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I wonder if we'll get their transports or the half-emerged versions later on...

beast_gts wrote:
I wonder if we'll get their transports or the half-emerged versions later on...

Make them yourself by cutting this one in half. Then you can have one tunneling down and one emerging.

 em_en_oh_pee wrote:

beast_gts wrote:
I wonder if we'll get their transports or the half-emerged versions later on...

Make them yourself by cutting this one in half. Then you can have one tunneling down and one emerging.

And you can use it in tournaments with restrictions on models because each one is 100% GW plastic and has a similar profile! I like the way you think!

Escher weapon packs are up.

https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-GB/Escher-Weapons-Set-2-2018

https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-GB/Escher-Weapons-Set-1-2018

https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-GB/Escher-Weapons-Set-3-2018

£16 a chuck.

Good mixture. Like how each of the three weapon sets contains pretty much all options.

Oh wow cool.

love the look of those flamers.

no so much a fan of the eldar looking chainswords.

Not a fan of those very much at all. These weapons look more ork like. Hell, you look at street gangs today, and you're not going to find some guy rocking a gun roped together. I highly doubt 38,000 years in the future it's regressed that far.

I love 40K. One person complains that hive gang weapons look too Eldritch and another complains they look too Orkish. I think they look very Necromunda-ism.

40K is the Dark Age of Technology. Much of humanity's knowledge has been lost.

It's fantasy in space not sci-fi. There's a reason people are wearing suits of armour and wielding swords.

If anything things should be more medieval/old/tribal looking.

The outlier in 40K is Tau (who don't belong in the setting). They are far too advanced and clean to be anywhere near 40K.

Why do people think 40K is some advanced futuristic setting like Star Trek?

Chairman Aeon wrote:
I love 40K. One person complains that hive gang weapons look too Eldritch and another complains they look too Orkish. I think they look very Necromunda-ism.

Down in Central and South America you actually can find some hand made cobbled together firearms used by gangs.

I don't think any of the guns are held together with tape/rope. They are decorated with it- it is part of the Escher aesthetic.

 Brutus_Apex wrote:
40K is the Dark Age of Technology. Much of humanity's knowledge has been lost.

It's fantasy in space not sci-fi. There's a reason people are wearing suits of armour and wielding swords.

If anything things should be more medieval/old/tribal looking.

The outlier in 40K is Tau (who don't belong in the setting). They are far too advanced and clean to be anywhere near 40K.

Why do people think 40K is some advanced futuristic setting like Star Trek?

It isn't like Star Trek, but the tech is hugely advanced. It is the culture that is anachronistic and backward in 40k. Things like las weapons, bionics, rejuvenat treatment, computer memory banks, personal force fields- these are all very advanced stuff. It is just that very few people understand how it works. The Tau empire is actually less advanced than the Imperium, but it utilises it's tech much more widely, and is innovating at a far faster rate. Also, the Tau are only clean on the surface, their society is quite dystopian underneath.

 Brutus_Apex wrote:
40K is the Dark Age of Technology. Much of humanity's knowledge has been lost.

It's fantasy in space not sci-fi. There's a reason people are wearing suits of armour and wielding swords.

If anything things should be more medieval/old/tribal looking.

The outlier in 40K is Tau (who don't belong in the setting). They are far too advanced and clean to be anywhere near 40K.

Why do people think 40K is some advanced futuristic setting like Star Trek?

You described the Imperium quite nicely, but the Imperium isn't all of 40K because none of what you said fits Eldar (of any persuasion), Tau, Necrons or Tyranids. So lets not pretend otherwise.

Um, Necromunda is an Imperial planet. What's your point?

Maybe take this to the fluff subforum, please?

I think the weapons fit in just fine with what is basically a space amazon aesthetic. They are doing a good job of giving each gang their own distinct style. I might pick up one of these sets down the line. But seeing as how i'm in the US I want to wait until the Van Saar set is out (assuming every gang also gets a set like this) so I can do a larger order in one go.

 djones520 wrote:
Not a fan of those very much at all. These weapons look more ork like. Hell, you look at street gangs today, and you're not going to find some guy rocking a gun roped together. I highly doubt 38,000 years in the future it's regressed that far.

I don't think they are roped together. The "rope" looks more like ornamental additions to me.

