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Racerguy180 wrote:

 Theophony wrote:

 spiralingcadaver wrote:
What's wrong with it?

It’s far from the body because they have the strap from the bolter hanging off of it. It looks like there’s a space for a flat washer between the torso and shoulder pad. It makes the body really disjointed. They have the model at an angle to try and camouflage it.

I didnt notice it until someone said, they sure are trying to hide it in the photos. That being said it shouldnt be too difficult to "fix". It also shouldnt happen in the first place.

Other than the shoulder thing, it is a good looking model.

So now i can't unsee it.

I didn't have time to check on that Raldoron price... but MAN...
I wonder, what's next on the lctb line.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/07/05/forge-world-pre-order-chapter-master-raldoron/

You know what is the funnies/saddest bit in this preview?

"Unlike his more ostentatious brethren, such as the Sanguinary Guard"

This one article gave more attention to Blood Angels signature unit than the whole FW Heresy book supposedly devoted to them. Go figure

I especially like the link leading to Sanguinary Guard in GW store, boy, people who follow it and expect them to be usable in HH as per their fluff are in for a surprise

 Irkjoe wrote:
They try to hide the shoulder with the angle too. There's some subversive stuff on their site especially with older models. They don't mention that the bio titan's legs don't support it or the malcador's tracks don't fit. The krieg infantry don't even come with all the same arms pictured.

And the Necomunda escher arms don't fit the plastic bodies without serious fiddling. Usual FW.

Mine did.

 AndrewGPaul wrote:
Mine did.

Same. You just have to make sure you match the arms to the right bodies. The letters on the runners should correspond to each body

I really Truly do not get FW, with the amount of stuff they have teased, how can they have a week of nothing?
It makes no logical sense. Where are the Golden Keshig?
The Landspeeder,
Hell, the Atomantic Pavise

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
I really Truly do not get FW, with the amount of stuff they have teased, how can they have a week of nothing?
It makes no logical sense. Where are the Golden Keshig?
The Landspeeder,
Hell, the Atomantic Pavise

Its because you're looking at FW as entirely its own thing, but with the way GW restructured the studio into working on Specialist Games that isn't as much the case... From a release windows perspective GW doesn't distinguish the FW resin from the other Specialist Game models. All that Blackstone Fortress stuff is Specialist Games and in GW's mind fills that same release window for non-core game releases that a FW resin model would.

Tomorrow a lot of stuff is going up for preorder, they did this before in the past when they had a slew of plastic releases coincide.

Could be that since the other specialist games stuff and ME stuff is releasing tomorrow, they will have the resin go up for preorder at the same time.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
I really Truly do not get FW, with the amount of stuff they have teased, how can they have a week of nothing?
It makes no logical sense. Where are the Golden Keshig?
The Landspeeder,
Hell, the Atomantic Pavise

Where are White Scars models that look like they have more than 5 minutes of effort put into them. BA and DA blow them completely out of the water. Hell all the older legions blow them out of the water.

I only just saw the promo of the White Scars landspeeder, and come on. The pilots are in Mk. II just like the praetor.

So they’re making praetors in armour that doesn't match that of the special terminators and other marines in armour that isn’t produced for line marines anymore.

 NivlacSupreme wrote:
I only just saw the promo of the White Scars landspeeder, and come on. The pilots are in Mk. II Just like the praetor.

So they’re making praetors in armour that doesn't match that of the special terminators and other marines in armour thatisnt produced for line marines anymore.

It doesn’t matter if the Praetors match the Ebon Keshig - they cant be joined by any characters.

 Crazyterran wrote:
Could be that since the other specialist games stuff and ME stuff is releasing tomorrow, they will have the resin go up for preorder at the same time.

Yes - Scouring of The Shire, Hobbit-hole Upgrade Set & Willow Rosebark are now up for pre-order.

 aka_mythos wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
I really Truly do not get FW, with the amount of stuff they have teased, how can they have a week of nothing?
It makes no logical sense. Where are the Golden Keshig?
The Landspeeder,
Hell, the Atomantic Pavise

Its because you're looking at FW as entirely its own thing, but with the way GW restructured the studio into working on Specialist Games that isn't as much the case... From a release windows perspective GW doesn't distinguish the FW resin from the other Specialist Game models. All that Blackstone Fortress stuff is Specialist Games and in GW's mind fills that same release window for non-core game releases that a FW resin model would.

er … Blackstone Fortress is not and never has been a Forge World product. It comes from the Boxed Games studio. Forge World does the Age of Darkness (Heresy), Middle Earth and Specialist Games (Adeptus Titanicus, Necromunda and Blood Bowl) lines, although the non-resin releases are sold via the main GW sales channels.

 zedmeister wrote:

 AndrewGPaul wrote:
Mine did.

