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 lord_blackfang wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Well, no model updates there that I can see.

Still think the SERFS keyword is awfully suspicious. But if there were adding an old kit like zombies to the army today's article would be the place to showcase it. Bah.

Feeding Frenzy is great and I'm very happy to see "chapter tactics".

It doesn't look like it's actually a "keyword" but rather it relates to the Summoning ability the new guy has...they described it in text rather than post the ability proper.

It's a keyword. New guy can summon "either a COURTIER, a unit of up to 3 KNIGHTS or a unit of up to 20 SERFS". I got this directly from squinting really hard at his actual warscroll in an Carrion Empires promo pic. I don't know why they would introduce a new keyword instead of just saying 20 Crypt Ghouls unless there were more than one types of serf unit.

Oooh okay, good to know!

In that case then, I'm guessing that we'll be seeing a slight "rebranding" of things when it comes out--or they're adding the "Serfs" keyword to them along with "Knights" to the Flayers/Horrors. It would be a good bit of futureproofing for adding new units without needing to rework the spell.

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Well, no model updates there that I can see.

Still think the SERFS keyword is awfully suspicious. But if there were adding an old kit like zombies to the army today's article would be the place to showcase it. Bah.

Feeding Frenzy is great and I'm very happy to see "chapter tactics".

It doesn't look like it's actually a "keyword" but rather it relates to the Summoning ability the new guy has...they described it in text rather than post the ability proper.

It's a keyword. New guy can summon "either a COURTIER, a unit of up to 3 KNIGHTS or a unit of up to 20 SERFS". I got this directly from squinting really hard at his actual warscroll in an Carrion Empires promo pic. I don't know why they would introduce a new keyword instead of just saying 20 Crypt Ghouls unless there were more than one types of serf unit.

Probably for Fluff reasons. I imagine there is going to be a substantial lore update in this release from what we have seen.

I'm also pretty excited for the army changes as well. I haven't yet pulled the trigger on FEC, but I very likely will after this update. I enjoy the lore and like most of the models. Nabbing two halves of Carrion empire and two of the start collecting seems like a great start. Just need to get my hands on the battletome.

It's bringing in the lore and fluff more strongly and likely also leaves room to allow GW to expand the army in the future with more diverse model options.

 Knight wrote:

Cataphract wrote:
Hmmm Blisterskin Court worships Hysh? I wonder if Tyrion is hearing the constant chattering of the Mordants as part of his prayers from his other worshippers.

I expected this trope. It's suiting for the FEC, although it's a bit unclear to me if that particular court emigrated from Fire into the Light (sounds like a cheesy power metal song), seems that whatever is calling the realm of Hysh its home gets some bonus on movement along with command point regeneration/recycle.

I'd love it if it'd be stated that Tyrion is capable to perceive their delusion. I think it was showcased that although he is blind he does perceive other things, I'm not sure where I've read that (perhaps in Pantheon).

Really happy with the flavor of both books.

Hysh serves as a sun of sorts for the other realms, so I think they dwell in the realm of fire but worship the light of hysh.

Flesh-Eater courts is looking like an awesome book. And I'm really glad they recombined all the Skaven into one list. I'm kind of surprised they're not a 'Destruction' army though, as they really do bust up a lot of stuff (some of which is theirs). I get that they're chaos with the lore, but I don't feel like Chaos needs anything other than the 4 gods, and Slaves to Darkness. Not a complaint, just seems like they'd make a good piece of the Orc/Grot/Ogre crew.

 Overread wrote:

nagash42 wrote:
It looks like a molerat ogre lol.

This is because somewhere between Old World and AoS the painting and art team at GW stopped using the fur detail as a guide and used it as a firm barrier; so all their rats started ending up bald with a few stray hairs here and there.

Yeah, what is up with that? It looks bad on the skaven but REALLY dumb on the Beastmen. It's like there's some mandate against the concept of peach-fuzz fur at GW? That or waxing is way popular with the AoS fuzzy folk...

