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More terrain pics form Garro's facebook

I simply love the new terrain. Even if it reminds me on a stack of pancakes.

Yup, definitely need those trees. They will add some much needed height variety to my plans. The mangrove style also fits in perfectly.

Really liking the new scenery and it's modularity.

Lovely terrain even in plastic grey.

Sprues and Brews had a few more images of it.

I think I'll have to rebase those trees I get what they are doing I just don't like the effect and individual trees will look even odder.

New terrain looks really nice. Will definitely be picking it up when I can.

I wonder if the new trees will use the forest rules for blocking LoS? Because that would be interesting.

 reds8n wrote:
next month :

Does this mean they're separating warscroll updated from the GHB? I kind of like that idea.

Well, I definitely need whatever kit that armillary sphere comes in.

So mercenaries are apparently narrative only, and they're specific named units like the old dogs of war/regiments of renown.

ecurtz wrote:
Well, I definitely need whatever kit that armillary sphere comes in.

It should be in the Forbidden Power supplement.

 Ghaz wrote:

ecurtz wrote:
Well, I definitely need whatever kit that armillary sphere comes in.

It should be in the Forbidden Power supplement.

That's unfortunate, I thought it was in one of the terrain kits, but thanks for the pointer. I'll head to eBay when it's released.

What the hell.....Looncurse was ..massively under provided for.

My online seller that I pre-odered for didn't get all of theirs(meaning I wont get one) ..and my FLGS had 15 pre-orders..and received

One copy

I get a limited run sure. but ...Not even providing enough for actual pre-orders?

Now I'm all annoyed at GW again...

Yeah it sounds like all the local stores only got a single copy. Even the actual GW store only got a single copy.

Perhaps more are on the way, help up with the Sylvaneth battletome?

 Manfred von Drakken wrote:
Perhaps more are on the way, help up with the Sylvaneth battletome?

I believe they mentioned on Facebook that there were no plans for another production run for Looncurse.

 Manfred von Drakken wrote:
Perhaps more are on the way, help up with the Sylvaneth battletome?

I wish they would, but I doubt it. Carrion Empire sold out on the day preorders went up and they didn't do a second print run of it.

Unless the shipping debacle has something to do with it.

 Manfred von Drakken wrote:
Perhaps more are on the way, help up with the Sylvaneth battletome?

I'm not sure that makes much sense, though the customs thing is confusing anyway, which wasn't helped by the dumb video. (I'm not clear whose customs people held it up, logically China if its affecting distribution to everyone, as there isn't much point to bringing everything to the UK and then shipping it back out again).

But GW's miniatures, unlike books, are made in the UK, not China, so... there isn't any way they'd be part of the same shipment.

For example, my Wrath and Rapture box has 'manufactured in the UK' on the back, but the GS Cult and Gloomspite army books have 'Printed by C&C in China' and 'Printed By APOL in China' on the back. I'd assume it would be the same pattern for Looncurse and the Sylvaneth battletomes.

 cole1114 wrote:
So mercenaries are apparently narrative only, and they're specific named units like the old dogs of war/regiments of renown.

No, they’re in Forbidden Power for matched play, and there’s also rules for them in the GHB for narrative play. And they aren’t named units, but a list of specific units that can be taken (rather than being able to take anything as some people feared). Thematic mercenaries basically, like Fyreslayers.

 EnTyme wrote:

 reds8n wrote:
next month :

Does this mean they're separating warscroll updated from the GHB? I kind of like that idea.

If that's what GW is doing, they're just dropping any pretense and outright ask us to pay for errata now.

 rayphoton wrote:
What the hell.....Looncurse was ..massively under provided for.

My online seller that I pre-odered for didn't get all of theirs(meaning I wont get one) ..and my FLGS had 15 pre-orders..and received

One copy

I get a limited run sure. but ...Not even providing enough for actual pre-orders?

Now I'm all annoyed at GW again...

The bizarre way they're handling battle boxes worries me that, after a few years of respite, some braindead moron is in charge of marketing again. Who in their right mind approves production of a new product whilst also thinking it won't sell?

According to the info from the seminar they massively underestimated how well looncurse would sell. They promised to avoid this in the future, but we will have to wait and see on that l. Sales estimates are always conservative. The points book will come packed with the ghb. The idea is that the points will become invalidated after a year but the contents of the main book will not.

Chikout wrote:
According to the info from the seminar they massively underestimated how well looncurse would sell.

Printing less than 1 copy per store isn't underestimating demand, it's thinking there is no demand at all.

All the past battle boxes have been wildly popular, so whoever did the math on that is a moron.

But the bigger moron is the person who approved production despite thinking there is zero demand for the product.

A good example of underprinting a product with understandable reasons was the Kill Team starter. What happened with Looncurse was not an act of a rational entity.

 lord_blackfang wrote:

Chikout wrote:
According to the info from the seminar they massively underestimated how well looncurse would sell.

