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Everywhere it says Hurricane Bolters.
If they had a different profile they would have had a different name.

I would assume BoK got something mixed up and they have the normal Hurricane Bolter profile.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
I have 3 of the fw bikes. The original plan was to use them as squad leaders, but they will stand out more as hqs.

I don't think I could bring myself to do that, the gyrfalcon bikes are less attractive, less elaborate and have a very monopose driver. They seem pretty poorly suited to represent higher ranking individuals.

I have always hated that about Warhammer40k... why vehicles are using the same weapons than infantry? Why is a tank lasscanon the same has the one a SM is wearing? Why is a Adeptus Custodes bike using 6 basic Bolters strap together? Who tought that was a good idea?

"Guys we need weaponry to our tanks and aircraft" "Hmmm, we have a ton of bolters left hover, just glue them together and call it a day". I supose its part of the "grimdark" but... sorry. I needed to vent it out.

 Galas wrote:
I have always hated that about Warhammer40k... why vehicles are using the same weapons than infantry? Why is a tank lasscanon the same has the one a SM is wearing? Why is a Adeptus Custodes bike using 6 basic Bolters strap together? Who tought that was a good idea?

"Guys we need weaponry to our tanks and aircraft" "Hmmm, we have a ton of bolters left hover, just glue them together and call it a day". I supose its part of the "grimdark" but... sorry. I needed to vent it out.

In some way I kind-of agree. I think it would have been cooler looking to have a mini punisher cannon mounted on the jetbikes.

 Galas wrote:
I have always hated that about Warhammer40k... why vehicles are using the same weapons than infantry? Why is a tank lasscanon the same has the one a SM is wearing? Why is a Adeptus Custodes bike using 6 basic Bolters strap together? Who tought that was a good idea?

"Guys we need weaponry to our tanks and aircraft" "Hmmm, we have a ton of bolters left hover, just glue them together and call it a day". I supose its part of the "grimdark" but... sorry. I needed to vent it out.

Agreed, some sort of rotary bolt cannon would look better on a vehicle, or a "twin linked" las-cannon simply being a larger than usual single barrel weapon with larger power packs.

Sort of the old Space Marine v1 "grade" system where the weapon either side of the land raider was a "grade 2 laser cannon", which just meant it was a single weapon, that fired as two, at the same target - a war hound titan could carry the same, warlords up to grade 4.

No reason a weapon could not be called a hurricane bolter, but still be physically a single barrel weapon, just with a higher rate of fire, a cooling system and larger ammo bin - agree simply sticking the front half of six infantry side arms ends up looking like something an Ork would do

We do the same thing in the real. The m240, M2, and Mk19 go on tanks, Bradleys, and trucks/humvees as wells as with infantry units. Same missile systems on vehicles have ground mounted options for dismounted infantry. I dunno what the strykers and new light/vehicle systems use, really. There is no need to reinvent the wheel, the weapons are there to kill the same targets regardless of platform.

A better question is “how are individual infantrymen carrying light squad support weapons and using them as SMGs/assault rifles?”
The answer is, of course, that they are surgically enhanced super-soldiers in powered armour.

The idea that a fully automatic .75 cal RPG launcher is in any way somehow “basic” is part of the problem. Considering that the support weapon mounted on a fixed bracket on an HMMV is typically a .50 cal solid slug thrower, the complaint that a hover bike which has six of a weapon of greater calibre and destructive potential seems somehow lacklustre feels a bit dodgy.

 gigasnail wrote:
We do the same thing in the real. The m240, M2, and Mk19 go on tanks, Bradleys, and trucks/humvees as wells as with infantry units. Same missile systems on vehicles have ground mounted options for dismounted infantry. I dunno what the strykers and new light/vehicle systems use, really. There is no need to reinvent the wheel, the weapons are there to kill the same targets regardless of platform.

True, but when they wanted a mahoosive gun for the A-10, they didn't take a whole load of infantry weapons and some araldite

and while its true the Germans tried to mount the 88mm gun on everything from armoured vehicles to farm animals even they didn't generally try to weld six of them together.

