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 Azreal13 wrote:

 EnTyme wrote:
I was expecting the GUO to be price about $20 cheaper, too, but I'm trying to point out that the price increases isn't for "no reason". This thing is going to take more plastic to mold than any of the other greater daemons. To me, the most ridiculous price is on the Beast of Nurgle. For $40, you should be getting at least two models, or a special character that requires two sprues.

If your theory of three sprues vs two is correct (and there's no evidence of this, wings take up an awful lot of sprue real estate that the GUO can repurpose for other stuff) then there is a vague justification for a price increase, although the per-unit cost increase of an extra sprue won't be anything like the price increase.

But please stop banging on about more plastic as some sort of excuse, the raw material costs of plastic models is tiny, and cannot possibly explain the jump.

Its more the cost for making 3 molds instead of just 2. If that is the case comparitively with the GDs then I can see why it costs a bit more, although GW do just make price increases for new models in general when compared to 'older' kits

To be honest I can understand the difference between the old 20€ Beast of Nurgle and the new 32,5€ of Nurgle. The difference in quality is right there.

But they should have changed his rules and point cost too, like with the GUO, to make it a better "perceived" value for your money.

The box on the page with all the Nurgle boxes on it is thicker than the Glotkin box so it will be three sprues.

 Galas wrote:
To be honest I can understand the difference between the old 20€ Beast of Nurgle and the new 32,5€ of Nurgle. The difference in quality is right there.

But they should have changed his rules and point cost too, like with the GUO, to make it a better "perceived" value for your money.

Do we know they didn't?

 Inquisitor Kallus wrote:

 Azreal13 wrote:

 EnTyme wrote:
I was expecting the GUO to be price about $20 cheaper, too, but I'm trying to point out that the price increases isn't for "no reason". This thing is going to take more plastic to mold than any of the other greater daemons. To me, the most ridiculous price is on the Beast of Nurgle. For $40, you should be getting at least two models, or a special character that requires two sprues.

If your theory of three sprues vs two is correct (and there's no evidence of this, wings take up an awful lot of sprue real estate that the GUO can repurpose for other stuff) then there is a vague justification for a price increase, although the per-unit cost increase of an extra sprue won't be anything like the price increase.

But please stop banging on about more plastic as some sort of excuse, the raw material costs of plastic models is tiny, and cannot possibly explain the jump.

Its more the cost for making 3 molds instead of just 2. If that is the case comparitively with the GDs then I can see why it costs a bit more, although GW do just make price increases for new models in general when compared to 'older' kits

That's an assumption and I addressed it.

What ever happened to harassing the WarhammerTV team on their stream for little tid bits? They'd probably give hints as to whether the new Daemons will get new rules.

@Ninth I think the Beast was in the DG codex, but it could change in Chaos Daemons or Maggotkin. If I remember right, the Lord of Change had the same rules in the Wrath of Magnus, but changed to the new scroll in the Thousand Sons codex.

Less the plastic content than the machine time if the guesses on the sprues is accurate,

you can make 3 of the old GD in the time its going to take to make 2 of the GUO (not including the change over time for the moulds so the comparison will be even less favourable than in reality)

which is frustrating but probably a reasonable reason for the price (unlike mr beastie who does seem expensive)

 NinthMusketeer wrote:

 Galas wrote:
To be honest I can understand the difference between the old 20€ Beast of Nurgle and the new 32,5€ of Nurgle. The difference in quality is right there.

But they should have changed his rules and point cost too, like with the GUO, to make it a better "perceived" value for your money.

Do we know they didn't?

It could change. But a little strange to not put the new rules in the DG codex, when in that codex they used the art for the new version of the Beast of Nurgle already.

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
Less the plastic content than the machine time if the guesses on the sprues is accurate,

you can make 3 of the old GD in the time its going to take to make 2 of the GUO (not including the change over time for the moulds so the comparison will be even less favourable than in reality)

which is frustrating but probably a reasonable reason for the price (unlike mr beastie who does seem expensive)

Wouldn't you also be able to make 2 of the old GD in the time it takes to make 2 of the new BT or LoC? How does that explain the price gap?

 Azreal13 wrote:

 Inquisitor Kallus wrote:

 Azreal13 wrote:

 EnTyme wrote:
I was expecting the GUO to be price about $20 cheaper, too, but I'm trying to point out that the price increases isn't for "no reason". This thing is going to take more plastic to mold than any of the other greater daemons. To me, the most ridiculous price is on the Beast of Nurgle. For $40, you should be getting at least two models, or a special character that requires two sprues.

