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2017/10/05 16:53:00
Subject: Re:Active Shooter in Las Vegas Attacks Country Music Festival with Automatic Weapon
whembly wrote: Pulled this from several twittah post and websites:
Yesterday's press conf... (warning, it's long):
TIMELINE:
*10:05pm shooting begins. Suspect on 32nd floor.
*10:12pm First two officers arrive on 31st floor stating gunfire origin on 32nd floor.
*10:15pm Last shots fired by suspect.
*10:17pm First two officers arrive on 32nd floor.
*10:18pm Security guard, Jose Campos tells police he was shot and exact room location.
*10:26-10:30pm Eight additional officers arrive on 32nd floor. Begins evacuation.
*10:55pm Eight additional officers arrive at suspect hotel room door.
*11:20pm Initial room breach. Suspect located. 2nd Door (room) identified.
*11:27pm Second breach, 2nd room. Radio: All Clear – Suspect Down.
I'm amazed at how quickly the police got to the floor...
*Paddock led a secretive life. No social media presence.
*Paddock previously scouted a prior venue.
*over 200 strafing rounds were fired through the door at the responding Mandalay Bay security guard, Jose Campos.
*several of the weapons Paddock was using jammed during the shooting.
*gunman had an apparent escape strategy (unidentified).
*non of the cameras discovered (4) were recording.
*suspect vehicle held ten 1lb containers of tannerite explosive. Two 20lb containers of tannerite and an additional 1,600 rounds of ammunition.
*no idea why Paddock did not utilize explosives. Why bring them?
*police still seeking tips on Stephen Paddock activity for months, weeks, days up to the event.
*motive still unknown. Local LEO does not know results from FBI interview with Ms. Danley.
*the possibility of an accomplice is strong.
*there was a great deal of premeditation involved in carrying out this attack.
*possibility of Paddock having done pre-surveillance of alternate attack venue.
*thousands of rounds of ammunition present in room.
*no suicide note was found in the room.
*assumption is Paddock stopped shooting because security guard knock spooked him.
*Paddock was gambling at some points prior to the shooting. Did not appear to have companion for gambling.
*Paddock purchased 33 weapons in October 2016. Police are interested in what took place in/around October 2016 to elicit his bulk purchase of firearms.
*police see evidence he planned to survive and escape. Would not elaborate.
*residence in Reno large ammo and firearms. Residence in Mesquite large ammo and firearms. All indications point toward having some form of assistance.
Google map is pretty good if you take the time to fiddle with it... but, I'm not sure how I can post just the image. Here's a good one when fished from google images (look at center slide):
doesnt surprise me that he had jams, but for what he invested in those guns, he could probably have afforded a proper belt fed papered MG or illegally converted one, still wondering why he thought a clutch of AR15's was a better idea. Theres obviously a lot of thought and preplanning that went into this, but the tools chosen for this massacre are...curious, though im guessing someone whod do something like this probably has a few nuts loose somewhere anyway.
TheCustomLime wrote: Does anyone know why the guy did it? I can't just wrap my head around the motive.
still appears to be a complete mystery from what publicly available info there is.
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2017/10/05 16:55:21
Subject: Active Shooter in Las Vegas Attacks Country Music Festival with Automatic Weapon
Waiting for my shill money from Spiral Arm Studios
Marmatag wrote: It's not bait, it's the decision the American people make every day, except the event has yet to happen.
May as well make a placeholder thoughts and prayers thread for the next inevitable shooting.
Yeah, no.
Me owning a gun has ZERO effect on what some nutter does with his. I should not be punished for the wrongdoings of another person.
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Cato Sicarius, after force feeding Captain Ventris a copy of the Codex Astartes for having the audacity to play Deathwatch, chokes to death on his own D-baggery after finding Calgar assembling his new Eldar army.
djones520 wrote: So you're afraid that the US government will become a totalitarian system that will ignore the rules that are in place to guide it, and completely denounce everything the nation has stood for, for over two hundred years, in an attempt to break into our homes and take our property away from us?
