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2017/08/18 18:10:00
Subject: [FFG] Star Wars: Legion (Miniatures Game)
judgedoug wrote: Star Wars miniatures game - will make a stupid amount of money. X-Wing and Armada combined, and then some. Everyone wants to play Darth Vader on the table.
but queue Dakka standard response to ANY announcement: "well if it was only some very specific XYZ I would have spent my life savings on it, but now I'll have to give it a pass"
Well, DAKKA being a wargamer forum, has a more picky audience (which is into wargames, not just boardgames), so people, while already being engaged with other wargames, expect higher standards to pull them over to a yet another wargame.
I mean to be honest, Games Workshop could put anthrax in every newly made box of models and about 50% of this board would defend it.
Yay, a mandatory GW is BAD and it`s fanboys are BAD comment.. Why here? Why now?
But if it comes to this... GW does make better minis, than FFG and they are cheaper per mini on average. There, I said it. AND SO IT BEGINS.
AND THERE IT STOPS.
I would love some SW minis myself, but after seeing Knights Models stuff,FFG will never win me over with quality like on the pics. It will sell very well though(much better, than great quality metals), no doubt. This stuff will be eaiser to assemble, no requirement to paint, less rules, wide spread = easy to get to. Basicly all the reasons boardgames are more popular, than wargames.
2017/08/18 18:12:30
Subject: [FFG] Star Wars: Legion (Miniatures Game)
I have no interest on this, but as Manchu said, this is gonna be HUGE. My whatssap groups are al like crazy. Dakkadakka is full of grognards like myself that are so cynic about everything (A property that is good in many cases, but suck the fun of life in many others) that cant look past their own tastes..
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Dakka does have White Knights and is also rather infamous for it's Black Knights. A new edition brings out the passionate and not all of them are good at expressing themselves in written form. There have been plenty of hysterical responses from both sides so far. So we descend into pointless bickering with neither side listening to each other. So posting here becomes more masturbation than conversation.
ERJAK wrote: Forcing a 40k player to keep playing 7th is basically a hate crime.
2017/08/18 18:12:31
Subject: [FFG] Star Wars: Legion (Miniatures Game)
SnotlingPimpWagon wrote: I wonder how will they deal with AT-ATs, snowspeeders, ect...
Battle at Hoth being (probs) the most loved one.
We can definatly expect AT-STs..
Knowing FFG, AT-ST's, at least, will be wave 2.
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2017/08/18 18:13:28
Subject: [FFG] Star Wars: Legion (Miniatures Game)
I would expect this to be the focus of an entire wave's worth of expansions. Maybe two waves, TBH.
On behalf of players, which will be into this game, I`m afraid, that there will be scale jumps between stuff, like in X-Wing. Hopefuly this won`t be the case A new wawe comes once a year?
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2017/08/18 18:14:58
Subject: [FFG] Star Wars: Legion (Miniatures Game)
judgedoug wrote: Star Wars miniatures game - will make a stupid amount of money. X-Wing and Armada combined, and then some. Everyone wants to play Darth Vader on the table.
but queue Dakka standard response to ANY announcement: "well if it was only some very specific XYZ I would have spent my life savings on it, but now I'll have to give it a pass"
Models are meh at best.
Upgrade cards, forcing you to keep buying, even units you don't want, just to keep on top of the game.
Proprietary dice.
Already something not from the films.
Vehicles likely to be pricey, when FFG aren't exactly cheap.
It's a pass from me.
It was always going to be a pass from you, be honest.
Not at all.
I throughly enjoyed the early days of X-Wing. The game is solid, just a shame about the constant need to buy more and more ship Keep OP With the Cardashians (do you see what I Did There? Awfully witty of me).
This seems to be going down the same route already, so I shan't be fooled twice.
Says the GW fanboi!
We find comfort among those who agree with us - growth among those who don't. - Frank Howard Clark
The wise man doubts often, and changes his mind; the fool is obstinate, and doubts not; he knows all things but his own ignorance.
The correct statement of individual rights is that everyone has the right to an opinion, but crucially, that opinion can be roundly ignored and even made fun of, particularly if it is demonstrably nonsense!” Professor Brian Cox
Manchu wrote: Scale is less important than fun, especially when it comes to stuff that is purely fictional anyhow.
The real question that should be on everyone's mind is, will FFG finally get around to making terrain???
I`d guess, we can probably expect something akin to stuff in "Song of Ice and Fire" KS. THey have a bunch of trees there at least, PVC, easily put together.
