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 ZebioLizard2 wrote:

Agreed. Abd the direction they took nurgle in is really dissapointing. The blight Kings and maggots lords were so much better than the current happy, cutesy prancey stuff

I disagree, I miss this aspect of Nurgle that they shoved aside when 3rd edition Grimdark Grimdarkness took over everything.

The problem with this new stuff is that it captures neither aspect of Nurgle: it's far too cutesy to reflect the death and decay of Nurgle and the models that make an effort to be more like the Nurgle of old look more hyperactive than jolly.

Hyperactive? Dancing is amongst some of the things nurgle had in his portfolio given that there's an entire planet tuned to dance on Bubonicus, where mortals dance till they fall from nurgles rot and become plaguebearers, whereupon someone new takes their place.

It's mostly the paint scheme's that GW uses to show off every bit of the model which is a bit brighter then most would use for Nurgle forces.

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:
Hyperactive? Dancing is amongst some of the things nurgle had in his portfolio given that there's an entire planet tuned to dance on Bubonicus, where mortals dance till they fall from nurgles rot and become plaguebearers, whereupon someone new takes their place.

It's mostly the paint scheme's that GW uses to show off every bit of the model which is a bit brighter then most would use for Nurgle forces.

The dancers are human not Daemon and the dance itself isn't some hyperactive jumping around dance, they dance in a chain. In any case, father Nurgle and the GUOs are not dancers and are synonymous with being Jolly not hyperactive.

There's plenty on both sides of the fence. Even the GUO has both a smile face and a angry face, while the special character hardly looks jolly. For that matter, the only jolly things we've seen are one herald (paired with another herald that isn't) and the beasts (which have always been that way).

So basically people are whining over a trend that doesn't exist, like always. It's fine to not like the aesthetic of some miniatures or even a whole release, I don't see why people need to blow it up into a huge trend to try and justify their position.

 mrhappyface wrote:

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:
Hyperactive? Dancing is amongst some of the things nurgle had in his portfolio given that there's an entire planet tuned to dance on Bubonicus, where mortals dance till they fall from nurgles rot and become plaguebearers, whereupon someone new takes their place.

It's mostly the paint scheme's that GW uses to show off every bit of the model which is a bit brighter then most would use for Nurgle forces.

The dancers are human not Daemon and the dance itself isn't some hyperactive jumping around dance, they dance in a chain. In any case, father Nurgle and the GUOs are not dancers and are synonymous with being Jolly not hyperactive.

Hyperactive jumping around dance? The bagpiper there seems like he's leading a line of dancers, not jumping around.. The nurgling is like that, but that's the nurgling and neither of the GUO's are dancing, one of which is angry and one's happy.

I honestly don't know what you are seeing in this, and I really am not seeing this hyperactivity you are seeing in these models.

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
There's plenty on both sides of the fence. Even the GUO has both a smile face and a angry face, while the special character hardly looks jolly. For that matter, the only jolly things we've seen are one herald (paired with another herald that isn't) and the beasts (which have always been that way).

So basically people are whining over a trend that doesn't exist, like always. It's fine to not like the aesthetic of some miniatures or even a whole release, I don't see why people need to blow it up into a huge trend to try and justify their position.

I am whining over a trend that doesn't exist and the trend that doesn't exist is any of the jollyness or death/decay that represents Nurgle. The only argueably jolly models are the beasts but even then, like the rest of the new Nurgle line, they are more cartoonishly happy-creepy than jolly.

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
There's plenty on both sides of the fence. Even the GUO has both a smile face and a angry face, while the special character hardly looks jolly. For that matter, the only jolly things we've seen are one herald (paired with another herald that isn't) and the beasts (which have always been that way).

So basically people are whining over a trend that doesn't exist, like always. It's fine to not like the aesthetic of some miniatures or even a whole release, I don't see why people need to blow it up into a huge trend to try and justify their position.

Nice proof of your immaturity that you feel the need to call people who dont agree with you whiners

 streetsamurai wrote:

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
There's plenty on both sides of the fence. Even the GUO has both a smile face and a angry face, while the special character hardly looks jolly. For that matter, the only jolly things we've seen are one herald (paired with another herald that isn't) and the beasts (which have always been that way).

