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 Inquisitor Kallus wrote:

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 Azreal13 wrote:

 Inquisitor Kallus wrote:

 Azreal13 wrote:

 EnTyme wrote:
I was expecting the GUO to be price about $20 cheaper, too, but I'm trying to point out that the price increases isn't for "no reason". This thing is going to take more plastic to mold than any of the other greater daemons. To me, the most ridiculous price is on the Beast of Nurgle. For $40, you should be getting at least two models, or a special character that requires two sprues.

If your theory of three sprues vs two is correct (and there's no evidence of this, wings take up an awful lot of sprue real estate that the GUO can repurpose for other stuff) then there is a vague justification for a price increase, although the per-unit cost increase of an extra sprue won't be anything like the price increase.

But please stop banging on about more plastic as some sort of excuse, the raw material costs of plastic models is tiny, and cannot possibly explain the jump.

Its more the cost for making 3 molds instead of just 2. If that is the case comparitively with the GDs then I can see why it costs a bit more, although GW do just make price increases for new models in general when compared to 'older' kits

That's an assumption and I addressed it.

Well i'm glad you could clear that up for us Mr GW

Remove ass from hand there chap. Nobody knows it'll be three sprues, that's just something that people who feel compelled to try and justify the increase have advanced as a possibility for why. In the post you quoted, I had already discussed the whole cost of 3 dies vs 2 dies as something that could (tenuously) explain the price difference, making your statement "Its more the cost for making 3 molds instead of just 2" irrelevant. If you're not going to read what I've written, don't be surprised when I point out you're repeating something that's already been said.

 Azreal13 wrote:

 Inquisitor Kallus wrote:

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 Azreal13 wrote:

 Inquisitor Kallus wrote:

 Azreal13 wrote:

 EnTyme wrote:
I was expecting the GUO to be price about $20 cheaper, too, but I'm trying to point out that the price increases isn't for "no reason". This thing is going to take more plastic to mold than any of the other greater daemons. To me, the most ridiculous price is on the Beast of Nurgle. For $40, you should be getting at least two models, or a special character that requires two sprues.

If your theory of three sprues vs two is correct (and there's no evidence of this, wings take up an awful lot of sprue real estate that the GUO can repurpose for other stuff) then there is a vague justification for a price increase, although the per-unit cost increase of an extra sprue won't be anything like the price increase.

But please stop banging on about more plastic as some sort of excuse, the raw material costs of plastic models is tiny, and cannot possibly explain the jump.

Its more the cost for making 3 molds instead of just 2. If that is the case comparitively with the GDs then I can see why it costs a bit more, although GW do just make price increases for new models in general when compared to 'older' kits

That's an assumption and I addressed it.

Well i'm glad you could clear that up for us Mr GW

Remove ass from hand there chap. Nobody knows it'll be three sprues, that's just something that people who feel compelled to try and justify the increase have advanced as a possibility for why. In the post you quoted, I had already discussed the whole cost of 3 dies vs 2 dies as something that could (tenuously) explain the price difference, making your statement "Its more the cost for making 3 molds instead of just 2" irrelevant. If you're not going to read what I've written, don't be surprised when I point out you're repeating something that's already been said.

It’s 99% sure it’s gonna be 3 sprues, as the box is thicker than the others on the poster with all the boxes. Whether it justifies anything or not is different.

GrimmT wrote:

Warhams-77 wrote:

GrimmT wrote:
so is the the blight tree a fortification or no? rules are in the chaos codex which makes it seem like a fortification but they also call it scenery?

I guess its 40k rules will be similiar to its AoS rules

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cheers, thanks for this. is the rest of this battle report in your scanned pics?

Yes, but only about eight pages of it.

 ImAGeek wrote:

 Azreal13 wrote:

 Inquisitor Kallus wrote:

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 Azreal13 wrote:

 Inquisitor Kallus wrote:

 Azreal13 wrote:

 EnTyme wrote:
I was expecting the GUO to be price about $20 cheaper, too, but I'm trying to point out that the price increases isn't for "no reason". This thing is going to take more plastic to mold than any of the other greater daemons. To me, the most ridiculous price is on the Beast of Nurgle. For $40, you should be getting at least two models, or a special character that requires two sprues.

