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 MajorTom11 wrote:
Just took a much closer look at the models today, man, those Allarus Terminators are pretty off, super long torso, short legs. Given the direction they have been taking lately with more artscales model, they are a bit of an eyesore for me...

Yeah, I really prefer the Forge World ones; the fireglaive set in particular looks fantastic.

 MajorTom11 wrote:
Just took a much closer look at the models today, man, those Allarus Terminators are pretty off, super long torso, short legs. Given the direction they have been taking lately with more artscales model, they are a bit of an eyesore for me...

Personally I think they’re the first terminators where the proportions look correct. All previous terminators, including the FW Custodes ones, look like they have no abdomens and heads that stick out of the centres of their chests.

BlueGrassGamer wrote:
Just a quick question: do we know what kinds of dreads the Custodes have access to? Are they able to take things like the bog standard dreads, ven dreads, and Redemptor or are they stuck with only being able to take the ugly plastic Contemptor?

Only Venerable Contemptors until Forgeworld gets around to porting some from 30k.
Custodes in lore would almost never consider using marine-centric vehicles (with the exception of ancient land raiders and dreadnoughts, especially stuff like Redemptor dreads which are almost torture devices.

 MonkeyBallistic wrote:

 MajorTom11 wrote:
Just took a much closer look at the models today, man, those Allarus Terminators are pretty off, super long torso, short legs. Given the direction they have been taking lately with more artscales model, they are a bit of an eyesore for me...

Personally I think they’re the first terminators where the proportions look correct. All previous terminators, including the FW Custodes ones, look like they have no abdomens and heads that stick out of the centres of their chests.

Yep, this.

 Darkwrath121 wrote:

BlueGrassGamer wrote:
Just a quick question: do we know what kinds of dreads the Custodes have access to? Are they able to take things like the bog standard dreads, ven dreads, and Redemptor or are they stuck with only being able to take the ugly plastic Contemptor?

Only Venerable Contemptors until Forgeworld gets around to porting some from 30k.
Custodes in lore would almost never consider using marine-centric vehicles (with the exception of ancient land raiders and dreadnoughts, especially stuff like Redemptor dreads which are almost torture devices.

I'm planning on using the FW relic Contemptor if I find I need a Multi melta or Assault cannon. Its already fairly blinged up, so it should fit in well with a gold paintjob.

 Crimson wrote:

 MonkeyBallistic wrote:

 MajorTom11 wrote:
Just took a much closer look at the models today, man, those Allarus Terminators are pretty off, super long torso, short legs. Given the direction they have been taking lately with more artscales model, they are a bit of an eyesore for me...

Personally I think they’re the first terminators where the proportions look correct. All previous terminators, including the FW Custodes ones, look like they have no abdomens and heads that stick out of the centres of their chests.

Yep, this.

Yep, I have to agree.. all Terminators just look horribly off in proportions, even the FW Custodes ones, I just do not like them at all, I definitely prefer the Allurus ones, though I do think their spread poses are still wierd and off.

GenRifDrake wrote:

 Crimson wrote:

 MonkeyBallistic wrote:

 MajorTom11 wrote:
Just took a much closer look at the models today, man, those Allarus Terminators are pretty off, super long torso, short legs. Given the direction they have been taking lately with more artscales model, they are a bit of an eyesore for me...

Personally I think they’re the first terminators where the proportions look correct. All previous terminators, including the FW Custodes ones, look like they have no abdomens and heads that stick out of the centres of their chests.

Yep, this.

Yep, I have to agree.. all Terminators just look horribly off in proportions, even the FW Custodes ones, I just do not like them at all, I definitely prefer the Allurus ones, though I do think their spread poses are still wierd and off.

Unfortunately the more dynamic the pose the more noticeable it is when it repeats and the Allarus are locked in the same pose except the arms.

MilkmanAl wrote:
I have to say, I like the thought of a warlord on a 3++ bike who rerolls things and has 5+++. That's rough.

Yep... so that's exactly what I'm gonna take

I might have missed this but there's no limitation on number of Vexilla in a Detachment, correct?

Pandabeer wrote:

MilkmanAl wrote:
I have to say, I like the thought of a warlord on a 3++ bike who rerolls things and has 5+++. That's rough.

Yep... so that's exactly what I'm gonna take

Originally this was my main focus as well, but I've since become enthralled with the idea of doing an AM battalion for the CP WT/Relic, so make more use of all the Custodes strats.

So does the Land Raider still have the 5+ invulnerable save?

 Kanluwen wrote:
I might have missed this but there's no limitation on number of Vexilla in a Detachment, correct?

Only limited by available slots, the GW preview suggested the bearer was HQ slot, the BOLS preview says Elite.... the fluff on one of the relics mentions multiple vexilla. They aren't an in unit upgrade anymore.

So, allarus terminators have 3 or 4 attacks?

And the bikers?

Zorninsson wrote:
So, allarus terminators have 3 or 4 attacks?

And the bikers?

Both have 4A
(+1 bonus S User AP-2 attack when you take a Misericorde)

Is there any confirmation on whether or not a Biker Captain can exchange the lance for an ax or spear?

 cuda1179 wrote:
Is there any confirmation on whether or not a Biker Captain can exchange the lance for an ax or spear?

