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 NivlacSupreme wrote:
So Palanite isn’t a joke. It’s a new made up word.

Why are a few people freaking out about this? It's completely in keeping with GW's ancient practice of pilfering (then f'ing up) words from historical or fictional sources, and the provenance of the term seems obvious.

'-ite' is a common suffix that conveys someone's membership in a group/nation/whatever.

GW looked at "Palatine Hive" and thought, "what's an interesting, unsubtle, baroque and unnecessary way we could denote an organization of people who represent this place?"

Then -- because they don't proof or research -- we get "Palanite" instead of "Palatinite."

Preordered 2 boxes.

I added it up last night, my small little Arbites army that will never get too big since Arbites have been OOP for over a decade...

...is over 250 models. Including 75 2nd edition and RT Arbites.

So whats 20 more?

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Preordered 2 boxes.

I added it up last night, my small little Arbites army that will never get too big since Arbites have been OOP for over a decade...

...is over 250 models. Including 75 2nd edition and RT Arbites.

So whats 20 more?

Is this your cry for help? Do you want an intervention?

You know we're here and we're always willing to listen.

They can have all sorts of unique profiles for jaws, claws, beaks and rat ass, but decide energy shield can have the exact same rules as an assault shield? I'm gonna make it super simple and just call it shield, since energy and assault make no difference.

@Bob- Those Arbite women are from Artel W Miniatures. They make male ones as well as cyber dog units.

 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
@Bob- Those Arbite women are from Artel W Miniatures. They make male ones as well as cyber dog units.

And a not-shira calpurnia model to lead them. Great detail, more slender than normal gw proportions though.

Mad Robot has stockier more Cadian proportions and several head/arm combos.

https://madrobotminiatures.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=329

Oh, the book has rules for criminal alliances as the last one did for Guilds. Interesting!

Any word yet if the new Underdog advantages also appear printed in the book (versus being strictly normal Tactics Cards)?

Not sure, I think they won't, as standard tactics cards have never been printed in books before. Looks like there will be 13 "Underdog Tactics cards". Not sure how these differ from normal ones. The authors want these to be used when the difference is 400 or greater, so perhaps these are extra powerful tactics cards? Normal tactics cards are usually priced 100 credits, so these could be 4 times as powerful? 12 Tactics cards are also included, so these will be in the same category as the 176 we got already? And finally, a how-to card explaining how to use underdog tactics cards. As they seem to be forced to always have 26 cards in each deck to be sold.

At the moment we got 156 tactics cards. The Enforcers deck will add 20 more (16 general, 4 Enforcers). And the above mentioned Underdog deck will add 12 tactics card. For a total of 188!?! Does anyone need that many tactics cards? Do we need more? Maybe in 2 years time, we have 400 tactics cards? When will it stop?

When summarizing all current cards (188 Tactics, 26 Badzone Event/Environment, 13 Underdog, 54 House Sub-Plot, 26 Territory, 26 Rackets, 26 Intrigues), we have 359 cards for this game! 359! And they've surely planning more to come in the future as we speak?

Yeah.... The number of tactics cards is getting outright silly now.

We still need a proper set for Genestealer Cults/Chaos Cults/Vanguard.

Baxx wrote:
Not sure, I think they won't, as standard tactics cards have never been printed in books before. Looks like there will be 13 "Underdog Tactics cards". Not sure how these differ from normal ones. The authors want these to be used when the difference is 400 or greater, so perhaps these are extra powerful tactics cards? Normal tactics cards are usually priced 100 credits, so these could be 4 times as powerful? 12 Tactics cards are also included, so these will be in the same category as the 176 we got already? And finally, a how-to card explaining how to use underdog tactics cards. As they seem to be forced to always have 26 cards in each deck to be sold.

The product descriptions on the preorder page makes me think they might.