Yeah, I could see how that would be a fearful thing.
Let's be realistic here, the right to own any gun you want is hardly "everything the nation has stood for", and opposition to the idea of the government taking your property hasn't stopped us from banning stuff in the past. Confiscating illegal guns is not any different from confiscating illegal drugs.
It's completely different.
No where in the Constitution the right to illegal drugs is in the text. You can make the case that the Federal government, by virtue of the 10th amendment, shouldn't have any laws regard illicit drugs and leave it to the states to make that determination.
Whereas you have the 2nd Amendment that expressly confirms right to self defense (...people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed).
So... yeah... the nation has stood for quite a long time with 2nd Amendment protecting this inalienable right.
If the right to keep and bear Arms is inalienable, why aren't you allowed to own a battleship
You can. Only thing stopping people would be because how prohibitedly expensive to purchase/build and operate it.
In the Constitution, the Letter of Marque was used to enable PRIVATELY owned warships to be used in the name of country. Back in those days, these private ship owners had enough firepower to lay waste to coastal towns.
If I was stupidely rich, I'd love to have an operational Iowa-class battle ship. Or, commission the Montana-class to be built:
, or a nuclear weapon?
I was wrong earlier... you can as there's no law preventing you from owning it. Again, ridiculously expensive and tech knowhow to build/maintain... just ask North Korea and Iran.
I'll give you a hint: because it's not actually inalienable.
That's horsepuckey... hence why Alexander Hamilton argued ferverntly for it.
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2017/10/05 16:58:42
Subject: Active Shooter in Las Vegas Attacks Country Music Festival with Automatic Weapon
djones520 wrote: So you're afraid that the US government will become a totalitarian system that will ignore the rules that are in place to guide it, and completely denounce everything the nation has stood for, for over two hundred years, in an attempt to break into our homes and take our property away from us?
Yeah, I could see how that would be a fearful thing.
Let's be realistic here, the right to own any gun you want is hardly "everything the nation has stood for", and opposition to the idea of the government taking your property hasn't stopped us from banning stuff in the past. Confiscating illegal guns is not any different from confiscating illegal drugs.
It's completely different.
No where in the Constitution the right to illegal drugs is in the text. You can make the case that the Federal government, by virtue of the 10th amendment, shouldn't have any laws regard illicit drugs and leave it to the states to make that determination.
Whereas you have the 2nd Amendment that expressly confirms right to self defense (...people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed).
So... yeah... the nation has stood for quite a long time with 2nd Amendment protecting this inalienable right.
If the right to keep and bear Arms is inalienable, why aren't you allowed to own a battleship, or a nuclear weapon? I'll give you a hint: because it's not actually inalienable.
Actually, it's not illegal to own either of those things. It's merely illegal to criminally use a WMD.
And there is nothing illegal about owning a battleship. And that's something that the Founders would have been familiar with. Private citizens often owned warships, and the usually took better care of them then Navies did(because they had the money to do it).
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Cato Sicarius, after force feeding Captain Ventris a copy of the Codex Astartes for having the audacity to play Deathwatch, chokes to death on his own D-baggery after finding Calgar assembling his new Eldar army.
d-usa wrote: Other than the one that kicked out the English, how many uprisings and civil wars have been successful?
In the US North American Territory?
*USA
*Texas
*California
*Comanche Nation
*Red Cloud
*Republic of Jones
*Old Coke
Failures:
*Shay's rebellion
*The War of Southern Plantation Owners
*Seminoles, Sioux, Arapaho, Cheyenne, Comanche, Kiowa, Black Foot, Crow....
*White Lightning Wars
Successful against the US I meant.
Comanche Nation
Red Cloud
Old Coke.
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Kilkrazy wrote: I don't think "feeling safer" is a valid response. You can feel safer with or without guns, and many (perhaps most) people feel safer without -- either way you might be right or wrong abuot your feeling, and changing it would be a matter of emotional education.
However you can't go stalking or target shooting without guns.