 NinthMusketeer wrote:

 Knight wrote:

Cataphract wrote:
Hmmm Blisterskin Court worships Hysh? I wonder if Tyrion is hearing the constant chattering of the Mordants as part of his prayers from his other worshippers.

I expected this trope. It's suiting for the FEC, although it's a bit unclear to me if that particular court emigrated from Fire into the Light (sounds like a cheesy power metal song), seems that whatever is calling the realm of Hysh its home gets some bonus on movement along with command point regeneration/recycle.

I'd love it if it'd be stated that Tyrion is capable to perceive their delusion. I think it was showcased that although he is blind he does perceive other things, I'm not sure where I've read that (perhaps in Pantheon).

Really happy with the flavor of both books.

Hysh serves as a sun of sorts for the other realms, so I think they dwell in the realm of fire but worship the light of hysh.

Yeah I think they are referring to the sun, for in the new scourge of fate book they don't mention the sun but the light of hysh. I would make a certain dark souls meme but I assume most people are tired of it by now.

Those skaven spells are really nice. I could make my own rat swarm I suppose - but new GW keeps making things cooler than I could build!

And when Ulgu eclipses Hysh, it’s nightime across the realms isn’t it?

So I take it that realms are either planetoids or ‘disks’?

They are discs within spheres.

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
Hysh serves as a sun of sorts for the other realms, so I think they dwell in the realm of fire but worship the light of hysh.

Well... Praise the Sun.

\[T]/

 skullking wrote:
Flesh-Eater courts is looking like an awesome book. And I'm really glad they recombined all the Skaven into one list. I'm kind of surprised they're not a 'Destruction' army though, as they really do bust up a lot of stuff (some of which is theirs). I get that they're chaos with the lore, but I don't feel like Chaos needs anything other than the 4 gods, and Slaves to Darkness. Not a complaint, just seems like they'd make a good piece of the Orc/Grot/Ogre crew.

 Overread wrote:

nagash42 wrote:
It looks like a molerat ogre lol.

This is because somewhere between Old World and AoS the painting and art team at GW stopped using the fur detail as a guide and used it as a firm barrier; so all their rats started ending up bald with a few stray hairs here and there.

Yeah, what is up with that? It looks bad on the skaven but REALLY dumb on the Beastmen. It's like there's some mandate against the concept of peach-fuzz fur at GW? That or waxing is way popular with the AoS fuzzy folk...

It’s almost bikini season.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/02/07/chaos-battletome-skaven-endless-spells/

So as a neat update from today's post, Skaventide Priests are referenced, so seems Pestilens is moved from Wizards to Priests. Neat.

Pestilens was always priests in AoS.

Anyways, those endless spells kick ass. I wonder how many points they will cost.

 skullking wrote:
And I'm really glad they recombined all the Skaven into one list. I'm kind of surprised they're not a 'Destruction' army though, as they really do bust up a lot of stuff (some of which is theirs). I get that they're chaos with the lore, but I don't feel like Chaos needs anything other than the 4 gods, and Slaves to Darkness. Not a complaint, just seems like they'd make a good piece of the Orc/Grot/Ogre crew.

I’ve never been into fantasy lore, but haven’t Skaven always been chaos? I distinctly remember that when the very first metal Skaven were released, they were called “Chaos Ratmen”.

Edit- Found a picture

From at least 5th ed on, they were their own thing. They were never associated with chaos again until AOS.

auticus wrote:
From at least 5th ed on, they were their own thing. They were never associated with chaos again until AOS.

I did not know that. It does make sense to me that they are chaos though. Are they not a particular and peculiar form of beast man?

auticus wrote:
From at least 5th ed on, they were their own thing. They were never associated with chaos again until AOS.

Not directly, until the end times actually, but they’ve always been products of Chaos.

Certainly in the Gotrek and Felix books they are linked to Chaos, esp through warp stone. However even back then whilst they were creatures of Chaos they were never allied with the big four Gods of Chaos. In that respect Skaven always did their own thing and I think over time that grew and grew until they were standing quite apart even though they were still working with the warp and warpstone.

