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Ehldar wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Looks pretty good.

I like the jam dice mechanic, certainly makes things trickier.

Holy !! Something I recommended / hoped for (and took some flak for) actually made it into the game!?!?

https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/780/736106.page#9563546

Well jams on the sustained fire dice in the original were a thing, so not really unexpected to see them make it in...

NoggintheNog wrote:
Bit of a play through

that video sucked. THey didn't even talked about the tactical cards, nor tell us of there was an overwatch mechanism

I'm not too keen on laying down pinned models. This is just a peeve and not a big deal. But I had the same issue with Blood Bowl and it puts extra stress on handling/paintjobs. It doesn't look as concerning here as it would happen less often. But I would have rather they just had a pinned token or something for that. The gameplay in the video looks decent to me. I'm slightly more convinced of it now.

As for the female models, there is room for them in other gangs for variety/alternate sculpts. But the one team in the starter set consists of vat grown roided dudes and that is kind of their whole point.

I'm hoping they tease another gang soon though, shadespire had four teams teased weeks and months before it even released.

I’m quite happy that jams and ammo are not a permanent thing anymore. No-one likes draining the battery pack on their long-las first turn and being forced to either use it as a club or go home.

Also I edited my post to add stuff about recovery.

 Nostromodamus wrote:

Ehldar wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Looks pretty good.

I like the jam dice mechanic, certainly makes things trickier.

Holy !! Something I recommended / hoped for (and took some flak for) actually made it into the game!?!?

https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/780/736106.page#9563546

Well jams on the sustained fire dice in the original were a thing, so not really unexpected to see them make it in...

True...but every shot can jam not just sustained, which makes a lot more sense.

Ehldar wrote:

 Nostromodamus wrote:

Ehldar wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Looks pretty good.

I like the jam dice mechanic, certainly makes things trickier.

Holy !! Something I recommended / hoped for (and took some flak for) actually made it into the game!?!?

https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/780/736106.page#9563546

Well jams on the sustained fire dice in the original were a thing, so not really unexpected to see them make it in...

True...but every shot can jam not just sustained, which makes a lot more sense.

Yes, you can now jam and miss as well as jam and hit like the old days.

Yodhrin wrote:

 The Infinite wrote:
Is that it?

Enthusiasm is seriously ebbing at this point.

The game system seems, well, simplistic isn't the right word, simple can still provide depth, can still call for interesting decisions, that seems...
basic?
undemanding?
elementary?

Maybe it changes with 3D terrain, or gets better with more models.

But, the crap paint jobs on all the promo models combined with a system that frankly looks and sounds like something I'll be bored of in a week have put me in a serious downer in relation to this game.

I mean, what were you expecting? It's pretty much Necromunda as-was with a few tweaks taken from 8th and a few extras from back in Rogue Trader, plus alternating activations. Necromunda and Mordheim haven't survived for all this time with minimal and later zero support from GW because they were brain-geenius-super-duper-chess-stratego-master games, their strength was always the whacky gak that happened that created daft wee stories for your guys and in their detailed postgame sequences.

I was expecting better than what was on show in that vid.
Like maybe some acknowledgement that the last 20 years have happened and tabletop gaming has moved on a long way compared with what was available back when Necromunda first hit the shelves. Maybe an attempt to update the rules to something that can at least stand in the same room as a modern miniature game without getting laughed at. Alternating activation, with no attempt at retaining initiative to coordinate troopers is... not great...
I hope there is a lot more to the game than just "I activate this model, it does its thing and now sits there like a gormless twit while the battle happens around it".
Reaction rules maybe, something to indicate you're actually involved in the game, making decisions (even limited ones) while your opponent activates their models.
If they're actually in the game, leaving them out while showcasing their new version of the game was a big mistake IMO.

streetsamurai wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:

 The Infinite wrote:
Is that it?

Enthusiasm is seriously ebbing at this point.

The game system seems, well, simplistic isn't the right word, simple can still provide depth, can still call for interesting decisions, that seems...
basic?
undemanding?
elementary?

Maybe it changes with 3D terrain, or gets better with more models.

But, the crap paint jobs on all the promo models combined with a system that frankly looks and sounds like something I'll be bored of in a week have put me in a serious downer in relation to this game.

I mean, what were you expecting? It's pretty much Necromunda as-was with a few tweaks taken from 8th and a few extras from back in Rogue Trader, plus alternating activations. Necromunda and Mordheim haven't survived for all this time with minimal and later zero support from GW because they were brain-geenius-super-duper-chess-stratego-master games, their strength was always the whacky gak that happened that created daft wee stories for your guys and in their detailed postgame sequences.

Exactly. THe fun, tactis and strategies in necromunda comes with the post fight combat phase and the campaign rules. It's not a good system for one-off games, but it's the best one ever made (imo) for campaigns, cause it's simplicity make it perfect for introducing new skills and new gears.

Honestly, it was good for its time but there are a lot of systems with better campaigns available now. I hope they've spent a lot more time updating the campaign rules than they appear to have spent on what was on show.