Compare:

Enforcer Tactis Cards Pack: "26 cards adding extra Tactics for your Palanite Enforcers"

Intrigues and Rackets Card Pack: "52 reference cards for use in your games"

Necromunda: Badzone Environments & Events Cards: "26 reference cards for your games"

Underdog Card Pack: "26 reference cards for use in your games"

We know that the Badzone and Intrigues card reprint material straight from the books and only exist for people who prefer the convenience of cards. The Underdog pack description uses the same phrasing as those two packs, referring to the contents as "reference" cards. On the other hand, the backs of the Underdog cards clearly state "Tactics Card," and like you said, no previous tactics cards have appeared in rulebooks.

I suppose if all of the Underdog cards were meant to be played before a game begins it wouldn't matter if they were on a card or in the book. However, if they work like normal tactics cards, and are played in-game, they probably won't be in the hardcover.

 Graphite wrote:
Yeah.... The number of tactics cards is getting outright silly now.

They keep that in check but letting them go OOP

A lot of the new cards will have rules in their respective book release, but with so many things coming out having to flick through a dozen books would be tedious.

Cards make it easier.

 privateer4hire wrote:

 Graphite wrote:
Yeah.... The number of tactics cards is getting outright silly now.

They keep that in check but letting them go OOP

Didn't they mention in Thursday's stream the OOP gang tactics would be replaced by a new edition sometime soonish? The old packs might get a one-off reprint, but it sounded as if they were mainly planning on a new batch, bringing the total to.. well, I don't even want to know.

Even better. They superseded the main rulebook plus gang war supplements so why not replace the original cards instead of just keeping them in print.

It's like they're taking bets.
Hey, hey. What if we re-released the dice to have different symbols so the old dice and only put them in a new starter?

And then we'd HAVE to re-re-release the core book and gangs hard covers to cover all the changes new dice would cause.

But they haven't done that...

Asking for general consensus, what specific 3rd party head replacements would you suggest to replace the enforcer helmets and keep the "Police/SWAT/whateverpolicestrokeforceyouknow" feel? I don't like them.

 privateer4hire wrote:
Even better. They superseded the main rulebook plus gang war supplements so why not replace the original cards instead of just keeping them in print.

Oh, no, let me clarify that: when I said "replace" I meant as a product they stock (for a while at least...). The original cards are still as "legal" as they have always been. Which is why they might reprint them as a one-off at some point for those who missed out, but for whatever reason they will add to the pile with another wave of gang tactics cards.
Well, the "whatever reason" of course mainly is "to sell more cards to people who already bought them the first time around". After all, aren't we all asking, nay, begging for yet more tactics cards?

Say what you want, GW certainly are creative in making a lot of money out of a small skirmish game requiring a dozen or so models.

 Hawky wrote:
Asking for general consensus, what specific 3rd party head replacements would you suggest to replace the enforcer helmets and keep the "Police/SWAT/whateverpolicestrokeforceyouknow" feel? I don't like them.

I went with Mad Robots Space Police heads. The have a few options but I bought this one: https://madrobotminiatures.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=327
Keeps a Dredd-ish police look.

Do you know anything about size and proportions of those heads? Had some bad luck earlier with convertions for Necromunda where scale was way off from some 3rd party companies.

 Altruizine wrote:

We know that the Badzone and Intrigues card reprint material straight from the books and only exist for people who prefer the convenience of cards. The Underdog pack description uses the same phrasing as those two packs, referring to the contents as "reference" cards. On the other hand, the backs of the Underdog cards clearly state "Tactics Card," and like you said, no previous tactics cards have appeared in rulebooks.

I suppose if all of the Underdog cards were meant to be played before a game begins it wouldn't matter if they were on a card or in the book. However, if they work like normal tactics cards, and are played in-game, they probably won't be in the hardcover.

You have a sharp eye, reference cards probably will be in the book! So we can expect to see a list of Underdog Tactics in the book.

Baxx wrote:
Do you know anything about size and proportions of those heads? Had some bad luck earlier with convertions for Necromunda where scale was way off from some 3rd party companies.