Though the Canadians did stick a whole load of PIAT anti tank weapons on the back of an infantry carrier

 Mr_Rose wrote:
A better question is “how are individual infantrymen carrying light squad support weapons and using them as SMGs/assault rifles?”
The answer is, of course, that they are surgically enhanced super-soldiers in powered armour.

The idea that a fully automatic .75 cal RPG launcher is in any way somehow “basic” is part of the problem. Considering that the support weapon mounted on a fixed bracket on an HMMV is typically a .50 cal solid slug thrower, the complaint that a hover bike which has six of a weapon of greater calibre and destructive potential seems somehow lacklustre feels a bit dodgy.

Has leopard has said, it has nothing to do with the firepower or the technical details about it. Is just that it looks lazy AF. Straping 6 bolters together in a archeo-tech marvel like the Jetbike this custodes use doesn't feel right.

But sorry I don't want to make about this a "Bows are stupid in warhammer 40k". Lets just leave this here, it was just my personal opinion.

See, I guess I don’t get why six guns bolted together is too much when two or four (most WWII anti-aircraft guns, the Hydra) is OK?

Has the price of the jetbikes in USD been revealed?

Has it been confirmed that the minimum squad size for the bikes is three? It seems quite odd to me that all of the other minimum squad sizes allow you to build both a Shield Captain and Vexila out of the box and still field the rest as a proper unit, but the bikes can't build the Shield Captain option without having to buy another box to legally field the rest.

 warboss wrote:
Has the price of the jetbikes in USD been revealed?

Based on FW prices, I am guessing $90 and the Captain versionwill be $45.

Because we should all be buying 4 boxes, obviously. 3 3 bike squads and 3 shield captains to go with.


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(which is in fact a tempting thought on more than one level!)

 Uriels_Flame wrote:

 warboss wrote:
Has the price of the jetbikes in USD been revealed?

Based on FW prices, I am guessing $90 and the Captain versionwill be $45.

I don't believe the Shield-Captain is a separate kit.

 Ghaz wrote:

 Uriels_Flame wrote:

 warboss wrote:
Has the price of the jetbikes in USD been revealed?

Based on FW prices, I am guessing $90 and the Captain versionwill be $45.

I don't believe the Shield-Captain is a separate kit.

GWs stated that shield captains are made from the kits. The only character independant kit is Kitten

I'm hoping they'll be around $70-80, as my lists requires 5 Boxes.

 carabine wrote:

 Ghaz wrote:

 Uriels_Flame wrote:

 warboss wrote:
Has the price of the jetbikes in USD been revealed?

Based on FW prices, I am guessing $90 and the Captain versionwill be $45.

I don't believe the Shield-Captain is a separate kit.

GWs stated that shield captains are made from the kits. The only character independant kit is Kitten

Meow? I'm guessing the autocorrect is strong with that phone.

It's probably a joke from a web series (emperor TTS) where the captain general of the custodes is known as little kitten. Or a really weird coincidence.

 Uriels_Flame wrote:

 warboss wrote:
Has the price of the jetbikes in USD been revealed?

Based on FW prices, I am guessing $90 and the Captain versionwill be $45.

I hope they won't be. I don't think GW uses the FW prices as a yardstick for much but admittedly I haven't been paying much attention for a few years thanks to 6th/7th editions.


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SilverAlien wrote:
It's probably a joke from a web series (emperor TTS) where the captain general of the custodes is known as little kitten. Or a really weird coincidence.

Ah, ok. Wasn't aware of that.

Have I worked this out right?

Batallion:
Shield captain on foot
Vexilla
3 units 3 custodian guard
Outrider:
Bike captain
3 units 3 bikers
Vanguard:
Bike captain
3 terminators
2 contemptors

Comes in around 2.5k points?
Giving all the bikes hurricane bolters that is and the guard spears, hopefully have the points left for multi meltas on the contemptors

 Mantle wrote:
Have I worked this out right?

