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 Crimson wrote:

 Midnightdeathblade wrote:


Have you played a game of Horus Heresy? Bro, just no. lmao. In no way is it pointless, otherwise it wouldnt be the most popular thing forgeworld produces.

It obviously cannot be that popular, as FW just discontinued a huge chunk of HH stuff. The whole game could be condensed into a supplement for Space Marine codex which contains the 30K options.

Minor things. And "huge". 5 out of 154 for sons of horus. Whooooooooo! AMAZING! 3% of items discontinued. Which weren't even essential. STOP THE PRESS! END OF THE WORLD IS NEAR!

Yeah right not. No HH, FW would go bust.

Biggest issue was that those items were for MKII that don't sell due to plastic MKIV and MKIII. Why spend money upkeeping MKII line when you can get more money by concentrating on the MKIII and MKIV line? Yeah maybe MKII might have been profitable. Even more profitable with MKIV. Does FW want X or 2X of profits?

 Crimson wrote:

 Midnightdeathblade wrote:


Have you played a game of Horus Heresy? Bro, just no. lmao. In no way is it pointless, otherwise it wouldnt be the most popular thing forgeworld produces.

It obviously cannot be that popular, as FW just discontinued a huge chunk of HH stuff. The whole game could be condensed into a supplement for Space Marine codex which contains the 30K options.

Not if they want to keep the same appeal for the game. The condensed version fits into 5 Codex-sized books full of rules and basically no fluff, which is not far off the entirety of 40k in Index form (BRB and 5 Indices).

A lot of the appeal for the HH rules is the nuanced differences between units and the different flavours and options available. Could you pare down the rules to fit into a single supplement? Yes, but then it wouldn't be anywhere near as good as it is.

There's literally a weekend long event annually for Horus Heresy put on by Forgeworld. Your argument is invalid lol.

Since they made plastic box sets they'll have cut into the sales of the resin stuff full stop,

and pushed the remaining resin sales towards stuff compatible with the armour marks in plastic

 Crimson wrote:

 Midnightdeathblade wrote:


Have you played a game of Horus Heresy? Bro, just no. lmao. In no way is it pointless, otherwise it wouldnt be the most popular thing forgeworld produces.

It obviously cannot be that popular, as FW just discontinued a huge chunk of HH stuff. The whole game could be condensed into a supplement for Space Marine codex which contains the 30K options.

A supplement containing rules, special units and characters for 18 legions plus Blackshield marines, rules for Mechanicum forces, Titan Legions, Knight Households, Solar Auxilia, Imperial Militia and Warp Cults? How big is this supplement going to be?

 Midnightdeathblade wrote:
There's literally a weekend long event annually for Horus Heresy put on by Forgeworld. Your argument is invalid lol.

To be fair, it's now the Horus Heresy & Necromunda Weekender.

You guys need to recognize when you're getting trolled. At the same time, I don't think 'HH is as popular and well-supported as ever!' is true, either. It's pretty clear that Specialist Games is the big new thing at FW now, and that's not exactly going to change after Titanicus, Battlefleet, etc. are released. HH isn't going anywhere, but I don't know how anyone can claim it's the priority anymore.

 gorgon wrote:

 Midnightdeathblade wrote:
There's literally a weekend long event annually for Horus Heresy put on by Forgeworld. Your argument is invalid lol.

To be fair, it's now the Horus Heresy & Necromunda Weekender.

You guys need to recognize when you're getting trolled. At the same time, I don't think 'HH is as popular and well-supported as ever!' is true, either. It's pretty clear that Specialist Games is the big new thing at FW now, and that's not exactly going to change after Titanicus, Battlefleet, etc. are released. HH isn't going anywhere, but I don't know how anyone can claim it's the priority anymore.

Anecdotal evidence suggests you may well be correct. I always got the sense that there were two kinds of HH players, those who really loved the lore and those who played HH because it fixed a lot of the perceived problems with 7th edition. The release of 8th may well have been a big blow to the popularity of HH.

