretty stale in terms of design....
I guess you just see it all as plastic volume A compared to plastic volume B huh?
Despite this clearly not being how GW has operated for the last decade...
Oh well.
Seriously, the only reason I bother checking these forums anymore is for actual news and rumours. The only other content here is people whining.

 Denny wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
We still have people defending a box that has 7 models for the price of 10.

This is lunacy.

OR some people just aren't that bothered that there are seven models in the box, and are reacting because of instances of hyperbole?
To me, needing all your units to be in multiples of 5 is pretty weird, but if that makes people happy then more power to them. I'm not going to accuse them of lunacy just because they have a different perspective on their hobby. So long as they have fun it's all good.

You are having fun, right?

To be honest as I said, if the 7-man box was costed at 30€ instead of 40€, so they where nearly 70% the price of the Rubric Marines box, I'll have 0 problems. Yeah, I'll need to buy more boxes to field the number of dudes in my squads that I want, But at least I would not feel that, I'm being overcharged for it.
But I'm not presenting this a some kind of objetive fact. Some people find the price for the GSC Acolyte box appropiate. For me, they are overpriced, and I know that is because of their point-cost and rules. My opinion is only mine, and normally I avoid buying products that make me feel "bad" after buying them. When I buy something I wan't to feel that I have receive a great or at least good value for my money. Other people will have other standards, and thats fine.

Neronoxx wrote:

Where exactly did you find a ten man plague marine kit to base your argument off of?
Or are you just comparing to different kits? The Rubrics are monopose, the primaris kits are pretty stale in terms of design....
I guess you just see it all as plastic volume A compared to plastic volume B huh?
Despite this clearly not being how GW has operated for the last decade...
Oh well.
Seriously, the only reason I bother checking these forums anymore is for actual news and rumours. The only other content here is people whining.

ok, now you're just lying:
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/rubric-marines

 Galas wrote:

 Denny wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
We still have people defending a box that has 7 models for the price of 10.

This is lunacy.

OR some people just aren't that bothered that there are seven models in the box, and are reacting because of instances of hyperbole?
To me, needing all your units to be in multiples of 5 is pretty weird, but if that makes people happy then more power to them. I'm not going to accuse them of lunacy just because they have a different perspective on their hobby. So long as they have fun it's all good.

You are having fun, right?

To be honest as I said, if the 7-man box was costed at 30€ instead of 40€, so they where nearly 70% the price of the Rubric Marines box, I'll have 0 problems. Yeah, I'll need to buy more boxes to field the number of dudes in my squads that I want, But at least I would not feel that, I'm being overcharged for it.

A perfectly reasonable criticism. its when words like 'defend' get thrown around that I get confused. This isn't a moral question. It's not like some people are saying it's OK for GW to make new models out of babies or something. Some people just aren't bothered by the price per model and some are. The reasons vary, but someone not being bothered by fewer models doesn't make them guilty of lunacy.

You know what would be better than 10 models in the box?
11.
And you know what would be even better than that?
12.
Also, it would be even better if the set came with a jet pack.

The problem with internet discussions is that they normally end in two sides. And when every poster has different opinions that may have similarities, in many cases all of them have differences and nuances that are lost when one poster responds, not to other posters but to their "Side" of the discussion.

I have never accused anyone of "defending" GW, guilty of lunacy, or being like a wife in a toxic relationship with their husband as some posters have exemplify the relation of customers with nu-GW. I have been talking all the time about my personal perception of the fact that theres 7 marines in the box instead of 10.

And yeah, 12 marines and a jet-pack could be ultra cool, but as a GW product, probably the jetpack would be monopose

 Denny wrote:

You know what would be better than 10 models in the box?
11.
And you know what would be even better than that?
12.
Also, it would be even better if the set came with a jet pack.

Ah, the ever shifting goalposts.

The reason 10 is the number in question here is because GW operates, for the most part, in multiples of 5.

Our closest units for comparison (both CSM and SM) come in multiples of 5. Sure, there are some oddities in GKs and DW but they tend to have an insane amount of options (and aren't horrid fixed leg to torso models either).

So the number 7 is an oddity. A questionable oddity when its being priced at similar 10 model points and when the sculpts are being called into question.

An in response to people claiming the new Plague Marines are....dynamic.

When 3/7 legs have the exact same stance and the only difference is one has spikes, one has a skull on the knee and one has chainmail instead of cloth...that's not dynamic.

