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 dan2026 wrote:
What are people's thoughts on Tyrant Guard?
Is it best to keep them stock (and cheaper) rather than springing for expensive crushing claws?

Took 3 with the swarmlord in a game today. Stock with toxin sacs and adrenal glands.
Very useful in keeping him alive vs a renegade knight's shooting, plus some cultist fire.

Because of them, swamlord was able to take out the knight, plus some tzaangor bowmen.

Edit: my army relies on the swarmlord slingshotting kraken stealers. When I don't take tyrant guard he gets shot off the field around T3 vs most armies I play. With them he lasts t4 or longer.

Unsure of they're worth the points. Thinking about a malanthrope instead... but unsure how to quantify which is better protection.

Stack them both.

 Eldarain wrote:
Stack them both.

i too will have a 600pt Swarmlord to go thanks

That boat sailed when taking Swarmy with Guard. It's not like the Thrope wouldn't be supporting other elements

I'm with you on the Malanthrope. As you said, the boat sails with the Guard.

If you want a -1 to protect both units just use venomthropes. They work at 1-2 models on the hive guard, who are the ones getting shot first instead of the swarmlord by anyone with a brain.

 dan2026 wrote:
What are people's thoughts on Tyrant Guard?
Is it best to keep them stock (and cheaper) rather than springing for expensive crushing claws?

Just keep them cheap, they are just more wound for a swarmy and/or a hive tyrant.

honestly if you are going to take them, the 1pt toxin sacs are basically an autoinclude on 37pt model that already comes with rending claws. Similar with AG too.

 SHUPPET wrote:
honestly if you are going to take them, the 1pt toxin sacs are basically an autoinclude on 37pt model that already comes with rending claws. Similar with AG too.

Usually I run them with AG only and they are more than perfect for me.

 SHUPPET wrote:
They are absolute Garbage. Imagine Hellblasters, but you replaced the Plasma with... Scything Talons. And +1W. That's literally what Tyrant Guard are. Oh and they cost more. Trash unit that GW has shown no interest in fixing in like 15 years.

Dat T5 though. Dat 3+ save. So valuable you must pay much points. LOL. What is a Tyrant guard actually worth? 20 points?

Also the swarmlord. Has a great ability but it's actual value considering it can be removed easily is probably only about 40 points. Then his increase combat ability...I'd say another 40 points over a walkrant with boneswords. So about 240 is right for the swarmlord.

Tyrant Guard are over costed. Swarmy can be taken solo with a -1 shroud and good LoS blocking terrain.

NOn tactics question- anyone got any good pics or links of MASSIVE Nid collecions? I'm talking like SM Chapter Level amount of nids. The most I think I have seen are what Matt Has on Miniwargaming.

 Dynas wrote:
Tyrant Guard are over costed. Swarmy can be taken solo with a -1 shroud and good LoS blocking terrain.

NOn tactics question- anyone got any good pics or links of MASSIVE Nid collecions? I'm talking like SM Chapter Level amount of nids. The most I think I have seen are what Matt Has on Miniwargaming.

Swarmlord is unique - he can't take relics and has a warlord trait he must take. This warlord trait also sucks. To be -1 he has to be next to a malenthrope. This however won't protect you much - you are better off taking overpriced tyrant gaurd.

 Dynas wrote:
Tyrant Guard are over costed. Swarmy can be taken solo with a -1 shroud and good LoS blocking terrain.

NOn tactics question- anyone got any good pics or links of MASSIVE Nid collecions? I'm talking like SM Chapter Level amount of nids. The most I think I have seen are what Matt Has on Miniwargaming.

Well.... I dont have any new pictures, this one is 4-5yrs old and i have Doubled if not Triple my amount, i'm up to 14k points now.

I've added something like 100 gants, 30 goyles, Barb H, Dimachaeron, 2 Stone Crusher (one of each), more Fexes, Tfex, more stealers, 2 more flyers, 2 more Flyrants, a new real Tyrannocyte (Mine is custom and was the size int he 5tf codex) sadly total of 9 Shrieks, Malanthrope, another unit of Zoanthropes and 3 Neurothropes, witha full unit of Venomthropes.

Edit: I have a great idea to make a plastic Harridian, i just dont want to ATM b.c they are really bad.

 Xenomancers wrote:

 Dynas wrote:
Tyrant Guard are over costed. Swarmy can be taken solo with a -1 shroud and good LoS blocking terrain.

NOn tactics question- anyone got any good pics or links of MASSIVE Nid collecions? I'm talking like SM Chapter Level amount of nids. The most I think I have seen are what Matt Has on Miniwargaming.

Swarmlord is unique - he can't take relics and has a warlord trait he must take. This warlord trait also sucks. To be -1 he has to be next to a malenthrope. This however won't protect you much - you are better off taking overpriced tyrant gaurd.

Yeah i know. I meant malanthrope or venomthrope brood of 4+ models.

 Xenomancers wrote:

 Dynas wrote:
Tyrant Guard are over costed. Swarmy can be taken solo with a -1 shroud and good LoS blocking terrain.

NOn tactics question- anyone got any good pics or links of MASSIVE Nid collecions? I'm talking like SM Chapter Level amount of nids. The most I think I have seen are what Matt Has on Miniwargaming.

Swarmlord is unique - he can't take relics and has a warlord trait he must take. This warlord trait also sucks. To be -1 he has to be next to a malenthrope. This however won't protect you much - you are better off taking overpriced tyrant gaurd.

