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Well here's the first spoiled strategem from Warhammer community...not real happy that it requires me to ally in SW's to even use it and i'm not even sure if the bonus's are worth possibly taking 2 mortal wounds and a CP, and who do you give it to? If you give the bonuses to named characters like azreal, Sammael, Ezekiel, or Belial they already have enhanced str with their weapons, 2+ weapon skill and high leadership or they just flat out ignore moral. Extra attack is always nice. I guess you'd want to put it on generic Characters if you even use them but Personally i don't care for this strategem at all.

I don’t know about usability, but I love the theme.

While cool, that Strategem is a bit pointless. You are better off with the bigger squads than stronger squads.

Yeah, you need to step away from the matched play mind set and get your narrative cap on, as that is an awesome stratagem (fluff wise, I'm no bothered about it's WAAC efficiency)


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 casvalremdeikun wrote:
While cool, that Strategem is a bit pointless. You are better off with the bigger squads than stronger squads.

It is not squads, it is a singular model each. It's to buff characters at the potential cost of a mortal wound.

Haha it's Stratagems like this that show up who was actually looking for raw power and euphemistically calling it "flavour". It's a cool thing. I'll likely never use it but it is maximum flavour!

I think it's an awesome super fluffy strategem. People get too hung up on if it's tourney-viable and forget that there is, ya know, the rest of the game.

endlesswaltz123 wrote:
Yeah, you need to step away from the matched play mind set and get your narrative cap on, as that is an awesome stratagem (fluff wise, I'm no bothered about it's WAAC efficiency)


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 casvalremdeikun wrote:
While cool, that Strategem is a bit pointless. You are better off with the bigger squads than stronger squads.

It is not squads, it is a singular model each. It's to buff characters at the potential cost of a mortal wound.

Okay, I think I get the utility. And honestly, it is still kind of worthless since most everything you are using it on doesn't need the bonus WS. A bonus to Leadership on a single model really isn't going to do much either. Still a bonus to Strength and Attacks is pretty decent.

I'm in no way shape or form a waac player, I rarely even play in tournaments. I just want strategems that are decent and useable with my army. I don't want to have to ally in Space wolves to use one of the few DA specific strats we have.

i would love more this stratagem if it was used agaisn't a enemy that is using Space Wolves.

You pick your "champion", the other player chose his "champion". You roll dice, the one that rolls more gains the benefits, the loser loss one wound.

That way, it would be much less "powerfull" and reliable from a competitive standpoint, but oh boy I'll use it every damm time I fight Space Wolves just for the laughs.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
While cool, that Strategem is a bit pointless. You are better off with the bigger squads than stronger squads.

Might be good on models packing power fists.

Not exactly a best foot forward for Dark Angels previews. Probably your best bet is to have a Libby and a Rune Priest punch each other since unlike other HQ's they have a WS that can be improved.

It should probably be considered a "For Open Play Only" stratagem but it's not like it's the only one of its kind. Plus its funny to think about.

You guys are too wrapped up in the WS. S10 power fist sounds handy among other things.

Is the Captain not a 2+? I'm a CSM player so I kinda just assumed, lol.

 Arachnofiend wrote:
Is the Captain not a 2+? I'm a CSM player so I kinda just assumed, lol.

I thought 3, but he's a 2.

Daedalus81 wrote:
You guys are too wrapped up in the WS. S10 power fist sounds handy among other things.

A Thunder Hammer seems like a pretty good option too. Though would that work?

Mark my words, that stratagem will either be abused to all feth or completely ignored. There will be no middle ground.

Wayniac wrote:
Mark my words, that stratagem will either be abused to all feth or completely ignored. There will be no middle ground.

It's once only.

Now I can see some people coming in now and complaining to use the Dark Angel codex, you must buy the DA codex and the Index that contains the Space Wolves, then you must buy the new Space Wolf codex when it comes out. Oh and I forgot we need to buy the rule book as well.

I just hope that this stratagem doesn't replace a stratagem that would be used normally. I don't recall any other stratagem that you need two codices to use.

Is the Space Wolf codex going to be really that strong that if you are not a Space Wolf player you are going to use them anyways because of like how they were in 5th edition?