That's the opposite of it. I've seen people arguing that the Thousand Sons are monopose - uh...not really. When you consider that the torsos are seperate and they mix really well with the Mk IV Marines I've seen some bloody amazing and fluid Thousand Sons stuff out there.

But these DG? No, they won't mix well with anything. They've done such a job of isolating the range from its cousins that it's unreal. It's as though they are actively deterring cross kit compatibility...and these are the same people posting on WarCom and harping on about having bits boxes.

As warharms-77 as said, and even I did in other threads or sites sites, personally I'll drop the 7-man box topic. I think I made my opinion clear enough, and theres a point where reasonable criticism becomes boring, repetitive and even pointless!

 Galas wrote:
As warharms-77 as said, and even I did in other threads or sites sites, personally I'll drop the 7-man box topic. I think I made my opinion clear enough, and theres a point where reasonable criticism becomes boring, repetitive and toxic!

Don't forget entitled.

Entitlementis a very subjetive value, so no, I don't like to use it. Personally, I believe that theres a point where a topic just has run his course and bringing it back, again and again, in a internet discussion, don't offer anything more to people.
Nobody is gonna move their position and for 3rd readers, the discussion will grow boring and they'll just ignore it or stop reading the threat.
But you are right, toxic is a very strong word, I'll correct that.

There is an 8-page DG article in Oct WD which hasnt been posted online afaik, I will scan and post it later tonight. It's an enjoyable read. There is also a heavily converted grot rebel army from Maxime Pastourel in the issue. It would not be too far fetched that after his DG project was in Warhammer Visions ca. 14 months ago and we got all these DG models now that we will see new Ork buggies in a year or so. The Ork MekGun was designed by him already.

Charax wrote:

Spoiler:

Neronoxx wrote:

Where exactly did you find a ten man plague marine kit to base your argument off of?
Or are you just comparing to different kits? The Rubrics are monopose, the primaris kits are pretty stale in terms of design....
I guess you just see it all as plastic volume A compared to plastic volume B huh?
Despite this clearly not being how GW has operated for the last decade...
Oh well.
Seriously, the only reason I bother checking these forums anymore is for actual news and rumours. The only other content here is people whining.

ok, now you're just lying:
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/rubric-marines

Spoiler:

Spoiler:

Spoiler:

Not lying at all, it just appears you havent built the kit. I've built three of those kits, and they are functionally monopose. You have control over the sorceror, head direction and general lift of the gun, as well as 2 options for guns.
They're not anything but pretty models.

Neronoxx wrote:

Charax wrote:

Spoiler:

Neronoxx wrote:

Where exactly did you find a ten man plague marine kit to base your argument off of?
Or are you just comparing to different kits? The Rubrics are monopose, the primaris kits are pretty stale in terms of design....
I guess you just see it all as plastic volume A compared to plastic volume B huh?
Despite this clearly not being how GW has operated for the last decade...
Oh well.
Seriously, the only reason I bother checking these forums anymore is for actual news and rumours. The only other content here is people whining.

ok, now you're just lying:
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/rubric-marines

Spoiler:

Spoiler:

Spoiler:

Not lying at all, it just appears you havent built the kit. I've built three of those kits, and they are functionally monopose. You have control over the sorceror, head direction and general lift of the gun, as well as 2 options for guns.
They're not anything but pretty models.

Pretty sure for the most part people think of mono pose as litterally snap fit one way one pose one head position kinda thing, like those marines in dark vengance.

the rubrics have options, asides from the torso and leg position, arms heads and weapons can be shifted around to make more variants.
personally ok with this consider how many marines do you really need hunching way forward or slouching to the side while holding their guns in a goofy way.

The rubrics are nice models but honestly after playing against them a couple times I couldnt describe any differences in their models they might as well be snap fit

Same with my non-snap for vs. snap fit GSCs, I mean I call tell the difference between all of them cause they are my kids, but yeah

Neronoxx wrote:

Charax wrote:

Spoiler:

Neronoxx wrote:

[spoiler]Where exactly did you find a ten man plague marine kit to base your argument off of?
Or are you just comparing to different kits? The Rubrics are monopose, the primaris kits are pretty stale in terms of design....
I guess you just see it all as plastic volume A compared to plastic volume B huh?
Despite this clearly not being how GW has operated for the last decade...
Oh well.
Seriously, the only reason I bother checking these forums anymore is for actual news and rumours. The only other content here is people whining.

ok, now you're just lying:
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/rubric-marines

Spoiler:

Spoiler:

Spoiler:

[/spoiler]

Not lying at all, it just appears you havent built the kit. I've built three of those kits, and they are functionally monopose. You have control over the sorceror, head direction and general lift of the gun, as well as 2 options for guns.
They're not anything but pretty models.