 MonkeyBallistic wrote:

 gorgon wrote:

 Midnightdeathblade wrote:
There's literally a weekend long event annually for Horus Heresy put on by Forgeworld. Your argument is invalid lol.

To be fair, it's now the Horus Heresy & Necromunda Weekender.

You guys need to recognize when you're getting trolled. At the same time, I don't think 'HH is as popular and well-supported as ever!' is true, either. It's pretty clear that Specialist Games is the big new thing at FW now, and that's not exactly going to change after Titanicus, Battlefleet, etc. are released. HH isn't going anywhere, but I don't know how anyone can claim it's the priority anymore.

Anecdotal evidence suggests you may well be correct. I always got the sense that there were two kinds of HH players, those who really loved the lore and those who played HH because it fixed a lot of the perceived problems with 7th edition. The release of 8th may well have been a big blow to the popularity of HH.

Anecdotal evidence is pretty terrible. My anecdotal evidence is that when 8th dropped everyone jumped ship to Heresy because it's still fun and 8th sucks massively. (In our opinion at least, I know a lot of people really like 8th. Somehow.)

Why are you guys all so obviously falling for that guy's trolling?
He's just one random guy on the internet with an opinion that is laughably divorced from reality. Move along.

 jojo_monkey_boy wrote:
Why are you guys all so obviously falling for that guy's trolling?
He's just one random guy on the internet with an opinion that is laughably divorced from reality. Move along.

I think most of us take for granted we are among adults/peers who won't bring that crap here.

 MonkeyBallistic wrote:

 gorgon wrote:

 Midnightdeathblade wrote:
There's literally a weekend long event annually for Horus Heresy put on by Forgeworld. Your argument is invalid lol.

To be fair, it's now the Horus Heresy & Necromunda Weekender.

You guys need to recognize when you're getting trolled. At the same time, I don't think 'HH is as popular and well-supported as ever!' is true, either. It's pretty clear that Specialist Games is the big new thing at FW now, and that's not exactly going to change after Titanicus, Battlefleet, etc. are released. HH isn't going anywhere, but I don't know how anyone can claim it's the priority anymore.

Anecdotal evidence suggests you may well be correct. I always got the sense that there were two kinds of HH players, those who really loved the lore and those who played HH because it fixed a lot of the perceived problems with 7th edition. The release of 8th may well have been a big blow to the popularity of HH.

What I think is that there are many types of players who interface with the rules, fluff, and miniatures in a multitude of ways. The 7th vs. 8th thing is an unfortunate fracture in the community, but even there everyone on either side doesn't have identical interests.

tneva82 wrote:
Minor things. And "huge". 5 out of 154 for sons of horus. Whooooooooo! AMAZING! 3% of items discontinued. Which weren't even essential. STOP THE PRESS! END OF THE WORLD IS NEAR!

Could you try not being so disingenuous?

There are not 154 Sons of Horus options on the FW website. The Sons of Horus section includes everything a Sons of Horus army can take, not 154 items that are specific to the Sons of Horus. That 154 items includes tanks and dreadnoughts that everyone can get, non-Legion specific weapon and upgrade packs, character models and HQ packs, bundle packs for vehicles, aircraft, and even a piece of landing pad terrain.

Of the actual Sons of Horus kits in that 154 list, there are 21 that contain Sons of Horus parts (and some of them are just bundle collections). So they're losing 5 out of 21, not 5 out of 154.

But you knew that already...

Indeed. One if the joys of HH was being able to model your marines to look distinctly different from other legions, not just painting them a different colour and slapping a transfer on them. Although if you were planning on collecting Blackshields, you can’t even slap a transfer on them now.

 MonkeyBallistic wrote:
Indeed. One if the joys of HH was being able to model your marines to look distinctly different from other legions, not just painting them a different colour and slapping a transfer on them. Although if you were planning on collecting Blackshields, you can’t even slap a transfer on them now.

