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2017/10/03 20:53:33
Subject: Necromunda Underhive, new info & video released 8/30
Mymearan wrote: ... So no upscaling. Obviously they're bigger...
Er...
No upscaling from the current scale.
Which is not what people are generally talking about.
Whether or not an Escher model for Necromunda is the same size as a GSC model from 40k is far less relevant than whether or not it's the same size as an Escher model from Necromunda.
Actually no, is far more relevant, for far more people, if the Necromunda range is in the same size of the plastic range of today's GW than with 20-old year metal figures.
Dakka does have White Knights and is also rather infamous for it's Black Knights. A new edition brings out the passionate and not all of them are good at expressing themselves in written form. There have been plenty of hysterical responses from both sides so far. So we descend into pointless bickering with neither side listening to each other. So posting here becomes more masturbation than conversation.
ERJAK wrote: Forcing a 40k player to keep playing 7th is basically a hate crime.
2017/10/03 21:11:01
Subject: Necromunda Underhive, new info & video released 8/30
It answers the question though? They’re bigger than the metals, but in line with modern models. Whether that’s an issue is an individual thing, but it makes sense considering they were made now and not 15 years ago. Makes more sense to make them compatible with today’s kits.
You've misunderstood. I wasn't disputing the answer. I was questioning the suggestion that making them bigger isn't upscaling them.
I'm also a little puzzled as to what the age of the models has to do with anything, to be honest. We still have models in use in 40K today that are more than 20 years old, and yes, I expect new releases to be in scale with those models. Which is exactly why the vehicles are the only part of the Primaris range that I'm ever likely to buy.
There's no actual requirement that new models be bigger than the models that they replace. It's just something that GW have been doing for reasons known only to themselves. I would much rather they reverse that decision and produce ranges in a consistent scale than to continue making everything bigger. YMMV, obviously.
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2017/10/03 21:37:02
Subject: Necromunda Underhive, new info & video released 8/30
It answers the question though? They’re bigger than the metals, but in line with modern models. Whether that’s an issue is an individual thing, but it makes sense considering they were made now and not 15 years ago. Makes more sense to make them compatible with today’s kits.
You've misunderstood. I wasn't disputing the answer. I was questioning the suggestion that making them bigger isn't upscaling them.
I'm also a little puzzled as to what the age of the models has to do with anything, to be honest. We still have models in use in 40K today that are more than 20 years old, and yes, I expect new releases to be in scale with those models. Which is exactly why the vehicles are the only part of the Primaris range that I'm ever likely to buy.
There's no actual requirement that new models be bigger than the models that they replace. It's just something that GW have been doing for reasons known only to themselves. I would much rather they reverse that decision and produce ranges in a consistent scale than to continue making everything bigger. YMMV, obviously.
If I have to choose between having the plastic parts of the new multipart gangs compatible with metal figures of 20 years ago of a , in the time, different system than 40k, or being them compatible with all the human ranges that GW produces now, in the new era of cross-compatibility, personally, my pick is easy to choose.
Dakka does have White Knights and is also rather infamous for it's Black Knights. A new edition brings out the passionate and not all of them are good at expressing themselves in written form. There have been plenty of hysterical responses from both sides so far. So we descend into pointless bickering with neither side listening to each other. So posting here becomes more masturbation than conversation.
ERJAK wrote: Forcing a 40k player to keep playing 7th is basically a hate crime.
2017/10/03 23:01:21
Subject: Necromunda Underhive, new info & video released 8/30
adamsouza wrote: Anyone think juves are going the way of the Squat ?
I'll be happy to use mine as gangers, if I need to. With gangers all going multipart plastic, I can't see juves being on those sprues.
I think you underestimate just how sneaky GW can be.
Release Necromunda with no elevations.
Sell a supplement that increases the in game experience by adding more elevations to the game besides the basics in the core rules.
Sell a supplement that gives rules for a couple more gangs every few months.
Once their is a lul then release rules for Juves and sprues to match.
Repeat milking process.
LOL, Theo your mind is an amazing place, never change.-camkierhi 9/19/13
I cant believe theo is right.. damn. -comradepanda 9/26/13
None of the strange ideas we had about you involved your sexual orientation..........-Monkeytroll 12/10/13
I'd put you on ignore for that comment, if I could...Alpharius 2/11/14
2017/10/03 23:13:08
Subject: Necromunda Underhive, new info & video released 8/30
Mymearan wrote: ... So no upscaling. Obviously they're bigger...
Er...
No upscaling from the current scale.
Which is not what people are generally talking about.
Whether or not an Escher model for Necromunda is the same size as a GSC model from 40k is far less relevant than whether or not it's the same size as an Escher model from Necromunda.
Of course not. People expect a modern GW model to be in the same scale as all other modern GW models. To expect or even want them to be in scale with 25 year old metals is baffling, and I say this as someone with a huge Necromunda metal collection. I refuse to believe anyone thought they would be. People expect to be able to use parts from other plastic models to convert their Necromunda models and vice versa, anything else would be crazy. Old metals are old metals, and you either accept that they will look a bit small and use them anyway (as I will) or use one or the other exclusively.