COuld you name a few. Been looking for some and I never was able to find one

The problem with mixed gendered gangs is that all of sudden you don't have ultra compatible and modular kits. Many parts won't be possible to use in the other gender models of the gang.

 Thargrim wrote:
I'm not too keen on laying down pinned models. This is just a peeve and not a big deal. But I had the same issue with Blood Bowl and it puts extra stress on handling/paintjobs. It doesn't look as concerning here as it would happen less often. But I would have rather they just had a pinned token or something for that.

There's no reason you couldn't use a token instead of laying the model over.
I never had issues with paint chipping on my metal gangers though. And they spent a lot of time lying down...

 Galas wrote:
The problem with mixed gendered gangs is that all of sudden you don't have ultra compatible and modular kits. Many parts won't be possible to use in the other gender models of the gang.

Depends. Generally agreed, but then Dark Eldar exist and don't have that problem. Delaque coats and Van Saar suits shouldn't be an issue, nor Cawdor, really. All that provided they keep the general design. With sleeveless Orlock they might not get as much modularity, though.

Have we got a table size yet? Have found that the newer skirmish games on the market work very well on 3' by 3' and wondered if they'll adopt this compact approach

 Thargrim wrote:
I'm not too keen on laying down pinned models. This is just a peeve and not a big deal. But I had the same issue with Blood Bowl and it puts extra stress on handling/paintjobs. It doesn't look as concerning here as it would happen less often. But I would have rather they just had a pinned token or something for that. The gameplay in the video looks decent to me. I'm slightly more convinced of it now.

As for the female models, there is room for them in other gangs for variety/alternate sculpts. But the one team in the starter set consists of vat grown roided dudes and that is kind of their whole point.

I'm hoping they tease another gang soon though, shadespire had four teams teased weeks and months before it even released.

Its great for pictures but i agree

just nab some tokens.

 Flashman wrote:
Have we got a table size yet? Have found that the newer skirmish games on the market work very well on 3' by 3' and wondered if they'll adopt this compact approach

Necromunda is more about height than footprint.

If you’ve got a 2x2 board that’s 2’ High with varying levels, it’s just as good as a wider footprint.

otcs wrote:
Female bald Delaques? lol

You gots a problem with that, chummer?

(Then again, I like Sinead O'Connor....)

The Auld Grump

 streetsamurai wrote:
COuld you name a few. Been looking for some and I never was able to find one

Yeah people keep claiming that, but I've yet to see any named much less argued.

I think the problem is quite simple, The Infinite - you didn't want to play Necromunda, so you're not happy with the game Necromunda. The clue would appear to be there in the name.

 Yodhrin wrote:

 streetsamurai wrote:
COuld you name a few. Been looking for some and I never was able to find one

Yeah people keep claiming that, but I've yet to see any named much less argued.

I think the problem is quite simple, The Infinite - you didn't want to play Necromunda, so you're not happy with the game Necromunda. The clue would appear to be there in the name.

Yeah, I've seen nothing like necromunda in 2 decades. Gonna call that BS as it stands.
Necromunda is not the 'best' game, but no tabletop has told better stories than it.
Not even frostgrave comes close.

 TheAuldGrump wrote:

otcs wrote:
Female bald Delaques? lol

You gots a problem with that, chummer?

Looks cool. what model is that?

I really hope there are females in other gangs too, but if there aren't I will probably convert Eschers to create mixed-gender gangs.

Neronoxx wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:

 streetsamurai wrote:
COuld you name a few. Been looking for some and I never was able to find one

Yeah people keep claiming that, but I've yet to see any named much less argued.

I think the problem is quite simple, The Infinite - you didn't want to play Necromunda, so you're not happy with the game Necromunda. The clue would appear to be there in the name.

Yeah, I've seen nothing like necromunda in 2 decades. Gonna call that BS as it stands.
Necromunda is not the 'best' game, but no tabletop has told better stories than it.
Not even frostgrave comes close.

Decades later, the only tabletop game that I have enjoyed more than Necromunda has been Mordheim.

It all comes down to the campaign play, and Necromunda has a lot of flavor. Even Mordheim is not quite as tasty in that regard.

The Auld Grump

 streetsamurai wrote:

 Souleater wrote:

 streetsamurai wrote:

 Souleater wrote:
I hope we will see female models included in the other houses.

I get Goliath being all male as an opposite to Escher's all female.

hopeully we won't, unless for a few specific gangs were they fit (maybe van saar, spyrer, ratskin and scavvies)

What's wrong with it, say, female Orlocks or Delaques?

Biker gangs, which are the inspiration of Orlock, don't have any female members.

Anyway, it's pretty obvious that pretty much all of the other gangs will be male only.

 Crimson wrote:

 TheAuldGrump wrote:

otcs wrote:
Female bald Delaques? lol

You gots a problem with that, chummer?

Looks cool. what model is that?

I really hope there are females in other gangs too, but if there aren't I will probably convert Eschers to create mixed-gender gangs.

