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 Vain wrote:
Yep, the different colour arms are a dead give away.

oh jeeze...I'm getting flashbacks of the early primaris marine leak thread

...but yeah, that's gotta be a resin upgrade kit there

They are indeed the upgrades, shown off at the Heresy and Necromunda Weekender a couple of weeks back.

That is most definitly the upgrade sprue because while Orlocks do come with a lot of new weapons and some common weapons, the box only include those weapons that are 'themed' to Orlocks. What you see in the picture is a wide variety of special weapons (meltas, flamers, plasmas) and other less common weapons like hand flamer, not typical for Orlock, so not available in the box, but instead sold separately (in the near future hopefully).

Vorian wrote:
People have GW2 now right? Is the recurring hire fee really 280 credits on this guy or is that a one off fee and there are other rules for retaining hired guns?

GW2 is not out yet.

I would expect the price to be for one game. I've played only a handful of game so far (4-5) and got almost 600 credits to spare. If it wasn't for bounty hunters, I'd have nothing to spend them on!

You'll earn D6x10 per champion/leader per game (if you didn't get them injuried or had to take someone else to the doc) + D6x10 per turf each 'cycle'. On average, it could take 2-3 games to get enough money to buy one of those bounty hunters. Did you expect to be able to afford one more often than that?

Sorry, only for one battle.

I'm pretty sure you have lots of better thing to spend on (beside weapon) like Armor undersuited, more Ammor Cache, ammunition, grenade., Bio booster, Google, Med Kit.....

Yeah, not really feeling the allure of hired guns myself either.

I guess its if you don't have enough gang members left or something. They don't seem that useful.

Baxx wrote:
GW2 is not out yet.

Just to add - it was available during the Weekender so it is out in the wild

Hired scum are extremely good extra body for your gang. You pay 30 credit for a ganger with equip. They are also good meat shield

With 30 credit you can only afford a Juve with some cheap equip. Juves are lmited and not very good at being meat shield.

Do Bounty Hunters come in the category of 'Hired Guns'? I would guess so.

Chopstick wrote:
I'm pretty sure you have lots of better thing to spend on (beside weapon) like Armor undersuited, more Ammor Cache, ammunition, grenade., Bio booster, Google, Med Kit.....

I play wysiwyg so I already got all the weapons the models comes with from start. Sure I could add nades, but with their short range I prefer to Charge instead. Armoured undersuit could be useful, actually forgot to add it to my combined rules document so never thought about it.

Chopstick wrote:
Hired scum are extremely good extra body for your gang. You pay 30 credit for a ganger with equip. They are also good meat shield

With 30 credit you can only afford a Juve with some cheap equip. Juves are lmited and not very good at being meat shield.

Do you have to pay the 60 creds for their equipment as well as the 30 creds base hire - I was not sure on that?

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
I guess its if you don't have enough gang members left or something. They don't seem that useful.

Bounty Hunters seems more useful than most Gangers or even Champions if you ignore their high price.

 Mr Morden wrote:

Chopstick wrote:
Hired scum are extremely good extra body for your gang. You pay 30 credit for a ganger with equip. They are also good meat shield

With 30 credit you can only afford a Juve with some cheap equip. Juves are lmited and not very good at being meat shield.

Do you have to pay the 60 creds for their equipment as well as the 30 creds base hire - I was not sure on that?

Yep. 30 for the model, up to 60 for the gear.
Juves are about 25 I think and have limited access to equipment, gangers are 30 as well I think.
So I guess a hive scum is if you want another ganger but don't have one.

 Mr Morden wrote:

Chopstick wrote:
Hired scum are extremely good extra body for your gang. You pay 30 credit for a ganger with equip. They are also good meat shield

With 30 credit you can only afford a Juve with some cheap equip. Juves are lmited and not very good at being meat shield.

Do you have to pay the 60 creds for their equipment as well as the 30 creds base hire - I was not sure on that?

You pay 30 credit, you give them 60 credit worth of equipment the allowed section. It is pretty clear.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

Juves are about 25 I think and have limited access to equipment, gangers are 30 as well I think.
So I guess a hive scum is if you want another ganger but don't have one.

Ganger are more than double the price of Juves. If they're 30 ganger spam will be dominant.

Scum are there to make up numbers - you're getting the equivalent of a ganger worth over 100 credits for 30; bargain. Bounty Hunters are for when you need someone with "a particular set of skills".

 AndrewGPaul wrote:
On a related note, I've got the Kal Jerico comics and novels that Black Library released, which cover his doings in the Underhive (and Hive City, and the Spire, for that matter), but where were the stories about his goings-on with the Inquisition published? I've only read that part of his background on Lexicanum.

'Kal Jerico: Above and Beyond' in Warhammer Monthly #56-59 & 64-68.

Note that this run was not included in Kal Jerico: Underhive Bounty Hunter, despite that book's description claiming to be a complete collection.

The Redeemer likewise missed a story, shame.

Damn, one can only hire up to 5 scum :(

Was thinking about spending all my cash in one big go, about 18 hire scums with no weapons...

Why no weapons? The weapons are free.

Are the weapons free? :O Damn!

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Why no weapons? The weapons are free.

Where does it say that? It says up to 60 credits worth of equipment. Wouldn't that imply you have to pay for gear?

So you think you pay 90 credits for a single-use Hired Gun?

What would be the purpose of a hired gun then?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
So you think you pay 90 credits for a single-use Hired Gun?

What would be the purpose of a hired gun then?

Technically it would be 35-90 credits, assuming the cheapest is 5 credits. You don't have to buy 60 credits worth of equipment, just up to that amount.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
So you think you pay 90 credits for a single-use Hired Gun?

What would be the purpose of a hired gun then?

That's what I was thinking... but then the named one's are so expensive.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Technically it would be 35-90 credits, assuming the cheapest is 5 credits. You don't have to buy 60 credits worth of equipment, just up to that amount.

And again, what would be the purpose? Wouldn't you be better off spending the same (or often less) than that on permanent gang members?

The 60 simply cannot be something that your gang pays for. That doesn't make conceptual sense.

Agreed, the wargear is definitely free.

I agree that makes sense - but then compare a 30 pt Scum to the 280 pt Squat

If you pay 30 for the fighter and additional 60 for the weapons, you could still get 3-4 hired scum for the same price as an individual bounty hunter.

If you only pay 30 for the fighter and the weapons come for free, you could get 8-9 hired scum for the same price as an individual bounty hunter.

I did not expect them to be cheap. In Blood Bowl, 'hired guns' (Star Players and Mercenaries) always costs more than what your normal players would.

I doubt that the weapons are free. They should be because they are members of a single use, but then the named characters would not make sense their price

Instead of unit profiles, which aren't going to provide any answers, does someone have a shot of the actual rules that cover hiring mercenaries?