Exactly. As said before, I have a ton of the old models, but I would be mad if they were in scale with them and not the current plastic range
adamsouza wrote: Anyone think juves are going the way of the Squat ?
I'll be happy to use mine as gangers, if I need to. With gangers all going multipart plastic, I can't see juves being on those sprues.
I think you underestimate just how sneaky GW can be.
Release Necromunda with no elevations.
Sell a supplement that increases the in game experience by adding more elevations to the game besides the basics in the core rules.
Sell a supplement that gives rules for a couple more gangs every few months.
Once their is a lul then release rules for Juves and sprues to match.
Repeat milking process.
Yeah, I expect GW to nickel&dime us to death with Necro. But to be honest, I don't really mind. Been waiting for so long for this game to come back that I won't let a few dubious business pratices spoil my enthusiasm
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2017/10/03 23:34:01
Subject: Necromunda Underhive, new info & video released 8/30
adamsouza wrote: Anyone think juves are going the way of the Squat ?
I'll be happy to use mine as gangers, if I need to. With gangers all going multipart plastic, I can't see juves being on those sprues.
I think you underestimate just how sneaky GW can be.
Release Necromunda with no elevations.
Sell a supplement that increases the in game experience by adding more elevations to the game besides the basics in the core rules.
Sell a supplement that gives rules for a couple more gangs every few months.
Once their is a lul then release rules for Juves and sprues to match.
Repeat milking process.
You mean GW is going to exploit my love of Necromunda for profit?
Bill Withers actually wrote a song that encapsulates how I feel about this!
2017/10/03 23:39:14
Subject: Necromunda Underhive, new info & video released 8/30
adamsouza wrote: Anyone think juves are going the way of the Squat ?
I'll be happy to use mine as gangers, if I need to. With gangers all going multipart plastic, I can't see juves being on those sprues.
I think you underestimate just how sneaky GW can be.
Release Necromunda with no elevations.
Sell a supplement that increases the in game experience by adding more elevations to the game besides the basics in the core rules.
Sell a supplement that gives rules for a couple more gangs every few months.
Once their is a lul then release rules for Juves and sprues to match.
Repeat milking process.
Isn't that how nostalgia works? You pick somethingt that people loved in the past, you broke it into pieces, you put them in shiny boxes, and you leench those suckers until they are dry!
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Dakka does have White Knights and is also rather infamous for it's Black Knights. A new edition brings out the passionate and not all of them are good at expressing themselves in written form. There have been plenty of hysterical responses from both sides so far. So we descend into pointless bickering with neither side listening to each other. So posting here becomes more masturbation than conversation.
ERJAK wrote: Forcing a 40k player to keep playing 7th is basically a hate crime.
2017/10/04 03:43:01
Subject: Necromunda Underhive, new info & video released 8/30
Isn't that how nostalgia works? You pick somethingt that people loved in the past, you broke it into pieces, you put them in shiny boxes, and you leench those suckers until they are dry!
But does it work?
I have been playing Blood Bowl since 1990 and bought the most recent 2016 box set and then came season book 1, season book 2, special card pack 1, special card pack 2.....
I didnt buy any of that extra rubbish, how many card packs will there be? how many more extra rules books? how often are they going to spit them out? how much do I actually need to spend before I can actually play the game in a manner I did 2 years ago when ALL the rules were in 1 book, when ALL the cards were listed?
If they try and do this with necro they wont get my money.
2017/10/04 04:43:41
Subject: Necromunda Underhive, new info & video released 8/30
It answers the question though? They’re bigger than the metals, but in line with modern models. Whether that’s an issue is an individual thing, but it makes sense considering they were made now and not 15 years ago. Makes more sense to make them compatible with today’s kits.
You've misunderstood. I wasn't disputing the answer. I was questioning the suggestion that making them bigger isn't upscaling them.
I'm also a little puzzled as to what the age of the models has to do with anything, to be honest. We still have models in use in 40K today that are more than 20 years old, and yes, I expect new releases to be in scale with those models. Which is exactly why the vehicles are the only part of the Primaris range that I'm ever likely to buy.
There's no actual requirement that new models be bigger than the models that they replace. It's just something that GW have been doing for reasons known only to themselves. I would much rather they reverse that decision and produce ranges in a consistent scale than to continue making everything bigger. YMMV, obviously.
No, you just misunderstood what was said. They aren’t upscaled from the current size of plastic miniatures, as some seemed to think or worry that they were. And sure there’s no requirement for models to be bigger and the ideal situation would be for models to be at the same scale forever, but today’s models are bigger than they were when Necromunda was first released and it makes more sense for the new ones to match today’s scale than the old metals.
2017/10/04 06:38:20
Subject: Necromunda Underhive, new info & video released 8/30
I have been playing Blood Bowl since 1990 and bought the most recent 2016 box set and then came season book 1, season book 2, special card pack 1, special card pack 2.....
