Marmatag wrote:

 blackmage wrote:
but why dont play a simpler 4+ flyrant list?

I suppose you could, it is the best unit in the codex.

 Astmeister wrote:

 Strat_N8 wrote:
One quick question, does Old One Eye benefit from his own Alpha Leader ability (+1 to hit rolls)? Only reason I ask is that it was pointed out to me during a test game the other night that he is technically a Carnifex unit and is obviously within range of himself, but the stacking of +1 to hit modifiers makes his Berserk Rampage ability rather silly (extra attacks on a 4+ to hit on the charge with Scything Talons, 5+ for Crushing Claws, hitting on a 2+ regardless). The game saw Old One Eye nearly 1-round a Stompa by himself (I used the fight twice stratagem to try to fully finish it off, but left it with 1 wound remaining).

IMHO he gets the +1 to hit.


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But my math hammer says he just does 10 damage to a Stompa on average.

 Amishprn86 wrote:

 Marmatag wrote:

 blackmage wrote:
but why dont play a simpler 4+ flyrant list?

I suppose you could, it is the best unit in the codex.

I was running the idea of 3 Supreme Detachments with all Flyrants, tho 3 different setups for them to match 3 different Fleets, still working it out. Its 10 in my list 3 with HVC's, (tho idk if i really need those).

I dont want to play this list, but i wanted to do Mathhammer and see how it will work out with the list.

 Marmatag wrote:


I've found instinctive killer to be the best warlord trait for a hive tyrant. Especially in the age of spam.

 Marmatag wrote:
It's a definite counter to the current meta of reapers. Tyrant spam was much better before the smite nerf. Now there are serious diminishing returns on a list like that.

Also, with Tau and Dark Eldar getting a codex, that list will probably not be viable. Poison weapons, gigantic guns dealing 3d6 damage... yeah. Flying Hive Tyrants are such big easy targets, when those 2 get their codex, I would not be surprised if this list dies completely.

Also Jormungandr will become one of the worst hive fleets. Marker lights will make a come back and remove cover with ease.

 blackmage wrote:

 Marmatag wrote:
It's a definite counter to the current meta of reapers. Tyrant spam was much better before the smite nerf. Now there are serious diminishing returns on a list like that.

Also, with Tau and Dark Eldar getting a codex, that list will probably not be viable. Poison weapons, gigantic guns dealing 3d6 damage... yeah. Flying Hive Tyrants are such big easy targets, when those 2 get their codex, I would not be surprised if this list dies completely.

Also Jormungandr will become one of the worst hive fleets. Marker lights will make a come back and remove cover with ease.

highly doubt any dark eldar list can withstand the onslaught of 6 deepstriking flyrant, with all those jucy r3 and low T/W veichles, btw 4 flyrants are enough and you have points for 6 hive guards and lot of stuff.

 Eihnlazer wrote:
6 flying 4 walking, 5 with HVC, 5 with double devourers. All with MRC and toxin sacs.


You can hold some of the kraken ones in reserve or stick em all on the table, depending on who your facing.

The tyrant guard soak up any alpha and you proceed on your way to victory.

 Marmatag wrote:

 blackmage wrote:

 Marmatag wrote:
It's a definite counter to the current meta of reapers. Tyrant spam was much better before the smite nerf. Now there are serious diminishing returns on a list like that.

Also, with Tau and Dark Eldar getting a codex, that list will probably not be viable. Poison weapons, gigantic guns dealing 3d6 damage... yeah. Flying Hive Tyrants are such big easy targets, when those 2 get their codex, I would not be surprised if this list dies completely.

Also Jormungandr will become one of the worst hive fleets. Marker lights will make a come back and remove cover with ease.

highly doubt any dark eldar list can withstand the onslaught of 6 deepstriking flyrant, with all those jucy r3 and low T/W veichles, btw 4 flyrants are enough and you have points for 6 hive guards and lot of stuff.

In their current form, you're right. But think about the leap we took with the codex.

 Marmatag wrote:
It's a definite counter to the current meta of reapers. Tyrant spam was much better before the smite nerf. Now there are serious diminishing returns on a list like that.

Also, with Tau and Dark Eldar getting a codex, that list will probably not be viable. Poison weapons, gigantic guns dealing 3d6 damage... yeah. Flying Hive Tyrants are such big easy targets, when those 2 get their codex, I would not be surprised if this list dies completely.

Also Jormungandr will become one of the worst hive fleets. Marker lights will make a come back and remove cover with ease.