If your theory of three sprues vs two is correct (and there's no evidence of this, wings take up an awful lot of sprue real estate that the GUO can repurpose for other stuff) then there is a vague justification for a price increase, although the per-unit cost increase of an extra sprue won't be anything like the price increase.

But please stop banging on about more plastic as some sort of excuse, the raw material costs of plastic models is tiny, and cannot possibly explain the jump.

Its more the cost for making 3 molds instead of just 2. If that is the case comparitively with the GDs then I can see why it costs a bit more, although GW do just make price increases for new models in general when compared to 'older' kits

That's an assumption and I addressed it.

Well i'm glad you could clear that up for us Mr GW

Remove ass from hand there chap. Nobody knows it'll be three sprues, that's just something that people who feel compelled to try and justify the increase have advanced as a possibility for why. In the post you quoted, I had already discussed the whole cost of 3 dies vs 2 dies as something that could (tenuously) explain the price difference, making your statement "Its more the cost for making 3 molds instead of just 2" irrelevant. If you're not going to read what I've written, don't be surprised when I point out you're repeating something that's already been said.

It’s 99% sure it’s gonna be 3 sprues, as the box is thicker than the others on the poster with all the boxes. Whether it justifies anything or not is different.

What, this image?

Doesn't look to be any bigger than the Glotkin or Maggoth boxes, and I believe they're both 2 sprues? (And a notable amount cheaper.)

Ultimately there is no justifiable technical reason why this costs so much more. GW think they can get away with it, so they're going to charge it, and people need to stop trying to justify this with arguments about raw material costs or "quality." They're tenuous arguments and will never stand up to scrutiny. If you're ok with the price, no problem, but there's little point in trying to justify the unjustifiable to people who have a problem with it. They're not wrong, they just think differently, and any attempt to argue against it are going to get torpedoed by facts and logic.

The Great Unclean One box looks to be about the same size as the Stardrake/Archaon just without the super fancy slipcase.

But it's something that is kind of difficult to figure out from just a picture like that.

Davor wrote:

Daedalus81 wrote:GW is clearly targeting this at kids.

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How is that aimed at kids?

Looks like an average elementary school assembly to me.


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Warhams-77 wrote:

GrimmT wrote:
so is the the blight tree a fortification or no? rules are in the chaos codex which makes it seem like a fortification but they also call it scenery?

I guess its 40k rules will be similiar to its AoS rules

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A bit of a tangent, but wow that army list is bad. It could be made significantly stronger by changing the way the models are organized into units.

 Azreal13 wrote:

What, this image?

No



These box sizes may mean nothing though

I don't see the warhammer 40k branding on the tree.

 shinros wrote:
I don't see the warhammer 40k branding on the tree.

Already confirmed for 40k so who cares?

Excitement slightly diminished, but if the big guy has good rules to make him survivable in current 40k, i might give in after tax return season. He needs a 4+FNP at the very least with that slow movement.

GrimmT wrote:

 shinros wrote:
I don't see the warhammer 40k branding on the tree.

Already confirmed for 40k so who cares?

Because either the picture or whoever confirmed it's rules for 40K is wrong.

Heres to hoping the rules for Nurgle daemons will work with Death Guard well

I wouldn't be using a promo image to judge box sizes. Those are compiled using mock-up images, and may not necessarily represent the actual size of the box. They're just for advertising purposes.

 Ghaz wrote:

GrimmT wrote:

 shinros wrote:
I don't see the warhammer 40k branding on the tree.

Already confirmed for 40k so who cares?

Because either the picture or whoever confirmed it's rules for 40K is wrong.

That start collecting box doesn't have 40k branding for the record, despite having cross compatible units for both systems.

 Sidstyler wrote:
I dunno if you guys realized this or not but the models are sold unpainted and unassembled. So like...you can paint them. With your own preferred brand of paint. In whatever colors and styles you want.

Sorry if I sound like an ass but some of you act like you really don't know and I just wanted to help out.

 EnTyme wrote:
I saw those movies when I was about the same age. Doesn't make them kid-friendly.