Batallion:
Shield captain on foot
Vexilla
3 units 3 custodian guard
Outrider:
Bike captain
3 units 3 bikers
Vanguard:
Bike captain
3 terminators
2 contemptors

Comes in around 2.5k points?
Giving all the bikes hurricane bolters that is and the guard spears, hopefully have the points left for multi meltas on the contemptors

From what I understand, the Vexilla is Elite, not HQ, so you're missing a shield captain in your Battalion.

 Uriels_Flame wrote:

 warboss wrote:
Has the price of the jetbikes in USD been revealed?

Based on FW prices, I am guessing $90 and the Captain versionwill be $45.

There isn't a captain version, he comes in the box.

My current plan is as follows:
Battalion
Captain General dude
Shield Captain in Terminator Armor (Axe probably)
3x units of Custodian Guard (two Squads of Spears, one squad of Sword and Board)
Vanguard
Shield Captain of some sort (might pick up an extra off eBay, probably with )
Vexillus Praetor in Terminator Armor (with an Axe)
2x 2-man squads of Terminators (I am thinking Axes on everyone)

No idea how many points that will end up being. I am leaning toward Axes on Characters, but Spears are a good option as well. I might get two boxes of bikes, one to make a bike squad, and one to make three Shield Captains.

Deadawake1347 wrote:
Has it been confirmed that the minimum squad size for the bikes is three? It seems quite odd to me that all of the other minimum squad sizes allow you to build both a Shield Captain and Vexila out of the box and still field the rest as a proper unit, but the bikes can't build the Shield Captain option without having to buy another box to legally field the rest.

2-7 according to bell of lost souls,they mentioned you could build the shield captain and still have a legal unit left over.

 carabine wrote:
The only character independant kit is Kitten

He's not Kitten. There is no Kitten.

Raulengrin wrote:

 Mantle wrote:
Have I worked this out right?

Batallion:
Shield captain on foot
Vexilla
3 units 3 custodian guard
Outrider:
Bike captain
3 units 3 bikers
Vanguard:
Bike captain
3 terminators
2 contemptors

Comes in around 2.5k points?
Giving all the bikes hurricane bolters that is and the guard spears, hopefully have the points left for multi meltas on the contemptors

From what I understand, the Vexilla is Elite, not HQ, so you're missing a shield captain in your Battalion.

Ahh that's a shame, the GW website confused me because only the dread is under elites while valoris, the terminators but titled as shield captain in terminator armour and the terminators titled as the vexilla are all under HQ

 TwilightSparkles wrote:

Deadawake1347 wrote:
Has it been confirmed that the minimum squad size for the bikes is three? It seems quite odd to me that all of the other minimum squad sizes allow you to build both a Shield Captain and Vexila out of the box and still field the rest as a proper unit, but the bikes can't build the Shield Captain option without having to buy another box to legally field the rest.

2-7 according to bell of lost souls,they mentioned you could build the shield captain and still have a legal unit left over.

If that is the case, I am definitely getting a box of bikes and making a Bike Shield Captain my other Shield Captain.

i really feel like the Allarus termies should have a 4+ save, getting a 3+ save. that would justify their cost from the jet bikes more, and make them fit in to the duribility rather than speed roll they are supposed to be in.

kind of in my same argument of paladins having a 4+ save to cast sancutary for a 3+ INV. would make them actually durable and worth thier cost.

for some reason GW is really afraid of making truly durible termies

i guess the T5 plus the 4 wounds with a -1 to hit with a banner does make them decent. but with a 3+ save they could really take some punishment..

Spartan117xyz wrote:
i really feel like the Allarus termies should have a 4+ save, getting a 3+ save. that would justify their cost from the jet bikes more, and make them fit in to the duribility rather than speed roll they are supposed to be in.

kind of in my same argument of paladins having a 4+ save to cast sancutary for a 3+ INV. would make them actually durable and worth thier cost.

for some reason GW is really afraid of making truly durible termies

i guess the T5 plus the 4 wounds with a -1 to hit with a banner does make them decent. but with a 3+ save they could really take some punishment..

Well if the armour is based on tartaros makes sense and gives them unique role compared to FW termies. Less overlap=more models sold.