Same. You just have to make sure you match the arms to the right bodies. The letters on the runners should correspond to each body

So, they even want the Forgeworld ones to all look the same. feth, I HATE GW right now.

 ImAGeek wrote:

 NivlacSupreme wrote:
I only just saw the promo of the White Scars landspeeder, and come on. The pilots are in Mk. II Just like the praetor.

So they’re making praetors in armour that doesn't match that of the special terminators and other marines in armour thatisnt produced for line marines anymore.

It doesn’t matter if the Praetors match the Ebon Keshig - they cant be joined by any characters.

A lot of players taking Qin Xa are going to use Ebon Keshik models to represent regular Keshik with power glaives, and I’ll probably mix a set of five with five plastic Tartaros to use as regular Terminators. Some symbols will have to be removed, but they’re the closest thing we’re getting to legion-specific infantry other than Falcon’s Claws. In other words, they’re the closest replacement to legion torsos.

I do find it disappointing that the Kazagan pilots and Golden Keshik riders are relatively plain.

 NivlacSupreme wrote:
I only just saw the promo of the White Scars landspeeder, and come on. The pilots are in Mk. II just like the praetor.

So they’re making praetors in armour that doesn't match that of the special terminators and other marines in armour that isn’t produced for line marines anymore.

As A white scar player I am incredibily happy that theyre in mk2. As are most white scars players I believe. I also wouldnt be surprised if plastic mk2 is on the horizon with dark angels (the other mk2 rocking legion) being the next legion out. I dont think it would be a stretch to assume the next starter set when it comes will.have plastic mk2 in it.

As for terminators, as alreay said they cant be joined by characters and this way you have a basis for.a white scar esque terminator in both armour marks. The glaives are easily swappable to put on cataphractii and you can cast the praetor body (or buy a few if your blood is rich) to get some white scar specific termies in both marks of armour.

As for the quality of models, I own all the ones that have so far been released and they are incredibly good.

Carlisimo wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:

A lot of players taking Qin Xa are going to use Ebon Keshik models to represent regular Keshik with power glaives, and I’ll probably mix a set of five with five plastic Tartaros to use as regular Terminators. Some symbols will have to be removed, but they’re the closest thing we’re getting to legion-specific infantry other than Falcon’s Claws. In other words, they’re the closest replacement to legion torsos.

I do find it disappointing that the Kazagan pilots and Golden Keshik riders are relatively plain.

Qin Xa is in Tartaros Armor though isnt he? Im disapointed in how pretty much all of their models are relatively plain, none of them have much going for them other than the Cat Praetor and the Dreads.

Bobug wrote:

 NivlacSupreme wrote:
I only just saw the promo of the White Scars landspeeder, and come on. The pilots are in Mk. II just like the praetor.

So they’re making praetors in armour that doesn't match that of the special terminators and other marines in armour that isn’t produced for line marines anymore.

As A white scar player I am incredibily happy that theyre in mk2. As are most white scars players I believe. I also wouldnt be surprised if plastic mk2 is on the horizon with dark angels (the other mk2 rocking legion) being the next legion out. I dont think it would be a stretch to assume the next starter set when it comes will.have plastic mk2 in it.

As for terminators, as alreay said they cant be joined by characters and this way you have a basis for.a white scar esque terminator in both armour marks. The glaives are easily swappable to put on cataphractii and you can cast the praetor body (or buy a few if your blood is rich) to get some white scar specific termies in both marks of armour.

As for the quality of models, I own all the ones that have so far been released and they are incredibly good.

I would be incredibly surprised if Plastic Mk 2 became a thing, considering other than helmets and a handful of MkII Characters its pretty much non-exsistant on FW.

You can like the models all you want, but I am incredibly put off by the FW releases. None of them are up to the standard of the other Legions. They are all incredibly plain with very little marking them as special. WOW some of them have horses on their chest for the Ebon Keshig and they have those awful side skirts, which would look much better if they wrapped around the back of the model. Then we have the laziest Glaives I have ever seen. Seriously, they are boomerangs on a bent stick. How hard would it be to make them look like proper Mongolian/Chinese Glaives? Maybe they should have put some more effort into them, rather than putting it all into the Dark Angels and Blood Angels.