Yeah, if that's the argument being made here then you guys are wrong. Starship Troopers is not a "kiddie movie" because your parents didn't give a gak and let you watch it when you were too young. Aliens however is pretty tame, at least compared to the first one, so I guess that counts.

I guess no one else grew up with a mom who fell for that 80's hysteria about D&D/tabletop being "satanic"?

"Kid friendly" is any movie that doesn't leave adverse effects on a child.

Ergo if you can sit there as a kid and watch Starship Troopers without ill after effects then it's fine. The notion that violence/sex= not kid friendly is baby boomer nonsense platitudes.

So no. Aliens and SST are not only fine for kids but kids watching things like them is a pretty ordinary part of childhood. Kids LIKE violent films.

 BlaxicanX wrote:

 Sidstyler wrote:
I dunno if you guys realized this or not but the models are sold unpainted and unassembled. So like...you can paint them. With your own preferred brand of paint. In whatever colors and styles you want.

Sorry if I sound like an ass but some of you act like you really don't know and I just wanted to help out.

 EnTyme wrote:
I saw those movies when I was about the same age. Doesn't make them kid-friendly.

Yeah, if that's the argument being made here then you guys are wrong. Starship Troopers is not a "kiddie movie" because your parents didn't give a gak and let you watch it when you were too young. Aliens however is pretty tame, at least compared to the first one, so I guess that counts.

I guess no one else grew up with a mom who fell for that 80's hysteria about D&D/tabletop being "satanic"?

"Kid friendly" is any movie that doesn't leave adverse effects on a child.


Ergo if you can sit there as a kid and watch Starship Troopers without ill after effects then it's fine. The notion that violence/sex= not kid friendly is baby boomer nonsense platitudes.

So no. Aliens and SST are not only fine for kids but kids watching things like them is a pretty ordinary part of childhood. Kids LIKE violent films.

I still can't be near toys in case they come to life and attack me like they did Sid! Ergo "Toy Story" is not a kid friendly film

 EnTyme wrote:
I wouldn't be using a promo image to judge box sizes. Those are compiled using mock-up images, and may not necessarily represent the actual size of the box. They're just for advertising purposes.

But they’ll be compiled from the box graphics that are used to print the box. All the existing boxes are sized right. I’d put good money on it being a 3 sprue kit.

 Red Corsair wrote:

 Ghaz wrote:

GrimmT wrote:

 shinros wrote:
I don't see the warhammer 40k branding on the tree.

Already confirmed for 40k so who cares?

Because either the picture or whoever confirmed it's rules for 40K is wrong.

That start collecting box doesn't have 40k branding for the record, despite having cross compatible units for both systems.

The product description in White Dwarf is explicit in that the tree is both for 40k and Age of Sigmar.

Yes, yes, White Dwarf has had errors in it in the past, but it's as official as it gets until we actually see the codex and right now there's no reason to doubt it will have 40k rules.

“sloppity bilepiper”!?!? Even by GW’s naming standards that’s laughably stupid. But, hey, I’m sure it’s protectable IP. If only because no one else would want it...

Valete,

JohnS

 cygnnus wrote:
“sloppity bilepiper”!?!? Even by GW’s naming standards that’s laughably stupid. But, hey, I’m sure it’s protectable IP. If only because no one else would want it...

Valete,

JohnS

Considering how they are meant to be perpetually cheerful jesters, I think having a stupid name is kind of the point

re the tree in 40K: all I read is that it can be used as scenery in 40K. It doesn't mention that it has any rules for 40K. IE it can be used to add character to your board. Maybe that's why it doesn't have the 40K banner on the box.

 bubber wrote:
re the tree in 40K: all I read is that it can be used as scenery in 40K. It doesn't mention that it has any rules for 40K. IE it can be used to add character to your board. Maybe that's why it doesn't have the 40K banner on the box.

Last sentence says rules are found in codex Daemons (image spoilered for size):

 bubber wrote:
re the tree in 40K: all I read is that it can be used as scenery in 40K. It doesn't mention that it has any rules for 40K. IE it can be used to add character to your board. Maybe that's why it doesn't have the 40K banner on the box.