A valid response is NOT required. It is a fundamental right, on the same level of freedom of speech, press, assembly, and the right to Boogie.
If you ban platform shoes and disco balls, then only criminals will have disco balls!*
*Oops look like my disco ball just fell into a lake.
Imagine you're caught in a parallel twilight zone universe for today.
Someone approaches you and offers you a choice.
If you give up all your guns right now, and promise never to buy another one, he would undo the massacre in Las Vegas. If you choose to keep your guns, or refuse to make the promise, the massacre stands.
What do you do?
Steal your time machine, with my gun.
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2017/10/05 17:18:44
Subject: Re:Active Shooter in Las Vegas Attacks Country Music Festival with Automatic Weapon
Imagine you're caught in a parallel twilight zone universe for today.
Someone approaches you and offers you a choice.
If you give up all your guns right now, and promise never to buy another one, he would undo the massacre in Las Vegas. If you choose to keep your guns, or refuse to make the promise, the massacre stands.
What do you do?
Steal your time machine, with my gun.
Surprised this hypothetical time guy doesn't just go back and make sure the redcoats win. under brit rule we wouldnt have the second amendment. every problem solved
Also apparently had massive quantities of explosives in his car
Had multiple venues scouted out
Possible accomplice, note left but not suicide, planned to escape
What would drive a rich old white guy to do this?
I haven't seen which corner of the derposphere this guy inhabits, but there are communities out there to radicalise you, regardless of your tastes.
Spend some time on r/ the donald, and see for yourself. It's frankly deplorable. There's subreddits for all kinds of nutters, but that one rises to the top with the most regularity.
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2017/10/05 17:45:29
Subject: Active Shooter in Las Vegas Attacks Country Music Festival with Automatic Weapon
I can see many reasons. Maybe sparking the fire for a US civil war. By reading the recent developpments, it seems like he didn't intend to die into this - he killed himself rather than being caught by the police. What is sure is that he planned all of this for quite some time.
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2017/10/05 17:53:48
Subject: Active Shooter in Las Vegas Attacks Country Music Festival with Automatic Weapon
I can see many reasons. Maybe sparking the fire for a US civil war. By reading the recent developpments, it seems like he didn't intend to die into this - he killed himself rather than being caught by the police. What is sure is that he planned all of this for quite some time.
The problem is that most of the reasons for doing this kind of thing also require that you broadcast those reasons to the world. There's only one reason I can think of for doing this and not telling anybody why: you want to troll the world and keep yourself famous forever as armchair analysts wonder for decades on History Channel programs why you did it.
"Through the darkness of future past, the magician longs to see.
One chants out between two worlds: Fire, walk with me." - Twin Peaks
"You listen to me. While I will admit to a certain cynicism, the fact is that I am a naysayer and hatchetman in the fight against violence. I pride myself in taking a punch and I'll gladly take another because I choose to live my life in the company of Gandhi and King. My concerns are global. I reject absolutely revenge, aggression, and retaliation. The foundation of such a method... is love. I love you Sheriff Truman." - Twin Peaks
2017/10/05 17:55:41
Subject: Active Shooter in Las Vegas Attacks Country Music Festival with Automatic Weapon
Also apparently had massive quantities of explosives in his car
Had multiple venues scouted out
Possible accomplice, note left but not suicide, planned to escape
What would drive a rich old white guy to do this?
I haven't seen which corner of the derposphere this guy inhabits, but there are communities out there to radicalise you, regardless of your tastes.
Spend some time on r/ the donald, and see for yourself. It's frankly deplorable. There's subreddits for all kinds of nutters, but that one rises to the top with the most regularity.
yeah, there's some seriously off kilter communities on the web.
I'm a gun nerd, but taking a look at the politics section of something like akfiles.com or ar15.com is...well, terrifying. This board at its worst is downright tame compared to the normal fare at these places.
IRON WITHIN, IRON WITHOUT.