If your theory of three sprues vs two is correct (and there's no evidence of this, wings take up an awful lot of sprue real estate that the GUO can repurpose for other stuff) then there is a vague justification for a price increase, although the per-unit cost increase of an extra sprue won't be anything like the price increase.

But please stop banging on about more plastic as some sort of excuse, the raw material costs of plastic models is tiny, and cannot possibly explain the jump.

Its more the cost for making 3 molds instead of just 2. If that is the case comparitively with the GDs then I can see why it costs a bit more, although GW do just make price increases for new models in general when compared to 'older' kits

That's an assumption and I addressed it.

Realistically, it comes down to the practice that GW's been doing for the past 5 or so years...
They don't raise prices on old kits, but they set the prices higher on new ones instead.

GW is clearly targeting this at kids.

 Kanluwen wrote:

Spoiler:

 Azreal13 wrote:

 Inquisitor Kallus wrote:

 Azreal13 wrote:

 EnTyme wrote:
I was expecting the GUO to be price about $20 cheaper, too, but I'm trying to point out that the price increases isn't for "no reason". This thing is going to take more plastic to mold than any of the other greater daemons. To me, the most ridiculous price is on the Beast of Nurgle. For $40, you should be getting at least two models, or a special character that requires two sprues.

If your theory of three sprues vs two is correct (and there's no evidence of this, wings take up an awful lot of sprue real estate that the GUO can repurpose for other stuff) then there is a vague justification for a price increase, although the per-unit cost increase of an extra sprue won't be anything like the price increase.

But please stop banging on about more plastic as some sort of excuse, the raw material costs of plastic models is tiny, and cannot possibly explain the jump.

Its more the cost for making 3 molds instead of just 2. If that is the case comparitively with the GDs then I can see why it costs a bit more, although GW do just make price increases for new models in general when compared to 'older' kits

That's an assumption and I addressed it.

Realistically, it comes down to the practice that GW's been doing for the past 5 or so years...
They don't raise prices on old kits, but they set the prices higher on new ones instead.

Which I also mentioned ITT several days ago, although I certainly didn't expect a hike of this magnitude. But then the scale of their price increases is something that GW have always managed to consistently exceed expectations on.

 Azreal13 wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

Realistically, it comes down to the practice that GW's been doing for the past 5 or so years...
They don't raise prices on old kits, but they set the prices higher on new ones instead.

Which I also mentioned ITT several days ago, although I certainly didn't expect a hike of this magnitude. But then the scale of their price increases is something that GW have always managed to consistently exceed expectations on.

I definitely didn't expect to see a $25 price bump compared to the BT or LoC. But then again, I didn't expect Stardrakes or the like at $140 either.

I think they've just settled at $140 as a 'good' price point for a big showcase model.

 Galas wrote:
To be honest I can understand the difference between the old 20€ Beast of Nurgle and the new 32,5€ of Nurgle. The difference in quality is right there.

But they should have changed his rules and point cost too, like with the GUO, to make it a better "perceived" value for your money.

Remember the beast already got a decent buff in the DG codex I do believe. An extra wound and a new rule. Unless I'm confusing it with something else.

Daedalus81 wrote:GW is clearly targeting this at kids.

How is that aimed at kids?

Davor wrote:

Daedalus81 wrote:GW is clearly targeting this at kids.

How is that aimed at kids?

And behold: the in fighting.

Davor wrote:

Daedalus81 wrote:GW is clearly targeting this at kids.

How is that aimed at kids?

Sarcasm...

Well, it's for kids because the guy on the right is smiling I guess. Also there's slightly more color than poop brown so it's practically fething My Little Pony.

So the pipe of the Bilepiper are actually the rest of the previous one... they are "diseased" and sick plaguebearers that are happy and dance until they die from it... yeah, totally "cartoony" and not grimdark in any shape or form.

 Galas wrote:
To be honest I can understand the difference between the old 20€ Beast of Nurgle and the new 32,5€ of Nurgle. The difference in quality is right there.

The difference in aesthetic quality, though, not the quality of the sculpt or moulds. It just looks more like a Beast of Nurgle, which isn't a 12.50 Euros feature. Personally, for that price jump, I'd expect more customization, or at least not be stuck with the 'right paw salute' pose on every. single. model.

 Galas wrote:

Spoiler:

So the pipe of the Bilepiper are actually the rest of the previous one... they are "diseased" and sick plaguebearers that are happy and dance until they die from it... yeah, totally "cartoony" and not grimdark in any shape or form.