Not if it is protecting another 800pts of stuff..... You take Venoms/Malan to protect a large amount, a Malanthrope gives you protection and a HQ slot, sure no Powers like Neurothrope, but if you have 1000pts with -1 to hit, that might be much more important.

 Amishprn86 wrote:

 Xenomancers wrote:

 Dynas wrote:
Tyrant Guard are over costed. Swarmy can be taken solo with a -1 shroud and good LoS blocking terrain.

NOn tactics question- anyone got any good pics or links of MASSIVE Nid collecions? I'm talking like SM Chapter Level amount of nids. The most I think I have seen are what Matt Has on Miniwargaming.

Swarmlord is unique - he can't take relics and has a warlord trait he must take. This warlord trait also sucks. To be -1 he has to be next to a malenthrope. This however won't protect you much - you are better off taking overpriced tyrant gaurd.

Not if it is protecting another 800pts of stuff..... You take Venoms/Malan to protect a large amount, a Malanthrope gives you protection and a HQ slot, sure no Powers like Neurothrope, but if you have 1000pts with -1 to hit, that might be much more important.

I've run both malan and venoms. I have slowly begin to favor the venomthrope because they are cheapre and provide a wider area of coverage. One unit can screen the enitre army if deployed properly.

I find that the Swarmlord gets one turn of usefulness. With venom/mal support he can normally survive a turn on the board,but not two. I find tyrant guard don't add enough durability to be worth the cost, and they don't impact the game in a meaningful way if Swarmy dies. I would rather use the points on something big and threatening that will draw fire away from Swarmy, like a flyrant.

'thrope wise, I go back and forth on them. IF you have adequate LOS blocking terrain for the full brood, you can generally get 100% coverage for at least the first turn. If not, they tend to evaporate quickly and the character protection on the mal is more important.

Amishprn86 wrote:

 Dynas wrote:
Tyrant Guard are over costed. Swarmy can be taken solo with a -1 shroud and good LoS blocking terrain.

NOn tactics question- anyone got any good pics or links of MASSIVE Nid collecions? I'm talking like SM Chapter Level amount of nids. The most I think I have seen are what Matt Has on Miniwargaming.

Well.... I dont have any new pictures, this one is 4-5yrs old and i have Doubled if not Triple my amount, i'm up to 14k points now.

I've added something like 100 gants, 30 goyles, Barb H, Dimachaeron, 2 Stone Crusher (one of each), more Fexes, Tfex, more stealers, 2 more flyers, 2 more Flyrants, a new real Tyrannocyte (Mine is custom and was the size int he 5tf codex) sadly total of 9 Shrieks, Malanthrope, another unit of Zoanthropes and 3 Neurothropes, witha full unit of Venomthropes.

Edit: I have a great idea to make a plastic Harridian, i just dont want to ATM b.c they are really bad.

great collection bro, you've got the makings to build whatever you need just by one or two additions here and there. Keep working on em and finish painting your models before buying new ones! That piece of advice helped me a lot anyway.

Oh, like i said i've added another 6-7k to that pic, i need to take a new picture but i dont want to get out all the models lol.

My problem currently is i have to many armies i play, since i can play 24/7 i tend to play a lot, i play 2-4 games a week, at times even more so.

So my DE, Nids, SOB, and Quins all get equal love, that means painting is slow....

Yeah matt's collection is even bigger than mine. If this picture is it then he's got 9 Tervigon / Tyrannofex alone, not sure why anybody would need more than 3 of either.

ISnt he the Owner of MWG? Being an owner is a bit of advantage XD lol

Sucks because the (tyrant guard) models are dope.

barboggo wrote:
Sucks because the (tyrant guard) models are dope.

The new ones are lol, i still have 6 of the old metal ones. They are kinda cute and neat looking too, but nothing like the new ones.

the new ones have some nice curves for sure. I think I'm going to use all the armor flairs of the Tyrant guard that I have left over from my two Hive Guard kits, to make a proper royal looking Swarmlord.

 SHUPPET wrote:

Yeah matt's collection is even bigger than mine. If this picture is it then he's got 9 Tervigon / Tyrannofex alone, not sure why anybody would need more than 3 of either.

He bought them before the rule of 3 was a thing. Also, if you play big APOC games you can always throw out that rule.

 Dynas wrote:

 SHUPPET wrote:

Spoiler:

Yeah matt's collection is even bigger than mine. If this picture is it then he's got 9 Tervigon / Tyrannofex alone, not sure why anybody would need more than 3 of either.

He bought them before the rule of 3 was a thing. Also, if you play big APOC games you can always throw out that rule.

Well Ro3 is only for 2k points, at 3k its rule of 4 (1k its Ro2) , its safe to say every +1k is +1 to the rule.

If playing a 10k points game, having 11 of the same datasheet i would assume is enough LOL.

 Amishprn86 wrote:
ISnt he the Owner of MWG? Being an owner is a bit of advantage XD lol

yeah that certainly helps lol

What’s a good way to get started with Nids?

 JNAProductions wrote:
What’s a good way to get started with Nids?

2x Flying Hive Tyrants

10x Termagants
10x Termagants
3x Rippers


That's a nice battalion that you will probably use for most armies you build. From there expand to some Genestealers, Hive Guard, and Dakkafexes, and after that the world is your oyster. Get your foundation, then your core units, then you can move into luxury as you please.

Why Gants?

And what should I give the tyrants?