Take an understrength unit of 1 Space Wolf as an auxiliary detachment, roll the 4+ for the 1-wound model, and give your opponent First Blood before the first turn?

You could use it on a Deathwing Knight master to give him 2+ to hit and 4 attacks with the flail at str 7 instead of 6 (although the str buff doesn't really matter unless your hitting T8) is decent but then he could potentially be dangerously down to 1 wound.

The Ancients are another halfway decent option. Give the DW Ancient a thunder hammer so he hits on 3+, has 4 attacks, at str 10, and even if he takes wound, he still has 4 wounds.

The Champions are another option. The 2+ to hit is wasted but it would put the DW champs str at 8 so 2+ to wound most things and he'd had 4+D3 attacks vs 5 man squad or more.

My real issue with this strat is that you have to ally in SW to use it. , on top of not very many good targets for it in the SW index. they all pretty much have 2+ WS. Maybe a Rune Priest in term armor, or possible lone wolf or Arjac Rockfist.

Also, what does everyone think about Deathwing Tartaros, and Cataphractii terms?

Right, so, the way I read it, you get the stat boost no matter what you roll–the model just has to “survive” so try to avoid 1W models–so you can of course abuse the hell out of it on any model with an ignore-wound roll and/or the re-roll stratagem. Though that’s a bit expensive.

bobafett012 wrote:


My real issue with this strat is that you have to ally in SW to use it. , on top of not very many good targets for it in the SW index. they all pretty much have 2+ WS. Maybe a Rune Priest in term armor, or possible lone wolf or Arjac Rockfist.

A Wulfen with TH/SS maybe (ignores mortal wound on 5+ if you feth up). Wolf Guard Terminator with some melee weapons. Etc..

Also, would a character technically go down to 1+ WS? If so, it would be awesome with an unwieldy weapon like a Thunderhammer or Powerfist?

A neat and fluffy option, I just dont know many people that would run Wolves and Angels together enough to justify it being in the either Codex and you know it will be wasted space in the Wolf Codex too.

Would have been better off as a joint Strat for them in a Chapter Approved or something.

That said, I do like it.

What a totally worthless strategem, I have to pay points to ally in space wolves and then injure one of my characters then pay a CP for this nonsense.

this means we are at least 1 strat down from other armies already, I get the fluffy side of things, and if they want to go down that route keep strats like these out of matched play, I dont mind this being in the book, I do mind it being one of our "unique" strats.

 Formosa wrote:
What a totally worthless strategem, I have to pay points to ally in space wolves and then injure one of my characters then pay a CP for this nonsense.

this means we are at least 1 strat down from other armies already, I get the fluffy side of things, and if they want to go down that route keep strats like these out of matched play, I dont mind this being in the book, I do mind it being one of our "unique" strats.

Every army has strategems like this. You think anyone is using the Chaos Boon stratagem in matched play?

 Arachnofiend wrote:

 Formosa wrote:
What a totally worthless strategem, I have to pay points to ally in space wolves and then injure one of my characters then pay a CP for this nonsense.

this means we are at least 1 strat down from other armies already, I get the fluffy side of things, and if they want to go down that route keep strats like these out of matched play, I dont mind this being in the book, I do mind it being one of our "unique" strats.

Every army has strategems like this. You think anyone is using the Chaos Boon stratagem in matched play?

I didnt like those either

there should be matched and non matched strats I think, for example I would love to see an Ork Strat that lets you loot any vehicle from the game and orkify it, but not for matched play, kind of like the Land raider VDR

It's too bad that there is a hard limit to the number of strats that an army can get, so sorry guys.

My point is that your "DA is one stratagem down" argument is silly because every army gets oddball stratagems that aren't really intended to be useful in a competitive environment.

Still, it's potentially a Wolf Lord and a Dark Angels Captain hitting on a 2+ re-rollable even with unwieldy weapons like a (now) Str. 10 Thunderhammer and an extra Attack on top.

 Arachnofiend wrote:
My point is that your "DA is one stratagem down" argument is silly because every army gets oddball stratagems that aren't really intended to be useful in a competitive environment.

That and yes while having to ally space pups for it to trigger is a pain it is still a pretty solid buff for a lot of hqs or smaller chaeacters even if 1 wound down.