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 frozenwastes wrote:
I could swear episode 10 of stormcast had the head of the AoS studio saying that all the factions will get a battletome for 2.0.

Yep and they've already confirmed that 2019 is a massive year for them. Clearly 40K has done supremely well with the new approach and they are copying that directly over to AoS. Not to mention that AoS needs it even more as some armies still don't have any formal army book at all in any form. So yep 2.0 tomes all round is the order of the day. Also pretty much all of them are getting endless spells and terrain features as well. In fact we might reach a point where only Idoneth and Daugthers of Khaine are lacking for both in the whole range. Though I'm still holding out that they either do a wave 2 model release (daughters vs idoneth duel box) or at least a second wave release with spells and terrain.

Well battletomes not in AoS 2.0 are:

- Daughters of Khaine
- Idoneth Deepkin
- Kharadron Overlords
- Seraphon
- Disciples of Treentch
- Maggotkin of Nurgle
- Everchosen
- Legions of Nagash
- Beastclaw Raiders
- Ironjawz
- Bonesplitterz

They could do all of those this year quite easily.

Sotahullu wrote:
Well battletomes not in AoS 2.0 are:

- Daughters of Khaine
- Idoneth Deepkin
- Kharadron Overlords
- Seraphon
- Disciples of Treentch
- Maggotkin of Nurgle
- Everchosen
- Legions of Nagash
- Beastclaw Raiders
- Ironjawz
- Bonesplitterz

They could do all of those this year quite easily.

And you know, all those factions which did not have a battletome in 1.0 either...

Sotahullu wrote:
Well battletomes not in AoS 2.0 are:

- Daughters of Khaine
- Idoneth Deepkin
- Kharadron Overlords
- Seraphon
- Disciples of Treentch
- Maggotkin of Nurgle
- Everchosen
- Legions of Nagash
- Beastclaw Raiders
- Ironjawz
- Bonesplitterz

They could do all of those this year quite easily.

Some of the last 1.0 battletomes are actually 2.0 battletomes which were made reverse compatible with the older edition.

https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/773473.page

Lists the current state in terms of Battletomes. Also lets not forget that some factions like Everchosen and Slaves to Darkness are likely to be rolled into one.

Heck the GW survey had Gutbusters and Beastclaw Raiders both listed under "Ogors" which suggests a united Ogors Battletome. So that also means the speed of releases can go up if they combine a few of the armies.

In theory you could cut destruction down to just 2 battletomes; whilst Chaos only needs 2 more if Everchosen and Slaves are in a single Tome. Death is done so the bulk would be for Order.

Yes, I also expect the wave of new battletomes will increase in the next months. I wouldn't be surprised if they do the V2 even for Idoneth and Daughters of Khaine quite fast as well - Idoneth already have their special terrain, they just need to add endless spells and tweak a bit their rules, daughters of Khaine will certainly have just their special terrain and endless spells. Same for Kharadron Overlords and Tzeentch.

Maggotkin also has its special terrain, just need some Nurgle endless spells.

It's clear Beastclaw Raiders, Gutbusters, Fireeaters and Maneaters will be in one battletome. I also suspect Ironjaws and Bonesplitters will be united the same way than Gloomspite Gitz (with some kind of Gorkamorka idol as special terrain). Slave to Darkness and Everchosen are clearly hinted to be together as well.

Seraphons...don't know what they will do with them, but I think it will be just some terrain and endless spells too, but they certainly are one of the factions that still has quite a lot of finecasts that should be replaced. Saurus and skinks kits are quite old too, would be nice to get a new one but not sure they sell enough to justify this.

As for V1 armies, we will see. Free people will take the Arcane College and some of Ironweld Arsenal, while the dispossessed will take the other half of the Ironweld. As for the aelves...would make sense if they keep holding them back until the "big" release of Malerion, Tyrion and Teclis' respective factions. I'm pretty sure all the dark elves except daughters of khaine will go back with Malerion and all the previous high elves return to Teclis/Tyrion's faction with new releases.

There's still a lot of work to do, for sure, but I believe that at the pace GW is right now for AoS, it can indeed be done quite fast. Surprinsingly fast, in fact, when you think about it...Sylvaneth will already be the 7th battletome for V2 until the start of 2019. That's already a lot more than in 2018 with the launch of V2.