I agree. Although to be fair, the appeal of Blackshields is creating your own unique little force- I can't imagine many folk went for a "stock" Blackshields force and used the transfers.

On the other hand, how much logistics does it take to stock a transfer sheet?

You would imagine they have minimum runs and they weren't selling enough to justify another run.

So, FW is telling us to support our local recasters, right?

hungryugolino wrote:
So, FW is telling us to support our local recasters, right?

Not sure where you are getting that. The torsos probably weren’t selling for gak. People buying recasts are going for big tanks, not Torsos.

There are only a few shoulder pad only SKUs on that list, and they’re the MKII ones. I can’t recall seeing MKII marines on the table...ever. The rest are combos like complete tac squads with helmets, torsos, and pads OR pad + torso combos.

The Dark Angels ones are a head scratcher. They are in the next book, right?

 kronk wrote:

hungryugolino wrote:
So, FW is telling us to support our local recasters, right?

Not sure where you are getting that. The torsos probably weren’t selling for gak. People buying recasts are going for big tanks, not Torsos.

There are only a few shoulder pad only SKUs on that list, and they’re the MKII ones. I can’t recall seeing MKII marines on the table...ever. The rest are combos like complete tac squads with helmets, torsos, and pads OR pad + torso combos.

The Dark Angels ones are a head scratcher. They are in the next book, right?

Dark Angels aren’t, but Blood Angels and White Scars are.

 Haighus wrote:

 MonkeyBallistic wrote:
Indeed. One if the joys of HH was being able to model your marines to look distinctly different from other legions, not just painting them a different colour and slapping a transfer on them. Although if you were planning on collecting Blackshields, you can’t even slap a transfer on them now.

I agree. Although to be fair, the appeal of Blackshields is creating your own unique little force- I can't imagine many folk went for a "stock" Blackshields force and used the transfers.

On the other hand, how much logistics does it take to stock a transfer sheet?

That may be true, but personally that was one of my favourite transfer sheets from FW. So many cool designs and little glyphs. I’ve used them on more than marines.

So, FW gets ride of a bunch of tiny insignificant stuff that has no rules and can easily be bought from 3Ed party and people freak out.
Man HH players are entitled.

Not news, a rumor, on topic or polite - congrats?

Anyway, do we have a release date for Alpharius, and do we know what Primarch is slated to be next?

 Mysterio wrote:

Anyway, do we have a release date for Alpharius, and do we know what Primarch is slated to be next?

He'll be available initially at Warhammer Fest next weekend. I would expect a general release within a few weeks of that.

 Tannhauser42 wrote:

 Mysterio wrote:

Anyway, do we have a release date for Alpharius, and do we know what Primarch is slated to be next?

He'll be available initially at Warhammer Fest next weekend. I would expect a general release within a few weeks of that.

Do we know the price yet? I mean it's one of the smaller Primarchs and a comparatively rudimentary base, so £60 is the most likely, right?

 MonkeyBallistic wrote:
Indeed. One if the joys of HH was being able to model your marines to look distinctly different from other legions, not just painting them a different colour and slapping a transfer on them. Although if you were planning on collecting Blackshields, you can’t even slap a transfer on them now.

Soooooo...How many MKII armours your army contains? Hopefully more than 0 since you seems to disagree with their decision.

GW(and by extension FW) aren't doing things out of spite but for ££££££££££££. Just remember reason for every move is basically greed. They might not be correct moves(they aren't perfect super humans so mistakes happen) but it's always about maximising profit margin. And if MKII armours, you know https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-FI/Legion-MkII-Crusade-Armour-2016 these guys don't sell neither will their upgrade kits and if the upgrade kits don't sell enough they will cost money for the FW. For price of squad(20) of these you can get 30 MKIV bodies, 2 characters, dreadnought, 10£ spare(and actually even more since calth you can get for discount) AND don't need to still buy weapons!!!