So basically people are whining over a trend that doesn't exist, like always. It's fine to not like the aesthetic of some miniatures or even a whole release, I don't see why people need to blow it up into a huge trend to try and justify their position.

Nice proof of your immaturity that you feel the need to call people who dont agree with you whiners

He's right though.

Yeah, for juvéniles and people who lack interpersonnal aptitudes ,everybodies who dont agree with you is a whiner

 streetsamurai wrote:
If you don't agree with me there's something wrong with you.

If you say so.

Nah, im perfectly ok with people disagreeing with me. I aint ok with people hurling insults cause i have different aesthetic taste

It's kinda like when people say they hate remakes of movies. Well... The original is still available. It wasn't deleted world wide and replaced with the new one. (and hey, even the It remake showed how dancing can be pretty sinister ) If people don't like a color scheme, it ain't gonna look like that out of the box anyway.... I'm a highly critical and opinionated Virgo, and even I roll my eyes at this site most of the time.

Jolly Nurgle aestetic for ever! And ever... And ever..... And everrrrrrr....

 streetsamurai wrote:

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
There's plenty on both sides of the fence. Even the GUO has both a smile face and a angry face, while the special character hardly looks jolly. For that matter, the only jolly things we've seen are one herald (paired with another herald that isn't) and the beasts (which have always been that way).

So basically people are whining over a trend that doesn't exist, like always. It's fine to not like the aesthetic of some miniatures or even a whole release, I don't see why people need to blow it up into a huge trend to try and justify their position.

Nice proof of your immaturity that you feel the need to call people who dont agree with you whiners

Which isn't at all what I did, but nice try.

Again...

RULE #1 is BE POLITE.

RULE #2 is STAY ON TOPIC.

BOTH RULES ARE MANDATORY.

Nurglings and Beasts of Nurgle and Great Unclean Ones laughing at Nurgling antics (including Nurgle himself laughing at Ku'Gath's antics) show that jolliness has always been an aspect of Nurgle, although Plaguebearers were specifically not that aspect.

Of course, as someone else pointed out, that bagpipe plaguebearer is more the exception that confirms the norm, with his fluff specifically stating that other plaguebearers have no sense of humour.

Yes it always was an aspect of nurgle, but it was, imo, more nuanced than it is now.


When i saw thses new nurgle models, the first thing that came to my mind is monster inc. Which is not a good thing.

Same thing for most of the death guard also. Which is a shame, since the et nurgle models were probably among my favorites ever

 streetsamurai wrote:
Yes it always was an aspect of nurgle, but it was, imo, more nuanced than it is now.


When i saw thses new nurgle models, the first thing that came to my mind is monster inc. Which is not a good thing.

Same thing for most of the death guard also. Which is a shame, since the et nurgle models were probably among my favorites ever

As others have mentioned, I think toning down the paint scheme would help with that. How much I'm not sure, but I know that the FE GUO certainly gives off a much different vibe when painted like these preview models have been.

 NinthMusketeer wrote:

 streetsamurai wrote:
Yes it always was an aspect of nurgle, but it was, imo, more nuanced than it is now.


When i saw thses new nurgle models, the first thing that came to my mind is monster inc. Which is not a good thing.

Same thing for most of the death guard also. Which is a shame, since the et nurgle models were probably among my favorites ever

As others have mentioned, I think toning down the paint scheme would help with that. How much I'm not sure, but I know that the FE GUO certainly gives off a much different vibe when painted like these preview models have been.

GW’s painters make everything look cartoonish and fake. I really wish GW would start showing us assembled but unpainted minis in their website alongside the painted ones. Personally, I find it much easier to judge how much I like a model when I see it unpainted.

As I understand it the paint jobs are made that way to show the details of the kit better. I'm not sure if it's worth making the miniature look less appealing, but then I'm not sure how many are bothered enough by that they don't buy when they would have otherwise.

Regardless I agree that showing assembled & unpainted would be a good idea.

Nurgle models can probably get away with a lot less paints to be table ready. I remember a WD article that showed white primed, minor details, then washes to take care of Plague Bearerers en mass. Perhaps the GW teams encourage a wider display of colors to promote the paint line better? I myself use at least about 10 or so different colors on each model, and speed painting becomes week long painting.