Why do people think that things would get rolled together so easily?

Sylvaneth and Wanderers will be a big test certainly, but it's silly to continuously assume that they're just going to do "Aelf/Freeguild/Duardin" books.

 Kanluwen wrote:
Why do people think that things would get rolled together so easily?

Sylvaneth and Wanderers will be a big test certainly, but it's silly to continuously assume that they're just going to do "Aelf/Freeguild/Duardin" books.

Some of the minifactions are just unworkably tiny and there are too many of them to expand them all into full, independently operating factions. Granted, there is no need to necessarily combine them along old FB lines. For example it would be interesting if Ironweld remained as joint human and duardin faction.

But whatever happens, please dear Sigmar, give me some plain regular humans!

 Kanluwen wrote:
Why do people think that things would get rolled together so easily?

Sylvaneth and Wanderers will be a big test certainly, but it's silly to continuously assume that they're just going to do "Aelf/Freeguild/Duardin" books.

Because we have precedents, that's all. Why were skavens regrouped, for example ? Because it's easier to release a whole set of battletomes for the last version of the game as soon as possible. You can always make smaller factions after that, when it is needed (cf Nighthaunts - they were a subfaction of Legions of Nagash, after all). Regroup first, then divide. That's how it works the best.

It's clear to me that's the way GW is leaning at the moment. It's not about making "Battletome - Ogors" - it's just that now, with the miniatures available, if you don't intend to really make a whole set of new miniatures and believe it's best at that time given the sales, it may be the best option to gather them all in one book.

 Sarouan wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
Why do people think that things would get rolled together so easily?

Sylvaneth and Wanderers will be a big test certainly, but it's silly to continuously assume that they're just going to do "Aelf/Freeguild/Duardin" books.

Because we have precedents, that's all.

Do we really though? So where are the Shadowblades in DoK? How about the Privateers in Idoneth?

Or hey, how about those Slaanesh Mortals in the Hedonites book?

Why were skavens regrouped, for example ? Because it's easier to release a whole set of battletomes for the last version of the game as soon as possible.

Or maybe it's easier to release a battletome that effectively already has a "<Clan>" built in for the units themselves...?

You can always make smaller factions after that, when it is needed (cf Nighthaunts - they were a subfaction of Legions of Nagash, after all). Regroup first, then divide. That's how it works the best.

By your logic, Sylvaneth are part of the Idoneth book since there's a combined faction battalion in their book.

It's clear to me that's the way GW is leaning at the moment. It's not about making "Battletome - Ogors" - it's just that now, with the miniatures available, if you don't intend to really make a whole set of new miniatures and believe it's best at that time given the sales, it may be the best option to gather them all in one book.

Frankly, it's clear to me that you're just making things up to fit your argument.

I think Ironjawz and Greenskinz will be rolled together, not sure about Bonesplittaz. Gloomspite-Gitmob-Scuttlers show us that it won't be as simple as rolling all factions of a given race together.


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 Kanluwen wrote:

 Sarouan wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
Why do people think that things would get rolled together so easily?

Sylvaneth and Wanderers will be a big test certainly, but it's silly to continuously assume that they're just going to do "Aelf/Freeguild/Duardin" books.

Because we have precedents, that's all.

Do we really though? So where are the Shadowblades in DoK? How about the Privateers in Idoneth?

Or hey, how about those Slaanesh Mortals in the Hedonites book?

Why were skavens regrouped, for example ? Because it's easier to release a whole set of battletomes for the last version of the game as soon as possible.

Or maybe it's easier to release a battletome that effectively already has a "<Clan>" built in for the units themselves...?

You can always make smaller factions after that, when it is needed (cf Nighthaunts - they were a subfaction of Legions of Nagash, after all). Regroup first, then divide. That's how it works the best.

By your logic, Sylvaneth are part of the Idoneth book since there's a combined faction battalion in their book.

It's clear to me that's the way GW is leaning at the moment. It's not about making "Battletome - Ogors" - it's just that now, with the miniatures available, if you don't intend to really make a whole set of new miniatures and believe it's best at that time given the sales, it may be the best option to gather them all in one book.