Now I don't know about you but I really suspect that armour is big seller. And if it's not selling odds are bloody good neither are related shoulder pads etc especially as not everybody who buys power armour body will buy shoulder pad to begin with. And if they don't sell enough keeping them on sale costs money for FW. Which in turn leads to smaller profits.

Now remind me. Does FW want more profits at the end of the year or less? Are they in this business for money or for charity?

By far vast majority of items that goes away were predictable to be targets for range culling the second plastic kits were released.

In practice this won't affect armies in large scale. I have yet to see MKII armour out on real except from recasters(no sales for FW) or the one squad I have.

tneva82 wrote:

 MonkeyBallistic wrote:
Indeed. One if the joys of HH was being able to model your marines to look distinctly different from other legions, not just painting them a different colour and slapping a transfer on them. Although if you were planning on collecting Blackshields, you can’t even slap a transfer on them now.

Soooooo...How many MKII armours your army contains? Hopefully more than 0 since you seems to disagree with their decision.

GW(and by extension FW) aren't doing things out of spite but for ££££££££££££. Just remember reason for every move is basically greed. They might not be correct moves(they aren't perfect super humans so mistakes happen) but it's always about maximising profit margin. And if MKII armours, you know https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-FI/Legion-MkII-Crusade-Armour-2016 these guys don't sell neither will their upgrade kits and if the upgrade kits don't sell enough they will cost money for the FW. For price of squad(20) of these you can get 30 MKIV bodies, 2 characters, dreadnought, 10£ spare(and actually even more since calth you can get for discount) AND don't need to still buy weapons!!!

Now I don't know about you but I really suspect that armour is big seller. And if it's not selling odds are bloody good neither are related shoulder pads etc especially as not everybody who buys power armour body will buy shoulder pad to begin with. And if they don't sell enough keeping them on sale costs money for FW. Which in turn leads to smaller profits.

Now remind me. Does FW want more profits at the end of the year or less? Are they in this business for money or for charity?

By far vast majority of items that goes away were predictable to be targets for range culling the second plastic kits were released.

In practice this won't affect armies in large scale. I have yet to see MKII armour out on real except from recasters(no sales for FW) or the one squad I have.

Ignoring your patronising tone, I’m not disagreeing with their decision, I’m just a little sad that it’s happening. Removing all these ways of customising your army makes HH that little bit less enticing at a time when, I suspect, it’s already losing ground. Not all of the upgrade parts being removed are for MkII Armour. Some are designed for mkiii or even mkiv. That can’t be a good sign, if they can’t sell enough upgrades for the marks that do have plastic kits.

People, rule #1 please and stay on topic.

I soent money to future proof my ultramarines.

Im a sell out.

If this ends up them just repacking the salt will be real.

Hmm - I can see the Mk2 stuff going away for now.

I could also see a plastic Mk2 release at some point down the line, and these packs coming back into play then. After all, they're not going to destroy the masters or the moulds...

Not doing Cataphracti pads for the other Legions was something I was a bit irked by, admittedly - seems like a missed opportunity.

Ill have to get my Cataphractii Pads from Pop! Goes the monkey, i suppose. My tartaros ones too while im at it.

 Crazyterran wrote:
Ill have to get my Cataphractii Pads from Pop! Goes the monkey, i suppose. My tartaros ones too while im at it.

The real priority reason (imo) the legion upgrades are getting axed.
They need more room for specialist games, HH is likely dropping in mass as a popular game due to 8th's success (whether you agree or not, I think we can agree this could be highly probable), and recasters and 3d printers are gouging their IP out from under them.
I'd cut the line too. The sad truth is, we all would in their position.

But I'm also taking this as a hopeful, 'well thats 120 new kits for Necro, AT, BB....etc.'
The free dreadnought weapon is a nice unspoken apology.