It's an inventive way to teach kids recycling.

 mrhappyface wrote:

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
Less the plastic content than the machine time if the guesses on the sprues is accurate,

you can make 3 of the old GD in the time its going to take to make 2 of the GUO (not including the change over time for the moulds so the comparison will be even less favourable than in reality)

which is frustrating but probably a reasonable reason for the price (unlike mr beastie who does seem expensive)

Wouldn't you also be able to make 2 of the old GD in the time it takes to make 2 of the new BT or LoC? How does that explain the price gap?

I was meaning the the Lord of CHange and the Bloodthirster kits both only need 2 (large) sprues (6 sprues produced = 3 complete kits), the expectation is that new GUO is going to need 3 (large) sprues (so 6 sprues produced only makes 2 complete kits)

Edit: if they do manage to do the new GUO in 2 sprues I will indeed agree they're playing a bit to fast and loose with the price on it too

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:

 mrhappyface wrote:

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
Less the plastic content than the machine time if the guesses on the sprues is accurate,

you can make 3 of the old GD in the time its going to take to make 2 of the GUO (not including the change over time for the moulds so the comparison will be even less favourable than in reality)

which is frustrating but probably a reasonable reason for the price (unlike mr beastie who does seem expensive)

Wouldn't you also be able to make 2 of the old GD in the time it takes to make 2 of the new BT or LoC? How does that explain the price gap?

I was meaning the the Lord of CHange and the Bloodthirster kits both only need 2 (large) sprues (6 sprues produced = 3 complete kits), the expectation is that new GUO is going to need 3 (large) sprues (so 6 sprues produced only makes 2 complete kits)

Edit: if they do manage to do the new GUO in 2 sprues I will indeed agree they're playing a bit to fast and loose with the price on it too

"the expectation", according to a few people in this thread.

so is the the blight tree a fortification or no? rules are in the chaos codex which makes it seem like a fortification but they also call it scenery?

Don't really know yet, but it's the only thing that hasn't been featured so far, so I would imagine we'll find out tomorrow.

Voss wrote:

 Galas wrote:
To be honest I can understand the difference between the old 20€ Beast of Nurgle and the new 32,5€ of Nurgle. The difference in quality is right there.

The difference in aesthetic quality, though, not the quality of the sculpt or moulds. It just looks more like a Beast of Nurgle, which isn't a 12.50 Euros feature. Personally, for that price jump, I'd expect more customization, or at least not be stuck with the 'right paw salute' pose on every. single. model.

I disagree with the first half of your assertion. The difference is there with the previous beast one, both of the sculpt and the moulds. The level of detail, of variety, etc... is much much higher. I agree with your second assertion. I know nurgle is very hard to make "Multipose" because the limitations of making models of things so organic in nature, so instead they go with customization of details. But they could have had at least two different body poses. That, combined with a ton of bitzs, could had make a great difference.

GrimmT wrote:
so is the the blight tree a fortification or no? rules are in the chaos codex which makes it seem like a fortification but they also call it scenery?

I guess its 40k rules will be similiar to its AoS rules

 Azreal13 wrote:

 Inquisitor Kallus wrote:

 Azreal13 wrote:

 EnTyme wrote:
I was expecting the GUO to be price about $20 cheaper, too, but I'm trying to point out that the price increases isn't for "no reason". This thing is going to take more plastic to mold than any of the other greater daemons. To me, the most ridiculous price is on the Beast of Nurgle. For $40, you should be getting at least two models, or a special character that requires two sprues.

If your theory of three sprues vs two is correct (and there's no evidence of this, wings take up an awful lot of sprue real estate that the GUO can repurpose for other stuff) then there is a vague justification for a price increase, although the per-unit cost increase of an extra sprue won't be anything like the price increase.

But please stop banging on about more plastic as some sort of excuse, the raw material costs of plastic models is tiny, and cannot possibly explain the jump.

Its more the cost for making 3 molds instead of just 2. If that is the case comparitively with the GDs then I can see why it costs a bit more, although GW do just make price increases for new models in general when compared to 'older' kits

That's an assumption and I addressed it.

Well i'm glad you could clear that up for us Mr GW

Warhams-77 wrote:

GrimmT wrote:
so is the the blight tree a fortification or no? rules are in the chaos codex which makes it seem like a fortification but they also call it scenery?

I guess its 40k rules will be similiar to its AoS rules

Spoiler:

cheers, thanks for this. is the rest of this battle report in your scanned pics?