Frankly, it's clear to me that you're just making things up to fit your argument.

Privateers in Idoneth? Idoneth are a completely new army, there is no analogy there to what he is saying. Slaanesh mortals in Hedonites is not the same thing either; there was never a separate faction for mortal Slaanesh even back in GHB1 days. The logic of Sylvaneth-Idoneth being wrapped together because of a battalion is also completely separate from the argument he's making. Shadowblades in DoK is the only relevant analogy you have here.

Thank you for explaining to me my whole point.

His whole argument is predicated upon Skaven and Legion of Nagash being the "precedents", when we have items from the same timeframe not following the same pattern.

 Kanluwen wrote:
Thank you for explaining to me my whole point.

His whole argument is predicated upon Skaven and Legion of Nagash being the "precedents", when we have items from the same timeframe not following the same pattern.

His argument was "It would make sense to combine these armies. Here are some recent examples of how they've done that". Not sure why you've chosen to take it personally.

 Kanluwen wrote:
Thank you for explaining to me my whole point.

His whole argument is predicated upon Skaven and Legion of Nagash being the "precedents", when we have items from the same timeframe not following the same pattern.

I was explaining how those items are irrelevant to the point he is making. He said there is precedent for smaller factions being rolled together, and you gave examples of: a new army entirely, a faction that never existed, two factions that are present in the same battalion, and a small faction that was not rolled into its original 'parent' when the latter was updated.

It is like saying "ghosts are not real because there are TV shows involving zombies, aliens are not real, there is a story with both ghost and human characters, and because a university did an intensive study which was unable to find any proof." The last example supports your point, the other three do not logically connect.

 Overread wrote:

 frozenwastes wrote:
I could swear episode 10 of stormcast had the head of the AoS studio saying that all the factions will get a battletome for 2.0.

Yep and they've already confirmed that 2019 is a massive year for them. Clearly 40K has done supremely well with the new approach and they are copying that directly over to AoS. Not to mention that AoS needs it even more as some armies still don't have any formal army book at all in any form. So yep 2.0 tomes all round is the order of the day. Also pretty much all of them are getting endless spells and terrain features as well. In fact we might reach a point where only Idoneth and Daugthers of Khaine are lacking for both in the whole range. Though I'm still holding out that they either do a wave 2 model release (daughters vs idoneth duel box) or at least a second wave release with spells and terrain.

The deepkin already have terrain(the wrecked ship) they just lack spells

Apparently due to some reveals in the Slaanesh Battletome the next new army to be released for AOS is likely to be from Hysh lead by Teclis.

“...Teclis begins to gather armies of his own. He amasses the martial orders of the Realm of Light, and invokes ancient pacts with the spirits of Hysh to bolster his gleaming warhosts for the new era of conflict to come.”

While there are plenty of mentions of things going on in Ulgu nothing really concrete surfaces of Malerion doing anything in response (he outright scoffs at her claims of Slaanesh becoming a dire threat). All mentions of Slaanesh fighting in Ulgu is based on Morathi and her DOK. Hysh I do believe is the last Realm to not have a featured army for them*. So any future Aelf releases other than updates to the DOK will likely focus on Teclis’ amassing army.

That brings into question if this new Hysh force will have Tyrion and Teclis as a new model! I am unsure about this, I believe Teclis will get a new model but as for Tyrion it is unsure. I’d say GW would sell them both in one kit similar to the Eidolon - as very much like that mode both represent a martial and magical aspect. Regardless, at least one or both will receive new models. All of the Realm Gods who had models in Fantasy have so far received their own updates models (Nagash, Alarielle, Morathi-even if she is a Demi-god) while Grungni, Sigmar and Grimnir never had models. The only exceptions are Teclis, Tyrion and Malerion. The Eidolon doesn’t count because they are racial memories of Mathlan.

*It could be argued the Idoneth represent Hysh as they were created in that realm and still have enclaves there I think they are too distinct to represent the aspects of Hysh. Look at the Fyreslayers and Sylvaneth- they both scream Aqshy and Ghyran. As for the Stormcast (or Seraphon) for Azyr and Ironjawz for Ghur. Legions of Nagash for Shyish, Overlords for Chamon, DOK for Ulgu.