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2017/10/05 18:05:19
Subject: Active Shooter in Las Vegas Attacks Country Music Festival with Automatic Weapon
Congress' most powerful Republican says lawmakers should examine "bump-stocks", a rapid-fire accessory used by the gunman in Sunday's Las Vegas massacre.
House of Representatives Speaker Paul Ryan told a radio talk show: "Clearly that's something we need to look into."
Texas Senator John Cornyn - the number two Republican in the Senate - has called for hearings into the devices.
uh huh.
But the accessories can be obtained without the extensive background checks required of automatic weapons.
They typically cost less than $200 (£150) and allow nearly 100 high-velocity bullets to be fired in just seven seconds, according to one company advert.
One of the most popular manufacturers of bump-stocks, Slide Fire, said they had sold out "due to extreme high demands" since the Las Vegas shooting.
Ah, la plus ca change.
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2017/10/05 18:07:48
Subject: Active Shooter in Las Vegas Attacks Country Music Festival with Automatic Weapon
djones520 wrote: So you're afraid that the US government will become a totalitarian system that will ignore the rules that are in place to guide it, and completely denounce everything the nation has stood for, for over two hundred years, in an attempt to break into our homes and take our property away from us?
Yeah, I could see how that would be a fearful thing.
Let's be realistic here, the right to own any gun you want is hardly "everything the nation has stood for", and opposition to the idea of the government taking your property hasn't stopped us from banning stuff in the past. Confiscating illegal guns is not any different from confiscating illegal drugs.
It's completely different.
No where in the Constitution the right to illegal drugs is in the text. You can make the case that the Federal government, by virtue of the 10th amendment, shouldn't have any laws regard illicit drugs and leave it to the states to make that determination.
Whereas you have the 2nd Amendment that expressly confirms right to self defense (...people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed).
So... yeah... the nation has stood for quite a long time with 2nd Amendment protecting this inalienable right.
If the right to keep and bear Arms is inalienable, why aren't you allowed to own a battleship, or a nuclear weapon? I'll give you a hint: because it's not actually inalienable.
Actually, it's not illegal to own either of those things. It's merely illegal to criminally use a WMD.
And there is nothing illegal about owning a battleship. And that's something that the Founders would have been familiar with.
Are you going to put muzzleloaders on that battleship?
2017/10/05 18:11:47
Subject: Active Shooter in Las Vegas Attacks Country Music Festival with Automatic Weapon
Also apparently had massive quantities of explosives in his car
Had multiple venues scouted out
Possible accomplice, note left but not suicide, planned to escape
What would drive a rich old white guy to do this?
I haven't seen which corner of the derposphere this guy inhabits, but there are communities out there to radicalise you, regardless of your tastes.
Spend some time on r/ the donald, and see for yourself. It's frankly deplorable. There's subreddits for all kinds of nutters, but that one rises to the top with the most regularity.
yeah, there's some seriously off kilter communities on the web.
I'm a gun nerd, but taking a look at the politics section of something like akfiles.com or ar15.com is...well, terrifying. This board at its worst is downright tame compared to the normal fare at these places.
Even I won't go on websites like that.
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
2017/10/05 18:22:07
Subject: Active Shooter in Las Vegas Attacks Country Music Festival with Automatic Weapon
djones520 wrote: So you're afraid that the US government will become a totalitarian system that will ignore the rules that are in place to guide it, and completely denounce everything the nation has stood for, for over two hundred years, in an attempt to break into our homes and take our property away from us?
Yeah, I could see how that would be a fearful thing.
Let's be realistic here, the right to own any gun you want is hardly "everything the nation has stood for", and opposition to the idea of the government taking your property hasn't stopped us from banning stuff in the past. Confiscating illegal guns is not any different from confiscating illegal drugs.
It's completely different.
No where in the Constitution the right to illegal drugs is in the text. You can make the case that the Federal government, by virtue of the 10th amendment, shouldn't have any laws regard illicit drugs and leave it to the states to make that determination.
Whereas you have the 2nd Amendment that expressly confirms right to self defense (...people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed).