This game being a wargame with shooting needs LOS blocks, doesn`t it?
2017/08/18 18:17:26
Subject: [FFG] Star Wars: Legion (Miniatures Game)
judgedoug wrote: Star Wars miniatures game - will make a stupid amount of money. X-Wing and Armada combined, and then some. Everyone wants to play Darth Vader on the table.
but queue Dakka standard response to ANY announcement: "well if it was only some very specific XYZ I would have spent my life savings on it, but now I'll have to give it a pass"
So you'll instead season the thread with spite before they get salty? Not sure I agree with that reasoning...
2017/08/18 18:17:28
Subject: [FFG] Star Wars: Legion (Miniatures Game)
With regard to the "this is going to be huge with non-wargamers" idea. Can't say I think people are wrong, but given we already have IA, why do people think that a product that's placed further away from the core trad board game market is going to succeed where IA hasn't already?
We find comfort among those who agree with us - growth among those who don't. - Frank Howard Clark
The wise man doubts often, and changes his mind; the fool is obstinate, and doubts not; he knows all things but his own ignorance.
The correct statement of individual rights is that everyone has the right to an opinion, but crucially, that opinion can be roundly ignored and even made fun of, particularly if it is demonstrably nonsense!” Professor Brian Cox
I like what they have done with Imperial Assault but as with Necromunda this is a wait and see..
My concerns the scale, right now I only use my IA figures for SWRPG so if this is off scale I don't need it.
Just want someone to hold up a IA storm trooper to one in this set; this would calm a lot of people
Also, with old WotC figures I already have a ton of rebel figures and storm troopers..
If they announce figures of correct scale from rogue one or other different figures that I don't have in my collection already
they might get my money.
2017/08/18 18:19:22
Subject: [FFG] Star Wars: Legion (Miniatures Game)
Dakka does have White Knights and is also rather infamous for it's Black Knights. A new edition brings out the passionate and not all of them are good at expressing themselves in written form. There have been plenty of hysterical responses from both sides so far. So we descend into pointless bickering with neither side listening to each other. So posting here becomes more masturbation than conversation.
ERJAK wrote: Forcing a 40k player to keep playing 7th is basically a hate crime.
2017/08/18 18:21:22
Subject: [FFG] Star Wars: Legion (Miniatures Game)
Azreal13 wrote: With regard to the "this is going to be huge with non-wargamers" idea. Can't say I think people are wrong, but given we already have IA, why do people think that a product that's placed further away from the core trad board game market is going to succeed where IA hasn't already?
It`s STAR WARS (tm) with STORM TROOPERS (tm). New minis for LUke, Leia, Obi and Darth Vader = a sale boom.
Mothers will get their kids this stuff, because that`s something they recognise, anyone remotly interested in star wars with at least 1 SW merch Item will scratch his head: Maybe he should try this out?
And the starter set will be cheaper, than the one of IA. X-WIng level probably. They sell X-Wings in book stores, so they will probably this game.
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2017/08/18 18:21:55
Subject: [FFG] Star Wars: Legion (Miniatures Game)
Azreal13 wrote: why do people think that a product that's placed further away from the core trad board game market is going to succeed where IA hasn't already?
I bought a ton of IA but ultimately sold it because I found the gameplay boring and the "skirmish" mode did not seem promising, being played on tiles. That said, I think it's been pretty successful with the wider market. I think Legion will be very popular because IME there are lots of people who would like to get into miniatures gaming but for whom it is an extremely daunting prospect. For us miniatures gamers, it can be hard to objectively look at the obstacles to getting into our hobby.
The Stormtroopers look MUCH better without the low quality photo.
I'm glad Star Wars minis coming back in print but I can't help but wonder if xwing quality build prepainted would have been better. Part of the success of that game was the instant gratification and playability of the minis on top of their desktop display quality that broadened the appeal beyond just tabletop gamers.
2017/08/18 18:24:59
Subject: [FFG] Star Wars: Legion (Miniatures Game)
Azreal13 wrote: With regard to the "this is going to be huge with non-wargamers" idea. Can't say I think people are wrong, but given we already have IA, why do people think that a product that's placed further away from the core trad board game market is going to succeed where IA hasn't already?
It`s STAR WARS (tm) with STORM TROOPERS (tm). New minis for LUke, Leia, Obi and Darth Vader = a sale boom.