This is why I re-write rules for my play group. HH is awesome but theres so many stupid restrictions and seemingly left out rules. "Oh so every salamander character down to a tactical sergeant can take a master crafted weapon, but the Primarch of the Salamanders, literal god tier master smith, dosent have a master crafted weapon?"

 AndrewGPaul wrote:

 aka_mythos wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
I really Truly do not get FW, with the amount of stuff they have teased, how can they have a week of nothing?
It makes no logical sense. Where are the Golden Keshig?
The Landspeeder,
Hell, the Atomantic Pavise

Its because you're looking at FW as entirely its own thing, but with the way GW restructured the studio into working on Specialist Games that isn't as much the case... From a release windows perspective GW doesn't distinguish the FW resin from the other Specialist Game models. All that Blackstone Fortress stuff is Specialist Games and in GW's mind fills that same release window for non-core game releases that a FW resin model would.

er … Blackstone Fortress is not and never has been a Forge World product. It comes from the Boxed Games studio. Forge World does the Age of Darkness (Heresy), Middle Earth and Specialist Games (Adeptus Titanicus, Necromunda and Blood Bowl) lines, although the non-resin releases are sold via the main GW sales channels.

There is a load of BloodBowl and Adeptus Titanicus coming out at the moment too. The point is that GW creates a release schedule for their two core games, with a limited number of release windows for non-core game products. Boxed Game, Forge World, or Specialist Games it really doesn't matter which, the three are competing for the same production resources and non-core game release windows.

FW Chaos Knight Update & Imperial Knight Update (WarCom article).

 aka_mythos wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
I really Truly do not get FW, with the amount of stuff they have teased, how can they have a week of nothing?
It makes no logical sense. Where are the Golden Keshig?
The Landspeeder,
Hell, the Atomantic Pavise

Its because you're looking at FW as entirely its own thing, but with the way GW restructured the studio into working on Specialist Games that isn't as much the case... From a release windows perspective GW doesn't distinguish the FW resin from the other Specialist Game models. All that Blackstone Fortress stuff is Specialist Games and in GW's mind fills that same release window for non-core game releases that a FW resin model would.

To be fair, the pavise not being released two(?) years after being previewed is kinda bonkers.

Pity the daemon knights have missed out again.

First turn lancer charge anyone? Now cheaper and stronger.

 gorgon wrote:

 aka_mythos wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
I really Truly do not get FW, with the amount of stuff they have teased, how can they have a week of nothing?
It makes no logical sense. Where are the Golden Keshig?
The Landspeeder,
Hell, the Atomantic Pavise

Its because you're looking at FW as entirely its own thing, but with the way GW restructured the studio into working on Specialist Games that isn't as much the case... From a release windows perspective GW doesn't distinguish the FW resin from the other Specialist Game models. All that Blackstone Fortress stuff is Specialist Games and in GW's mind fills that same release window for non-core game releases that a FW resin model would.

To be fair, the pavise not being released two(?) years after being previewed is kinda bonkers.

Bran Redmaw says hello...

beast_gts wrote:
FW Chaos Knight Update & Imperial Knight Update (WarCom article).

Looks like the Acastus Porphyrion got heavily nerfed.

Lost 1 toughness

dropped from 4 brackets to 3 on the damage chart

top bracket is worse than before (-1" movement, WS and BS both higher)

body cost increased by 60 points

lost the ability to self repair

Ouch. I don't own one but that just feels bad to look at.
It would be one thing to increase the points but to also gut the stats down to where it is basically a slightly upgunned Dominus really hurts the soul.

So, the WarCom article says the Armiger Moirax are up for pre-order tomorrow. Can anyone remember how the weapon options were split up on the event pre-release ones? Did the WarCom photos (from Warhammer Fest UK 2019) match up with the kits?

They all got nerfed it looks like...biggest thing they lost was that 2D6 advance on all the Cerastus knights.

Some got slightly adjusted/buffed, iirc?

The Castigator got 2 more shots and a 2 attacks for 1 attack with sword?

The Atrapos (jesus fething christ, will they ever decide on spelling - Atrapos or Atropos?) got the Singularity gun profile chaged, no longer random roll on 6.

The Acheron lost its -1 to hit with his Reaper Chainfist.

Porphyrion though got beaten. Probably because it was the main FW Knight that saw competitive play?

Jack Flask wrote:

dropped from 4 brackets to 3 on the damage chart

My stompa would be happy for that. Now it degrades ridiculously fast.