They also are promoting the whole brush line too, so make sure you get your base, highlights, fine, washes, etc for every official GW painted model. Which is why the highlights on their models are always so obvious and deliberate.

I see a lot of cheerleading for the 'eavy metal guys and very little tin-foil-hatting about the little snippets of text regarding possible rule implications.

I guess it's pretty straightforward when it comes to the two herald types, but I'm stoked now to see what they do for the GUO in order to "properly reflect the expanded weapon options (not to mention bulk!) now available in the kit."

Anyone else think that points to a statline increase more in keeping with the GUO of the past?

Zmoney716 wrote:
I see a lot of cheerleading for the 'eavy metal guys and very little tin-foil-hatting about the little snippets of text regarding possible rule implications.

I guess it's pretty straightforward when it comes to the two herald types, but I'm stoked now to see what they do for the GUO in order to "properly reflect the expanded weapon options (not to mention bulk!) now available in the kit."

Anyone else think that points to a statline increase more in keeping with the GUO of the past?

Think of it more like the new Bloodthirster and Lord of Change.

To put it in perspective though, they showed off the AoS stats for the new Great Unclean One.

That is a boost of 6 Wounds for it.

The current GUO has the same stats as the lean and slippery Keeper of Secrets, just alot slower...

16 wounds is a good start. 18 would be better and put him ahead of the others.

Can we hope for a "decent" lucius the eternal model?

 reluxor wrote:
Can we hope for a "decent" lucius the eternal model?

Yes. Seeing as that Typhus, Kharn and Ahriman got new models, Lucius is virtually certain to get a new one as well. GW is probably going to do an Emperor's Children/Slaanesh release coming year. Whether the model will be decent? That is subjective. But given GW's skills at making awesome minis, I think it is a safe bet to say that it will be ace.

 Kanluwen wrote:

Zmoney716 wrote:
I see a lot of cheerleading for the 'eavy metal guys and very little tin-foil-hatting about the little snippets of text regarding possible rule implications.

I guess it's pretty straightforward when it comes to the two herald types, but I'm stoked now to see what they do for the GUO in order to "properly reflect the expanded weapon options (not to mention bulk!) now available in the kit."

Anyone else think that points to a statline increase more in keeping with the GUO of the past?

Think of it more like the new Bloodthirster and Lord of Change.

To put it in perspective though, they showed off the AoS stats for the new Great Unclean One.

That is a boost of 6 Wounds for it.

To put this in perspective, in AoS, the Bloodthirsty and Lord of Change each have 14 wounds, 4+ save, 10 bravery, and starts at 10" move (reduced as they take damage). The GUO will have +2 wounds and the speed, which makes a lot of sense given the lore. He'll also regenerate wounds, and probably have a save-after-the-save a la Disgustingly Resilient.

Never forget that Nurgle isn't the God of Death; he's the God of Decay and Rebirth. The latter is every bit as important as the former to Nurgle, otherwise what's the point? There's a reason why the upcoming Malign Portents campaign features the Maggotkin so heavily, and that's due to Nurgle having a vested interest in preventing the world from falling into a state of undeath.

I love the new Heralds. The Sloppity Bilepiper to me is a combination of the Pied Piper and depictions of the Danse Macabre, whereas the Spoilpox Scrivener looks like some horrific Heironymus Bosch creation, especially with a more muted, earthly colour scheme. I really do think they're brilliant, in Nurgle's morbid fashion.

You're welcome to hate the colour scheme, it's certainly not to my preference, but as far as I'm concerned, the aesthetic is pretty bang on the money. It only seems too upbeat because of the vibrancy of the paints used.

Pretty much what Mr The Biovore said.

Nurgle is all about fecundity. He loves life, and wants to create as much of it as possibly. Sure, he might have you stabbed up, but look at all the little microbes and bugs and crawling things birthed by your death. When you see all life as equal, that's a no brainer equation. Take one life to create trillions.

Aye the only problem I have/see with the new models is the absolutely horrific names GW gave the Heralds, and I suppose the cartoony paint jobs..

"Sloppity Bilepiper" sounds like something a kindergartener would come up with.

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:


"Sloppity Bilepiper" sounds like something a kindergartener would come up with.

That's almost as bad as calling ultramarine-coloured Marines "Ultramarines" or making an angry guy called "Angron".