Anxious to see what they do for Beastclaw raiders. It would be great if they paired them with Gutbusters, or fire bellys (or both), but I'd love some new models like a plastic hunter, and Sabre tusks as well. But I'm guessing we'll just get a book, scenery, endless spells, and that's it. And really, that's not bad, especially when I compare it to how most of the 40k 8th ed. codex updates got nothing. It just never really feels like the army has been fully updated, unless you get a new hero, unit, or both.

Has anyone gotten the PDFs to work for the Sylvaneth Looncurse stuff?

Really excited to see hints that Hysh Elves are soon. I could see a giant centrepiece model that has Tyrion and Teclis together like the old Wood Elves sisters on their dragon.

 Eldarain wrote:
Really excited to see hints that Hysh Elves are soon. I could see a giant centrepiece model that has Tyrion and Teclis together like the old Wood Elves sisters on their dragon.

I really hope not.

The Sisters of Twilight were a cool concept but man, that execution.

I'm not going to get into Kan'ing the thread up but it is possible to do two heroes on one model in a pleasing aesthetic way. It was just a reference to a previous time they did so.

Alternatively, you could have just pointed at the new Hedonist Herald/Daemon Prince combo.

Honestly? I just would rather see them getting their own respective kits. Tyrion is supposed to be the god, while Teclis is kind of his oracle/high priest from what we had initially.

Tyrion's supposed to be blind and Teclis is, figuratively and literally, his eyes.

 Kanluwen wrote:

Tyrion's supposed to be blind and Teclis is, figuratively and literally, his eyes.

This being a large component of my thinking in the combined model expectation.

I kinda like the idea of them being separate models, but with bonuses for being nearer to each other.

Cataphract wrote:
Apparently due to some reveals in the Slaanesh Battletome the next new army to be released for AOS is likely to be from Hysh lead by Teclis.

“...Teclis begins to gather armies of his own. He amasses the martial orders of the Realm of Light, and invokes ancient pacts with the spirits of Hysh to bolster his gleaming warhosts for the new era of conflict to come.”

Before people start making this out to be more than it is (e.g.Grotbag Scuttlers mentioned in KO tome but still nowhere to be seen), all this really means is that Hysh Aelves are confirmed as a thing that exists in the setting and are probably getting an army at some point. It could be the next big release, it could be later this year, it could be planned as the big release army for third edition. Please don't do that thing where the internet turns a nod in the fluff into evidence of a release schedule which turns into "GW promised this was coming soon!" which turns into "GW LIED TO US!!!!"

Heh...and people said exactly that about the Deepkin in Daughters of Khaine.

 Kanluwen wrote:
Heh...and people said exactly that about the Deepkin in Daughters of Khaine.

Well that is one right and... Lost count of how many wrong.

Like I said, Hyshian Aelves may very well be the next release, but can this be the one time the internet doesn't misinterpret a fluff blurb as some sort of blood oath from GW?

 NinthMusketeer wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
Heh...and people said exactly that about the Deepkin in Daughters of Khaine.

Well that is one right and... Lost count of how many wrong.

The Tzeentch book talked about Tzeentch having played a part in Slaanesh's capture. This was at a time when people still thought (hilariously) that Slaanesh was getting squatted. It took two years for a Slaanesh book to materialize.

So, confirmation a things exists in the lore is a far cry from that thing being next.

 EnTyme wrote:

Cataphract wrote:
Apparently due to some reveals in the Slaanesh Battletome the next new army to be released for AOS is likely to be from Hysh lead by Teclis.

“...Teclis begins to gather armies of his own. He amasses the martial orders of the Realm of Light, and invokes ancient pacts with the spirits of Hysh to bolster his gleaming warhosts for the new era of conflict to come.”

Is this from one of the newer army books? Older material would have pictured Tyrion in charge of the Hysh offensive, however, Teclis making pacts with the Hysh spirits is interesting and rather fitting. Heh, wonder if he bonded the spirits with the broken souls he got out of Slaanesh, would make interesting things, perhaps this is where the "avatars of reason" come in.

If we're making a wager when they'll appear, put me down in early 2020.