As far as I know they are scaled to 28mm heroics. I haved the heads already and they seem on par with primaris helms and normal marine helms.

 WhiteHaven wrote:

 Hawky wrote:
Asking for general consensus, what specific 3rd party head replacements would you suggest to replace the enforcer helmets and keep the "Police/SWAT/whateverpolicestrokeforceyouknow" feel? I don't like them.

I went with Mad Robots Space Police heads. The have a few options but I bought this one: https://madrobotminiatures.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=327
Keeps a Dredd-ish police look.

I'm thinking of these



https://madrobotminiatures.com/index.php?main_page=advanced_search_result&search_in_description=1&keyword=ballistic+helmet

Sort of SWAT, Visitors from V look.


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 Coenus Scaldingus wrote:

 privateer4hire wrote:
Even better. They superseded the main rulebook plus gang war supplements so why not replace the original cards instead of just keeping them in print.

Oh, no, let me clarify that: when I said "replace" I meant as a product they stock (for a while at least...). The original cards are still as "legal" as they have always been. Which is why they might reprint them as a one-off at some point for those who missed out, but for whatever reason they will add to the pile with another wave of gang tactics cards.
Well, the "whatever reason" of course mainly is "to sell more cards to people who already bought them the first time around". After all, aren't we all asking, nay, begging for yet more tactics cards?

Say what you want, GW certainly are creative in making a lot of money out of a small skirmish game requiring a dozen or so models.

They should just do an app. With a $30 monthly subscription

 WhiteHaven wrote:

As far as I know they are scaled to 28mm heroics. I haved the heads already and they seem on par with primaris helms and normal marine helms.

Ok that's a pity, because space marine helmets are far too big for imperial guard sized infantry.


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 privateer4hire wrote:

They keep that in check but letting them go OOP

How convenient for them to fire-and-forget these cards. They some times make new cards with same name of existing cards. Or new cards with identical effect as existing cards (repeating themselves). For me, it's much more difficult. I'm actually collecting all these cards and saving them for the future, when Necromunda once again is abandoned by GW.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:

 WhiteHaven wrote:

 Hawky wrote:
Asking for general consensus, what specific 3rd party head replacements would you suggest to replace the enforcer helmets and keep the "Police/SWAT/whateverpolicestrokeforceyouknow" feel? I don't like them.

I went with Mad Robots Space Police heads. The have a few options but I bought this one: https://madrobotminiatures.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=327
Keeps a Dredd-ish police look.

I'm thinking of these



https://madrobotminiatures.com/index.php?main_page=advanced_search_result&search_in_description=1&keyword=ballistic+helmet

Sort of SWAT, Visitors from V look.

I've always been a fan of these:
https://maxmini.eu/police-helmets-bits

I have not chimed in on this game in a long while, but I've decided to express my own feelings on it.

I had been super excited for Necro'17. I bought all the Gang War books and even bought FW supplements weapons for my Escher and Van Saar (I otherwise never buy from FW). Well, they lost a Necro customer with the quick release of the compendium rules/gang book.

Happy GW lost a customer, hopefully Necromunda didn't lose a player!

>Well, they lost a Necro customer with the quick release of the compendium rules/gang book

For me it was the complete opposite.
I also bought all the Gang War books - but they were such a mess that I might have abandoned N17 had they not released the compendium/N18 (which clarified some parts).

Baxx wrote:

 WhiteHaven wrote:

As far as I know they are scaled to 28mm heroics. I haved the heads already and they seem on par with primaris helms and normal marine helms.

Ok that's a pity, because space marine helmets are far too big for imperial guard sized infantry.


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 privateer4hire wrote:

They keep that in check but letting them go OOP

How convenient for them to fire-and-forget these cards. They some times make new cards with same name of existing cards. Or new cards with identical effect as existing cards (repeating themselves). For me, it's much more difficult. I'm actually collecting all these cards and saving them for the future, when Necromunda once again is abandoned by GW.

The heads I bought are in a rather big helmet, the normal heads look like they might fit guard just fine.