Mothers will get their kids this stuff, because that`s something they recognise, anyone remotly interested in star wars with at least 1 SW merch Item will scratch his head: Maybe he should try this out?
And the starter set will be cheaper, than the one of IA. X-WIng level probably. They sell X-Wings in book stores, so they will probably this game.
The starter's up for pre order, its $90, so it's the same as IA was (or close.)
We find comfort among those who agree with us - growth among those who don't. - Frank Howard Clark
The wise man doubts often, and changes his mind; the fool is obstinate, and doubts not; he knows all things but his own ignorance.
The correct statement of individual rights is that everyone has the right to an opinion, but crucially, that opinion can be roundly ignored and even made fun of, particularly if it is demonstrably nonsense!” Professor Brian Cox
Azreal13 wrote: why do people think that a product that's placed further away from the core trad board game market is going to succeed where IA hasn't already?
I bought a ton of IA but ultimately sold it because I found the gameplay boring and the "skirmish" mode did not seem promising, being played on tiles. That said, I think it's been pretty successful with the wider market. I think Legion will be very popular because IME there are lots of people who would like to get into miniatures gaming but for whom it is an extremely daunting prospect. For us miniatures gamers, it can be hard to objectively look at the obstacles to getting into our hobby.
Yeah, similar experience here. Played through the campaign on a bi weekly basis at our club, thoroughly enjoyed it, not one of us who played seems to really feel compelled to do anything further with it.
We find comfort among those who agree with us - growth among those who don't. - Frank Howard Clark
The wise man doubts often, and changes his mind; the fool is obstinate, and doubts not; he knows all things but his own ignorance.
The correct statement of individual rights is that everyone has the right to an opinion, but crucially, that opinion can be roundly ignored and even made fun of, particularly if it is demonstrably nonsense!” Professor Brian Cox
Azreal13 wrote: The starter's up for pre order, its $90, so it's the same as IA was (or close.)
OK so now the question will be ... how many core sets do you buy?
Azreal13 wrote: Played through the campaign on a bi weekly basis at our club, thoroughly enjoyed it, not one of us who played seems to really feel compelled to do anything further with it.
My group played through the main campaign as well, I dropped out after like two sessions and sold my stuff (other group member had the whole set, up to that point). Although the other group members enjoyed it a lot, it's been a while now with little to no talk about continuing with the expansions. I think this is probably down to our group having so, so much dividing our attention.
For me, IA was too far along the line of everyone telling me what to do on my turn to the point that I checked out and just let the others run my character. I honestly had a miserable time playing it. I did like the components, including the miniatures.
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Azreal13 wrote: why do people think that a product that's placed further away from the core trad board game market is going to succeed where IA hasn't already?
I bought a ton of IA but ultimately sold it because I found the gameplay boring and the "skirmish" mode did not seem promising, being played on tiles. That said, I think it's been pretty successful with the wider market. I think Legion will be very popular because IME there are lots of people who would like to get into miniatures gaming but for whom it is an extremely daunting prospect. For us miniatures gamers, it can be hard to objectively look at the obstacles to getting into our hobby.
Yeah, similar experience here. Played through the campaign on a bi weekly basis at our club, thoroughly enjoyed it, not one of us who played seems to really feel compelled to do anything further with it.
I'm waiting for the "Mansions of Madness"-like app to allow us to all play as rebels instead of it being a game of everyone against the one guy.
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2017/08/18 18:30:31
Subject: [FFG] Star Wars: Legion (Miniatures Game)
Azreal13 wrote: why do people think that a product that's placed further away from the core trad board game market is going to succeed where IA hasn't already?
I bought a ton of IA but ultimately sold it because I found the gameplay boring and the "skirmish" mode did not seem promising, being played on tiles. That said, I think it's been pretty successful with the wider market. I think Legion will be very popular because IME there are lots of people who would like to get into miniatures gaming but for whom it is an extremely daunting prospect. For us miniatures gamers, it can be hard to objectively look at the obstacles to getting into our hobby.
Yeah, similar experience here. Played through the campaign on a bi weekly basis at our club, thoroughly enjoyed it, not one of us who played seems to really feel compelled to do anything further with it.
I'm waiting for the "Mansions of Madness"-like app to allow us to all play as rebels instead of it being a game of everyone against the one guy.
They have confirmed today that it's currently being tested so hopefully soon.
2017/08/18 18:35:12
Subject: Re:[FFG] Star Wars: Legion (Miniatures Game)