 Amishprn86 wrote:
Well, dont forget DE is SUPPOSE to be Xeno's King of DSing. If they get back those abilities, he who DSing 1st will lose, so if you wait to DS 6 Flyrants (you know 1300pts of stuff) DE will easily kill the rest of your army without needing to DS uits forcing you to DS either some or all your Flyrants, at this point its their world.

Thats if they get back the DS capabilities they used to have.

Im a Nid and DE player, i have over 10k points and been playing both armies for years. I do NOT see the Flyers, Ravager's, Mandrakes, Kabals, Incubi changing in anyway (other than a Stratagem). Hellions, Bikes, Coven will get better for sure.

What is going to help DE the ost is Point changes on Wargear, 1/2 the units will stay the same, but weapons like HeatLances wont be 25pts (S6 Melta gun that is 18") anymore, Blasters wont be 15pts (A worst S8 D3 -4ap that donest have Melta rule.... a Melta gun for 2pts more is much better b.c its D6 or best of 2D6 and not 1D3), Shredder (equal to a SB in damage) wont be 8pts anymore (think about, DE is spending 8pts for "their" SB). A S3 Flamer with AP wont be 13pts anymore, etc..

Literally 20+ pieces of wargear are 2x some 4x the cost of what they should be.

This... this is what will scare Tyranids, DSing units WITH gear, DE will have the same models on the table, but now they will afford the wargear.

 Lance845 wrote:

 Marmatag wrote:
It's a definite counter to the current meta of reapers. Tyrant spam was much better before the smite nerf. Now there are serious diminishing returns on a list like that.

Also, with Tau and Dark Eldar getting a codex, that list will probably not be viable. Poison weapons, gigantic guns dealing 3d6 damage... yeah. Flying Hive Tyrants are such big easy targets, when those 2 get their codex, I would not be surprised if this list dies completely.

Also Jormungandr will become one of the worst hive fleets. Marker lights will make a come back and remove cover with ease.

Cover is only part of it. The deepstrike flexibility of Jorm is, in my opinion, it's real strength. The cover is a nice bonus, but I play Jorm because I can deploy in ways that make first turn a waste of time for my opponent and a massive table grab/alpha/beta strike as needed for me.

 Amishprn86 wrote:
You mean like how all SM players are using something like 15-20 Scouts now? lol. Everyone Screens ATM.

 Marmatag wrote:

 Lance845 wrote:

 Marmatag wrote:
It's a definite counter to the current meta of reapers. Tyrant spam was much better before the smite nerf. Now there are serious diminishing returns on a list like that.

Also, with Tau and Dark Eldar getting a codex, that list will probably not be viable. Poison weapons, gigantic guns dealing 3d6 damage... yeah. Flying Hive Tyrants are such big easy targets, when those 2 get their codex, I would not be surprised if this list dies completely.

Also Jormungandr will become one of the worst hive fleets. Marker lights will make a come back and remove cover with ease.

Cover is only part of it. The deepstrike flexibility of Jorm is, in my opinion, it's real strength. The cover is a nice bonus, but I play Jorm because I can deploy in ways that make first turn a waste of time for my opponent and a massive table grab/alpha/beta strike as needed for me.

Obviously we all have different tastes, but Jormungandr is at a pretty significant disadvantage against armies that wholly ignore cover. The ability to deep strike stuff is nice, but with the current meta I just don't see it as good enough to merit taking that knowing you're going to lose your +1 save. Especially since everyone has screens, and units that are worth deep striking in most cases already have it. My 2c. We can have different opinions here.

pinecone77 wrote:
Has anyone seen what DE are getting? I'm hoping drukari, and Tau will be enough to supress dark reaper blobs.

Necrons have me interested as well. Orks are the natural counter for us, so that should shift our meta, once they get a Codex.

Astmeister wrote:
But my math hammer says he just does 10 damage to a Stompa on average.

 Eihnlazer wrote:
For genestealers you either take one unit of 20, or go all in and take 3 squads with a broodlord.


I personally just use one unit of 20. Get my first turn charge, scare the opponent into dealing with them, then win the game with the rest of my army.

 Traceoftoxin wrote:
I used 2x19 GS, and 1x29 Dev gants with a Trygon.

It works fantastic.

 Traceoftoxin wrote:
I used 2x19 GS, and 1x29 Dev gants with a Trygon.

It works fantastic.

 Dynas wrote:

 Traceoftoxin wrote:
I used 2x19 GS, and 1x29 Dev gants with a Trygon.

It works fantastic.

I do this as well, though I have stopped using the trygon, its just a really expensive taxi. its easier to just saturate the board with GS and gaunts and your opponent has so much to shoot he cant stop you.