AoS and the End Times cemented them as Chaos though and has even risen the Great Horned One to the status of a true Chaos God - or at least a god of the Warp from whence Chaos comes.

auticus wrote:
From at least 5th ed on, they were their own thing. They were never associated with chaos again until AOS.

Gotta call horse gak on this. They have always been children of chaos, whether they were referred to as a beastman variant or since becoming their own race and empire. They were created by exposure to warpstone which is concentrated chaos energy. They use warpstone extensively in their civilization. Their engineers weaponize chaos energy, their geneticists use chaos energy to create mutants, their priests use chaos to spread plague and worship “Nurglitch” ffs. To say they were never associated with Chaos between 5th and AoS is absolutely false.

Skaven have always been Chaos creatures but they where independent from the Chaos Gods. The Horned Rat was always a Chaos Entity from the Warp.

 Nostromodamus wrote:

auticus wrote:
From at least 5th ed on, they were their own thing. They were never associated with chaos again until AOS.

Gotta call horse gak on this. They have always been children of chaos, whether they were referred to as a beastman variant or since becoming their own race and empire. They were created by exposure to warpstone which is concentrated chaos energy. They use warpstone extensively in their civilization. Their engineers weaponize chaos energy, their geneticists use chaos energy to create mutants, their priests use chaos to spread plague and worship “Nurglitch” ffs. To say they were never associated with Chaos between 5th and AoS is absolutely false.

Well then I guess I was asleep at the wheel because I have all the books from 5th to 8th and was an avid player from all of those editions and never drew a connection to skaven and chaos to indicate that they followed or were part of the chaos pantheon. If you have any specific source material that compares them to children of chaos from 2000 - 2015 era i'd love to go re reference what I missed for my own continuity.

Guess you were. Try reading literally anything about Skaven origin, magic or technology and you can link them to Chaos.

I concur that Skaven have always been creatures of Chaos. Perhaps the references were toned down in later army books, I can't remember but the Horned Rat was always a Chaos God and the Vermin Lord was always a daemon.

New rumors for april
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvKX06Hw2ak

Many thanks to Xavi for sharing the information:
In April new Battletomes of Sylvaneth and Kharadron Overlords , accompanied by the bands of Warhammer Underworlds that announced at the time.
Scenography of an Eternal Stormcast city , something very big. It occurs to me that something like what they got out of chaos but in good.

by miniwars

 aracersss wrote:
New rumors for april
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvKX06Hw2ak

Many thanks to Xavi for sharing the information:
In April new Battletomes of Sylvaneth and Kharadron Overlords , accompanied by the bands of Warhammer Underworlds that announced at the time.
Scenography of an Eternal Stormcast city , something very big. It occurs to me that something like what they got out of chaos but in good.

by miniwars

I wonder if Kharadron will get the rumored second wave.

I'm a bit surprised that these two are getting their tomes before Seraphon and Fyreslayers. Though Kharadron are probably tied with BCR for worst battletome.

 aracersss wrote:
New rumors for april
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvKX06Hw2ak

Many thanks to Xavi for sharing the information:
In April new Battletomes of Sylvaneth and Kharadron Overlords , accompanied by the bands of Warhammer Underworlds that announced at the time.
Scenography of an Eternal Stormcast city , something very big. It occurs to me that something like what they got out of chaos but in good.

by miniwars

Here's hoping we see some of these at the LVO seminar tonight.

I really hope the Overlords are getting a new book. 2 years after the first too.

I'd be curious as to what they could possibly add to the Kharadron. More specialized ships? Better flight stands? Perhaps some sort of dreadnought style unit?

Of course I'd be pleased as punch with some new lizards of some sort... looks like I'll have to keep drinking from those 3rd party wells for the time being then...

Kharadrons have a book. Gimme my Slaanesh stuff!!!
As long as they keep the arcane items and general traits from the Generals Handbook. More spells, more heroes, named KoS, Azazel the Daemon Prince (biggest Anti-Sigmar Daemon in Warhammer more), Battalions and spells that increase ways for depravity points, rebox the Hellstriders and throw in Fulgrim for the giggles of it, and I’ll be pleased as punch!