I didnt buy any of that extra rubbish, how many card packs will there be? how many more extra rules books? how often are they going to spit them out? how much do I actually need to spend before I can actually play the game in a manner I did 2 years ago when ALL the rules were in 1 book, when ALL the cards were listed?
If they try and do this with necro they wont get my money.
Me too played since end of 90s. I bought the 2016 box. Season 1, Season 2, deck 1, deck 2, all the star players, all the teams, all the big guys, the referees, the booster pack, all the dice, all the pitches, forge world pitches... even bought over-priced event-only star players from ebay. Bought all the rubbish
I would say that the rule book in the starter set was bad (incomplete and with errors). They should have included much of Death Zone Season 1 in the rule book instead. Death Zone Season 2 on the other hand gives tons of new content to the game, stuff you never had in LRB6/CRP/Icepelt version. The biggest problem (as you point out) is that they divided all the rules into so many sources: rulebook, season books, decks, pdfs (erratas & faqs), white dwarf, app and more.
What I did with Blood Bowl was to combine everything into a single document just like previous edition, you can have it from me if you want. This way it is very similar to previous edition which had all the rules, star players, cards and additional contents. If GW does the same with Necromunda, I'll do it for this game too.
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2017/10/04 08:42:44
Subject: Necromunda Underhive, new info & video released 8/30
I used the previous rule pdf as base and added new stuff on top of that. I'm not quite finished cleaning up the cards cause there was a new special play card released for a GW tournament/event a few weeks ago.
Problem is if (actually when) GW will do the same for Necromunda, there may not be a good foundation to start on. The new rules may have little or nothing in common with the old.
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2017/10/04 11:50:30
Subject: Necromunda Underhive, new info & video released 8/30
Baxx wrote: The biggest problem (as you point out) is that they divided all the rules into so many sources: rulebook, season books, decks, pdfs (erratas & faqs), white dwarf, app and more.
That's actually my issue with what we seem to be getting. I don't have a problem with my old models looking small next to the new ones or with handing over obscene amounts of money for GW, orwith the starter set containing floor plans and docusing on tunnel fights. But having two, three or four books just to have the full rules is not enticing.
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Why is the rum always gone?
2017/10/04 12:38:17
Subject: Necromunda Underhive, new info & video released 8/30
Baxx wrote: The biggest problem (as you point out) is that they divided all the rules into so many sources: rulebook, season books, decks, pdfs (erratas & faqs), white dwarf, app and more.
That's actually my issue with what we seem to be getting. I don't have a problem with my old models looking small next to the new ones or with handing over obscene amounts of money for GW, orwith the starter set containing floor plans and docusing on tunnel fights. But having two, three or four books just to have the full rules is not enticing.
If there only was 3-4 books I wouldn't have a problem...
2017/10/04 12:45:28
Subject: Necromunda Underhive, new info & video released 8/30
Baxx wrote: The biggest problem (as you point out) is that they divided all the rules into so many sources: rulebook, season books, decks, pdfs (erratas & faqs), white dwarf, app and more.
That's actually my issue with what we seem to be getting. I don't have a problem with my old models looking small next to the new ones or with handing over obscene amounts of money for GW, orwith the starter set containing floor plans and docusing on tunnel fights. But having two, three or four books just to have the full rules is not enticing.
If there only was 3-4 books I wouldn't have a problem...
Considering the disastrous spelling in my last post, I doubt I could handle a single book...
But yeah, I think scattered rules are the only actual deal breaker for me when it comes to Necromunda.
Nehekhara lives! Sort of!
Why is the rum always gone?
2017/10/04 14:14:33
Subject: Re:Necromunda Underhive, new info & video released 8/30
From the new White Dwarf, Temporal Distort article (pg 132) featuring the Jan '94 WD issue
Elsewhere, the Adeptus Arbites [...] appeared as a new range of miniatures, with full rules and (a very short) army list in the issue. Not really a presence on the Battlefield as such, the Adeptus Arbites haven't been seen around much lately, but with the likes of the Genestealer Cults on the rise again, who knows when they might be back?
2017/10/04 14:29:00
Subject: Necromunda Underhive, new info & video released 8/30
Warhams-77 wrote: From the new White Dwarf, Temporal Distort article (pg 132) featuring the Jan '94 WD issue
Elsewhere, the Adeptus Arbites [...] appeared as a new range of miniatures, with full rules and (a very short) army list in the issue. Not really a presence on the Battlefield as such, the Adeptus Arbites haven't been seen around much lately, but with the likes of the Genestealer Cults on the rise again, who knows when they might be back?
Soon please!
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2017/10/05 09:02:35
Subject: Necromunda Underhive, new info & video released 8/30
I'm excited and sad simultaneously. Loved Necromunda, loved Escher (had the full original gang), and was really looking forward to the release, but to me without a boxed terrain set it's a disappointment.
It would be fine if SWA hadn't been limited edition, and the individual industrial terrain pieces were not now so unaffordably expensive.
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