The Feculant Gnarlmaw is a piece of plastic scenery for Warhammer 40k and AoS, that can be build with additional Plague Bells - rules to use it can be found in Codex: Chaos Demons and Battletome: Maggotkin of Nurgle.

i retract my previous!

We should know for sure shortly. I think the Blight Tree is the only preview left, so we should see it today.

These models reeks of a faint insecurity. Just like a predator can smell the andrenaline of its pray, the artisan can discern the ebb and flow of malign creativity. These models were not sculpted to take the mind on an adventure, nor were they sculpted to impress or to be remembered.

Look at famous sculptors of the past, such as Michelangelo. You can see no doubt and no fear in his strokes. If you put every micro millimeter of his statues surfaces under a microscope I doubt you would find a single mark that would indicate anything else then splendor. Yet these models are scars in their entire selves upon the standars our ancestors have set.

When I look at these models, instead of being enraptured by the story they are supposed to deliver, I am overtaken by the fear of their creator that they exude. These models are not sculpted by joy or intuition, but by deadlines and directives. Sculptures that was never once touched by its sculptors, like children grown in test tubes.

The only consistent thing about humanity is our decline.

FudgeDumper wrote:
These models reeks of a faint insecurity. Just like a predator can smell the andrenaline of its pray, the artisan can discern the ebb and flow of malign creativity. These models were not sculpted to take the mind on an adventure, nor were they sculpted to impress or to be remembered.

Look at famous sculptors of the past, such as Michelangelo. You can see no doubt and no fear in his strokes. If you put every micro millimeter of his statues surfaces under a microscope I doubt you would find a single mark that would indicate anything else then splendor. Yet these models are scars in their entire selves upon the standars our ancestors have set.

When I look at these models, instead of being enraptured by the story they are supposed to deliver, I am overtaken by the fear of their creator that they exude. These models are not sculpted by joy or intuition, but by deadlines and directives. Sculptures that was never once touched by its sculptors, like children grown in test tubes.

The only consistent thing about humanity is our decline.

What? Can I have some of that stuff you are on?

FudgeDumper wrote:
These models reeks of a faint insecurity. Just like a predator can smell the andrenaline of its pray, the artisan can discern the ebb and flow of malign creativity. These models were not sculpted to take the mind on an adventure, nor were they sculpted to impress or to be remembered.

Look at famous sculptors of the past, such as Michelangelo. You can see no doubt and no fear in his strokes. If you put every micro millimeter of his statues surfaces under a microscope I doubt you would find a single mark that would indicate anything else then splendor. Yet these models are scars in their entire selves upon the standars our ancestors have set.

When I look at these models, instead of being enraptured by the story they are supposed to deliver, I am overtaken by the fear of their creator that they exude. These models are not sculpted by joy or intuition, but by deadlines and directives. Sculptures that was never once touched by its sculptors, like children grown in test tubes.

The only consistent thing about humanity is our decline.

Jesus Christ, you must be the life of the party!

Happy new year to all the Nurgle worshiping brothers and sisters!

Anyone else super keen to get the snail brozinski in 40k? I'm curious as to how he'll play.

FudgeDumper wrote:
These models reeks of a faint insecurity. Just like a predator can smell the andrenaline of its pray, the artisan can discern the ebb and flow of malign creativity. These models were not sculpted to take the mind on an adventure, nor were they sculpted to impress or to be remembered.

Look at famous sculptors of the past, such as Michelangelo. You can see no doubt and no fear in his strokes. If you put every micro millimeter of his statues surfaces under a microscope I doubt you would find a single mark that would indicate anything else then splendor. Yet these models are scars in their entire selves upon the standars our ancestors have set.

When I look at these models, instead of being enraptured by the story they are supposed to deliver, I am overtaken by the fear of their creator that they exude. These models are not sculpted by joy or intuition, but by deadlines and directives. Sculptures that was never once touched by its sculptors, like children grown in test tubes.

The only consistent thing about humanity is our decline.

They're plastic soldiers, dude. Western civilisation may well be in terminal decline, but these models aren't the harbingers of the apocalypse.