Regarding the brief discussion about the Legio Custodes Shield Captain from FW, and whether he can be helmeted, I made some quick experiments with mine this morning. To summarise; the included head (obviously) and the regular Custodes helmet without the plume fits well and can be set at practically any angle on the horizontal axis. However, the plume limits that severely, only making about two positions work, sideglancing to the left and right, with a slight tilt. The Custodian Warden helmets doesn't fit at all, since the wings of the forehead eagle are too wide to fit inside the halo and backpiece Aquila. Also, the large "pearl" in the center of the halo can be an issue as it gets in the way of the regular Custodes helmet, so it can't be tilted back that much either. Images within spoilers.

Hope this helps those that might be thinking of getting him, or those that just want to hate on the model. I'll likely remove the Iron Halo, since the detail is obscured if the model is helmeted anyhow.

Please have the decency and respect to use his correct honorific.

He is Lord Headington of the Legio Largecranii.

I'll never understand how, whenever a model comes out, people hate if it has a bare head. Is painting faces really that hard?
Cause I ain't got trouble with it.

A lot of people just don't like unhelmeted faces. They're entitled to their opinion. It has nothing to do with painting the faces.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
I'll never understand how, whenever a model comes out, people hate if it has a bare head. Is painting faces really that hard?
Cause I ain't got trouble with it.

Some people don’t like the idea of soldiers running round battlefields with bullets flying everywhere unhelmeted.

Sounds like a silly excuse to me. This is a fantasy scifi game with forcefields.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Sounds like a silly excuse to me. This is a fantasy scifi game with forcefields.

Why does someone need an excuse for having different preferences to you?

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Sounds like a silly excuse to me. This is a fantasy scifi game with forcefields.

Yeah, because even if it was remotely true, you can't, you know, combine helmet with force field to add protection and look less stupid, eh?

Also, the head of the cranialstode looks ugly, doesn't fit the art and the plastic Custodes look, clashes colours with the rest of the mini unless you accommodate for it, and in general is junk. Addition of the helmet would greatly improve the mini, alas, FW was too lazy to do that (or couldn't produce helmet that would look good and fit in the space given the above experiments)...

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
I'll never understand how, whenever a model comes out, people hate if it has a bare head. Is painting faces really that hard?
Cause I ain't got trouble with it.

Because the head looks terrible.
I mean, how is that a good model? His head looks really out of proportion, like it belongs to a different scale.

Thanks for the pictures, Custodian - with the model in hand, would you say the head is as bad as the pictures made it out to be, or is a victim of FW paintjob/photography?

 ImAGeek wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Sounds like a silly excuse to me. This is a fantasy scifi game with forcefields.

Why does someone need an excuse for having different preferences to you?

*applauds*

 ImAGeek wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
I'll never understand how, whenever a model comes out, people hate if it has a bare head. Is painting faces really that hard?
Cause I ain't got trouble with it.

Some people don’t like the idea of soldiers running round battlefields with bullets flying everywhere unhelmeted.

While the disparity between what they can realistically achieve, skill wise, and what they find acceptable to look at when painting might be much wider than in hotsauceman's case for others.

Personally, I avoided open helms/helmetless heads for a long time because I wasn't happy with basecoat flesh, wash, highlight. A year or so ago I started to tackle the issue head on and made an effort to paint more faces in an attempt to improve. I'm happy with my progress, but I can certainly understand someone's frustration if they feel that if they bought and painted a model they wouldn't be bale to do it justice, and that's going to be a lot more common with eyes and faces on the to-do list.

I'm a mix between the two.

I'm not a very good painter and I don't like the image of warriors without helmets. I'm of the opinion that if you are a captain/official/leader, you show it with a very fancy helmet (Wings, Crests, Horns, etc...), not going bare head.

 Dysartes wrote:
Thanks for the pictures, Custodian - with the model in hand, would you say the head is as bad as the pictures made it out to be, or is a victim of FW paintjob/photography?

Comparing it to the bare heads from the Warden and "regular" Custodes kits, I'd say the proportions are a little off on the resin head, being generally larger, and the cables being much wider.

And my view on the helmet-issue is that I don't like having superhuman warriors clad in some of the best armour the Imperium can offer, with life-support systems that can ensure their survival in all but the worst conditions and incorporating advanced sensors into their most basic Space Marine power armour, leave their helmets at home based on some idea that they'll "look cooler/fiercer/tougher" without them. Doesn't sound like something a centuries-old warrior would do. Not to mention that culturally, not wearing a helmet or removing it in the presence of soldiers from other units is a sign of respect or veneration. Going off the sentiments of the Custodes from Master of Mankind, I find the notion of them doing anything like that to even a Space Marine hard to believe.