So... yeah... the nation has stood for quite a long time with 2nd Amendment protecting this inalienable right.
If the right to keep and bear Arms is inalienable, why aren't you allowed to own a battleship, or a nuclear weapon? I'll give you a hint: because it's not actually inalienable.
Actually, it's not illegal to own either of those things. It's merely illegal to criminally use a WMD.
And there is nothing illegal about owning a battleship. And that's something that the Founders would have been familiar with.
Are you going to put muzzleloaders on that battleship?
Again, nothing illegal about any of the weapons on that battleship. There would be more regulations regarding the nuclear reactor running it.
Self-proclaimed evil Cat-person. Dues Ex Felines
Cato Sicarius, after force feeding Captain Ventris a copy of the Codex Astartes for having the audacity to play Deathwatch, chokes to death on his own D-baggery after finding Calgar assembling his new Eldar army.
I can think of a lot of reasons the guy didn't bring everything into the room. Maybe he got paranoid and thought someone was onto him - or he just got tired of lugging huge weight up to his room. In any case - it seems he was planning a whole lot of destruction. The question is why.
If we fail to anticipate the unforeseen or expect the unexpected in a universe of infinite possibilities, we may find ourselves at the mercy of anyone or anything that cannot be programmed, categorized or easily referenced.
- Fox Mulder
2017/10/05 18:52:06
Subject: Active Shooter in Las Vegas Attacks Country Music Festival with Automatic Weapon
d-usa wrote: Other than the one that kicked out the English, how many uprisings and civil wars have been successful?
Well, there was the RedNeck rebellion, Coalminer's rebellion (National Guard used as private thugs), Second Battle of Athens (1946 I want to say?), Steel minors revolt (not technically the Government, but the company had Government approval for violence), and an instance in Oklahoma in the 1920's when a Private company convinced the Governor that the National Guard should be their private goon squad to rough up union protestors. Armed men were able to hold off the National Guard long enough that they weren't able to machine-gun unarmed women and children sitting in tents.
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If the right to keep and bear Arms is inalienable, why aren't you allowed to own a battleship, or a nuclear weapon? I'll give you a hint: because it's not actually inalienable.
You actually can own a Battleship. It would require a TON of money, but you can do it.
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2017/10/05 19:22:03
Subject: Active Shooter in Las Vegas Attacks Country Music Festival with Automatic Weapon
I'll give you a hint: because it's not actually inalienable.
That's horsepuckey... hence why Alexander Hamilton argued ferverntly for it.
Are felons allowed to own weapons?
Convicted felons lose their rights to vote and own weapons.
So much for "inalienable" rights then, eh?
Rights can be alienated, up to and including ones life, through due process as a result of one's actions. But it has to be a consequence of ones own actIons and go through an established process, open to public scrutiny.
That said, black powder guns are not considered firearms, a convicted felon may own one of those
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2017/10/05 19:22:43
Subject: Active Shooter in Las Vegas Attacks Country Music Festival with Automatic Weapon
Imagine you're caught in a parallel twilight zone universe for today.
Someone approaches you and offers you a choice.
If you give up all your guns right now, and promise never to buy another one, he would undo the massacre in Las Vegas. If you choose to keep your guns, or refuse to make the promise, the massacre stands.
What do you do?
Tell him he's a dick for extorting people instead of just using that magic time machine to go back in time and stop the massacre.
Tell him he's thinking much too small by focusing on the Vegas attack to save 50 when he could go back in time and stop Hitler or Muhammad and save millions of lives instead.
There, fixed that for you.
2017/10/05 19:25:50
Subject: Active Shooter in Las Vegas Attacks Country Music Festival with Automatic Weapon
I'm going to go ahead and assume his motivations ultimately boil down to erectile dysfunction. We should assume that for every mass shooter. How many crazies will want to copycat "Limpy McFlaccid"?
The choice of tannerite for an explosive is an interesting one. It's stable and not even flammable, but it can be set off by high impact such as a rifle round. Makes one wonder how that fit into the plan.
3000
4000 
uh huh.