I doubt bikers will have any options besides the Hurricane Bolters or the misile launchers.

 FrozenDwarf wrote:
so now that you number crunshers has an idea about the army whit all the leaks and prews, what units have a questionable value for its point cost?

my budget is limted and i dont want to waste it on models that wont preform any good in a pure casual AC army.

Honestly? Most of them. The HQs actually are fairly impressive. But everything else is VERY expensive. You HAVE to get melee to make any sort of point efficient trade, and Melee is the easiest thing to counter in 40k.

I don't think Custodes have it in them as a distinct army to a strong army.

 MajorTom11 wrote:
Just took a much closer look at the models today, man, those Allarus Terminators are pretty off, super long torso, short legs. Given the direction they have been taking lately with more artscales model, they are a bit of an eyesore for me...

Agreed. They have proportion/posing irregularities even more so than the original Prospero customers. I'm hopeful that the veterans and/or bikers are better in that regard.

So... I couldn't handle the excitement any longer. I am starting a new army. I spent my last pocket money on a codex, a set of dice, a copy of Watchers of the Throne and two sets of Custodes. Now I will have to survive on dry bread and water until like March because that money was meant for buying food...
At least with a low model count, this might actually be the first army I can completely finish painting

 Iron_Captain wrote:
So... I couldn't handle the excitement any longer. I am starting a new army. I spent my last pocket money on a codex, a set of dice, a copy of Watchers of the Throne and two sets of Custodes. Now I will have to survive on dry bread and water until like March because that money was meant for buying food...
At least with a low model count, this might actually be the first army I can completely finish painting

watchers on the throne is an amazing book, excellent read. at least you won't starve un entertained

When I look at today's pre-orders and other stuff they've talked about in the warhammer community articles I notice only 10 of the 13 datasheets are known. What are the last 3? Are Praetors on bikes their own datasheet?

 Red Comet wrote:
When I look at today's pre-orders and other stuff they've talked about in the warhammer community articles I notice only 10 of the 13 datasheets are known. What are the last 3? Are Praetors on bikes their own datasheet?

Captain-general
Shield Captain
Shield Captain in terminator armor
Shield Captain on bike
Custodian Guard
Custodian Wardens
Allarus Custodians
Vexilus Praetor
Vexilus Praetor in Terminator armor
Venerable Dreadnought
Venerable Land Raider
Vertus Praetors

Hrm, even I'm one short....

 carabine wrote:

 Red Comet wrote:
When I look at today's pre-orders and other stuff they've talked about in the warhammer community articles I notice only 10 of the 13 datasheets are known. What are the last 3? Are Praetors on bikes their own datasheet?

Captain-general
Shield Captain
Shield Captain in terminator armor
Shield Captain on bike
Custodian Guard
Custodian Wardens
Allarus Custodians
Vexilus Praetor
Vexilus Praetor in Terminator armor
Venerable Dreadnought
Venerable Land Raider
Vertus Praetors

Hrm, even I'm one short....

Trajann Valoris

Edit - Oh wait you had him in Captain-General.

Hmmm, perhaps another character build or vehicle they didn't mention (praying for venerable LR Crusader )

We know if the bananas have access to any land raider variants? Was hoping for crusader variant because I have one to repurpose.

Bikes at 120 each doesn’t seem out of the ordinary pending on weapon upgrades/costs.

 carabine wrote:

 Red Comet wrote:
When I look at today's pre-orders and other stuff they've talked about in the warhammer community articles I notice only 10 of the 13 datasheets are known. What are the last 3? Are Praetors on bikes their own datasheet?

Captain-general
Shield Captain
Shield Captain in terminator armor
Shield Captain on bike
Custodian Guard
Custodian Wardens
Allarus Custodians
Vexilus Praetor
Vexilus Praetor in Terminator armor
Venerable Dreadnought
Venerable Land Raider
Vertus Praetors

Hrm, even I'm one short....

I just looked through the Warhammer Community article that came out with the pre-orders and it lists 12 datasheets there. It's possible the pre-order game on the main GW site is wrong about it being 13.

 Red Comet wrote:

 carabine wrote:

 Red Comet wrote:
When I look at today's pre-orders and other stuff they've talked about in the warhammer community articles I notice only 10 of the 13 datasheets are known. What are the last 3? Are Praetors on bikes their own datasheet?

Captain-general
Shield Captain
Shield Captain in terminator armor
Shield Captain on bike
Custodian Guard
Custodian Wardens
Allarus Custodians
Vexilus Praetor
Vexilus Praetor in Terminator armor
Venerable Dreadnought
Venerable Land Raider
Vertus Praetors

Hrm, even I'm one short....

I just looked through the Warhammer Community article that came out with the pre-orders and it lists 12 datasheets there. It's possible the pre-order game on the main GW site is wrong about it being 13.

Maybe they're suprising us with something unexpected. VENERABLE STORM RAVEN!

Vexilius on bike?

IMHO the golden Contemptor Dread from talons of the emperor might be a good bet for the last dataslate.

 Jidmah wrote:
IMHO the golden Contemptor Dread from talons of the emperor might be a good bet for the last dataslate.

thats what he means by venerable dread