It's funny, when I made the same point about the Space Marine Tactical Squad awhile back. I was shouted down because the tilt of the gun was an example of multi-pose.

 Galas wrote:
Entitlementis a very subjetive value, so no, I don't like to use it. Personally, I believe that theres a point where a topic just has run his course and bringing it back, again and again, in a internet discussion, don't offer anything more to people.
Nobody is gonna move their position and for 3rd readers, the discussion will grow boring and they'll just ignore it or stop reading the threat.
But you are right, toxic is a very strong word, I'll correct that.

Oh, I was being sarcastic. Considering how many people have called those who are critical of GW entitled.

There are a lot of gw fans that simply don't care about getting fleeced by higher prices for no good reason. I remember many being okay with dire avengers doubling in price as well.

I didn't mind the PBC's price myself, it was a bit, like 7 bucks, more than a predator but I really like the model.

So when the last models hit stores this largely 'Stop Liking What I Don't Like' thread gets locked, yeah? Because it stopped being News and Rumours a long while ago.

 Kirasu wrote:
There are a lot of gw fans that simply don't care about getting fleeced by higher prices for no good reason. I remember many being okay with dire avengers doubling in price as well.

People need to remember that if GW reboxed stormcast eternals from a 5man box to a 10 man box, lowering the price per model something like 45%, it was because people didn't buyed them and the feedback was mostly of them being very overpriced.
But to be honest, I think AoS is more open to those kind of "experimental" adjustments. GW knos that people will forgive them much more with 40k, because it has a stablished fanbase.

The Death Guard Designers' Notes article from October White Dwarf



Album https://imgur.com/a/1Thfl

Great article Warhams-77! What other model has sculpted Gaku Matsubayashi? Are they refering the ground-drone, or some other model?

Most likely the Blight-Hauler kit

Cruddace in the article is indicated as the "Current 40k Overlord"
*worried look at Guard codex*

AHAH NO, must be a coincidence.

 Kaiyanwang wrote:
Cruddace in the article is indicated as the "Current 40k Overlord"
*worried look at Guard codex*

AHAH NO, must be a coincidence.

You know that he's not actually a Guard player, yeah?

And seriously--look at the two Guard books he did before now. You really want to say that he made them OP now?

 ZoBo wrote:
in case you're referring to me there, nah, I just like fielding them in 7's - I'd much rather the kit had 10 models, specially for that price! - if it was a 10-man box, I'd probably grab 2-3...but that price, for 7?...that made me just go pick up 2 more whole death guard halves of dark imperium off ebay, for only $20 more than 2 boxes of plague marines...

Preferring to field them in squads of 7 is fine. My Death Guard army, prior to the DI stuff coming in, and ignoring Daemons, is made up of 7 units of 7 (1 Terminator, 4 Plague Marine, 2 Havocs). I have 2 units of 14 Plague Bearers as well.

So I don't mind 7-man units. I do mind GW selling me a 7-man box for the pice of 10 men. 9 is Tzeentch's sacred number, and they didn't sell 9-man boxes of Rubrics or Tzaangors.

 Denny wrote:
OR some people just aren't that bothered that there are seven models in the box, and are reacting because of instances of hyperbole?

It's not hyperbole. If the 7-man box cost less than the 10-man box then maybe it'd be fine. But it doesn't. It costs the same as the infantry boxes that other armies get, and they get 10 or more models in theirs. This is not right.

I liked the article. I suppose it is easy to miss little details that make these models good. Grrr... now I want to buy a thing of blightlords even though I have absolutely zero need for more nurgle terminators, outside needing to convert one to hold a flail...

 TheCustomLime wrote:
Don't forget entitled.

There's nothing entitled about feeling ripped off at a7-man box costing as much as a 10-man box.

 Galas wrote:
People need to remember that if GW reboxed stormcast eternals from a 5man box to a 10 man box, lowering the price per model something like 45%, it was because people didn't buyed them and the feedback was mostly of them being very overpriced.

People also need to remember that they released the 5-man Primaris Marine boxes (which cost more than 50% of the 10-man Primaris boxes) soon after the 10-man ones, and that the Primaris sprues have 5 miniatures on them, meaning that it is likely the Primaris release was going to mirror the Sigmarine release, only the negative feedback of the expensive 5-man Sigmarine boxes caused them to rethink their plans and double the sprue-count in each box... then release the same rip-off 5-man boxes anyway.