That is Silk, from Heresy Miniatures - the sculptor Andy Foster did an entire not-Delaque gang, complete with heavies, specialists, and a guy doing a cartwheel....


I have a weird suspicion about what his favorite gang was.... And he included females.


As well as a guy that looks like he, well... could cut down on the cheeseburgers a bit.



Honestly, I don't know how many of my local group will be using just GW figures - I plan on using Victoria Lamb's excellent Victorians as neo-Victorian van Saar, and my wife is talking about doing... ... ... an Escher gang based on Ilsa from a series of rather nasty movies from he seventies... using characters from Raging Heroes.


The Auld Grump - there is no excuse for Megan to be doing a gang based on Ilsa - She Wolf of the SS! She hadn't even been born when that movie came out!

Neronoxx wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:

 streetsamurai wrote:
COuld you name a few. Been looking for some and I never was able to find one

Yeah people keep claiming that, but I've yet to see any named much less argued.

I think the problem is quite simple, The Infinite - you didn't want to play Necromunda, so you're not happy with the game Necromunda. The clue would appear to be there in the name.

Yeah, I've seen nothing like necromunda in 2 decades. Gonna call that BS as it stands.
Necromunda is not the 'best' game, but no tabletop has told better stories than it.
Not even frostgrave comes close.

The only other skirmish game that I have ever liked as much as Necromunda is This is Not a Test. I describe it to people as 'Falloutmunda'.

I'm not going to try and say it is 'better' - which is subjective - but I will say that it is the only other skirmish level game that I can think of that I enjoyed at that level.

I'm very happy that Necromunda is coming back!

They did it right. Multipose kits for the gangs and make your own gangs with the rules mostly as they were.

 Geifer wrote:


Depends. Generally agreed, but then Dark Eldar exist and don't have that problem.

Only because the existing plastic DE kits slapped boobs on a male torso and called it a day. It kinda works because we're fine with Space Elves being a little androgynous and even then Hesperax blows every supposedly female DE model out of contention precisely because she doesn't have to contend with limitations of a multipart kit mixing genders.

I want female Van Saar and Delaque and Orlocks, but I think I'd rather have good models over varied ones, so here's hoping GW doesn't try to force too much modular design if the deign to make a mixed gender gang in the future.

So far what I have heard about the new version I am okay with..

Any word on the scale difference?? I know with Blood bowl figures there was some, but don't remember how bad compared from old to new..

Just would like to mix and match my stuff and not have figures stick out like a sore thumb.

 Genoside07 wrote:
So far what I have heard about the new version I am okay with..

Any word on the scale difference?? I know with Blood bowl figures there was some, but don't remember how bad compared from old to new..

Just would like to mix and match my stuff and not have figures stick out like a sore thumb.

If you go to the gang section on the site they show you pics of all the minis in that particular gang individually.

Adjust the image so the bases are 25mm for Esher 32 for goliath at their longest.

You can then hold up a mini to the screen to have a size comparison.

 His Master's Voice wrote:

 Geifer wrote:


Depends. Generally agreed, but then Dark Eldar exist and don't have that problem.

Only because the existing plastic DE kits slapped boobs on a male torso and called it a day. It kinda works because we're fine with Space Elves being a little androgynous and even then Hesperax blows every supposedly female DE model out of contention precisely because she doesn't have to contend with limitations of a multipart kit mixing genders.

I want female Van Saar and Delaque and Orlocks, but I think I'd rather have good models over varied ones, so here's hoping GW doesn't try to force too much modular design if the deign to make a mixed gender gang in the future.

Plus eldar by nature are already more slender sculpt wise. The Escher models are more muscular and thick by comparison. I definitely agree i'd rather the models be good than pander to male/female variety ratios or something. I'm more worried GW will leave out or redesign the redemtionists or more blanche esque gothic/medieval gangs too much. I really like the classic medieval fanatic wacko in space with a gun kind of thing. It's important each gang be characterful and unique, and not simply bland.

Neronoxx wrote:
Yeah, I've seen nothing like necromunda in 2 decades. Gonna call that BS as it stands.
Necromunda is not the 'best' game, but no tabletop has told better stories than it.
Not even frostgrave comes close.

That's just it!

The video shows you how a Necromunda scenario plays, but not how the game plays. The game is far more than moving, shooting and taking damage. So much of the game is between the scenarios.

Watching the video with the BoW guy (dunno if he's still with them) I see that there's a clear template/measuriing device that looks siimilar to the one from Deathwatch Overkill.

Dice in Shadespire work somewhat like the dice in Betray @ Calth. Wondering if they were using the one and done releases to test some mechanics.

Unleash a Genestealer in the gang fight. use a random roll, if it suits your fancy.
1-2 Genestealer
3-4 Demon
5-6 Alien

The opponent moves and fires the model, for the opposite side.



So far, the game is a great child of the original. The size is just something that I will eat, because Heresy minis Not Delaques are... slightly smaller.