Printing less than 1 copy per store isn't underestimating demand, it's thinking there is no demand at all.

All the past battle boxes have been wildly popular, so whoever did the math on that is a moron.

But the bigger moron is the person who approved production despite thinking there is zero demand for the product.

I don't disagree with you, just reporting what was said.

A good example of underprinting a product with understandable reasons was the Kill Team starter. What happened with Looncurse was not an act of a rational entity.

My friend and I called/drove to 4 different game stores in my area yesterday. We found 2 copies between them. Managed to buy 1. The other store forgot to pull the copy for us and sold it before we got there. Thank god we were planning to split the boxes anyway.

 lord_blackfang wrote:

Chikout wrote:
According to the info from the seminar they massively underestimated how well looncurse would sell.

Printing less than 1 copy per store isn't underestimating demand, it's thinking there is no demand at all.

There's a few factors that might be coming to play here:

1) GW sold several of these duel army boxes before such as the one with spacewolves and genestealers; admech and necrons; khorne and slaanesh. Each of those releases was NOT paired with the fast release of their battletomes. In fact the latter two has massive gaps for at least one army within the set before they got their updated Battletome/codex. So it might well be that those boxes showed far slower and more spread out sales because only one half of the box was actually "keen" for the box because they had updated rules, whilst the other half hadn't had the same marketing push that a new set of rules comes with so it wasn't hyped up as much. The result is a display of slower sales.
Now when Carrion Empire and Gloomspit/Sylvanath boxes have come out they've come out either at the same time as the tomes or hot on the heels of them (you can bet sylvanath Tome was intended to be out the week or week after the duel box and its only the container import issue that has held it back). So now we've got two boxes where BOTH halves have a big marketing push in the core army around the same time as the box or after; so suddenly both halves are super popular and it likely results in a massive surge of sales.

A sale surge on its own will snowball as gamers see them running out of stock and will rush to buy the last.This might well mean that numbers based on earlier sales patterns are not reliable because the sale pattern has changed significantly.

2) We don't know if GW produced some boxes long term and some short term nor their overall plans for releasing the individual models within the duel boxes. IT might be that, behind the scenes, they always intended these more recent duel boxes to be smaller production runs with the view that they were releasing them closer together and thus wanted to maximise profits without one box overshadowing another. We'll know this if we start seeing things like the Warlock Bombardier sooner (we now have all the slaanesh and khorne from wrath and rapture on individual sale).

3) we don't know if GW produced one wave of each set or if they've produced several waves of some of the earlier boxes.



So it might not be foolish, there could be clear plans here. Also from GW's point of view a sellout of a short term product (which all the duel boxes are) is a good thing because it means they are not left with stock lingering in stores and wasted investment and it means that the return on their investment is quicker. In addition you don't end up with the situation that we have with wrath and rapture where there are still discount duel boxes competing with the individual new models on sale from those boxes, which possibly has stunted some of the sales of the latter as people buy up what they need from splits of the duel box.
GW wants to balance it so that they've got sales which end within the rough time period that they want them too.




In addition it might be that GW produced more Gloomspite boxes for stores, but that orders ate up the store allocation stock. Remember many stores might have had only 1 copy or less sent for display, but had more copies sent to local gamers on order. So the "store only got 1" but on pre-orders the store might have distributed more. Also don't forget there's no discount for store deliveries over home delivery so many might have pre-ordered from the GW website instead of through their local store. So at a stores catchment area the area might have had a lot of copies even if the store itself didn't.

It could also be that they had to divert some of the production capacity that would have gone to Looncurse to whatever they're going to use to plug the gap the Sylvanth etc holdup has caused,

it looks very much like sprue production is being done in a 'just on time' model now simply because they're scrambling to keep up with demand so a week or two of planned Looncurse kit production not happening is an awful lot of boxes they cant send out

Forbidden Power next weekend:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/05/12/pre-order-preview-forbidden-powergw-homepage-post-2/

 ImAGeek wrote:
Forbidden Power next weekend:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/05/12/pre-order-preview-forbidden-powergw-homepage-post-2/

Also four new scenery sets (the Enduring Stormvault, Timeworn Ruins, Sigmarite Dais and Shattered Temple).

Curious to see if they price Forbidden Power at £45 like Malign Sorcery the book is the same 88 pages but it has only a third of the endless spells. I'm happy to see the Soulscream Bridge has two parts as that could make an interesting terrain piece as well. I wonder if some of the contrast paints were used here particularly the purple smoke.

For the terrain no idea I guess the Enduring Stormvault will be the most expensive AoS terrain kit yet. Might not need to get a Timeworn ruins set if you get the Enduring Stormvault and Sigmarite Dias and spread the columns around. Surprised to see the statue appear in 3 of the sets the Shattered Temple probably didn't need it. The price list should be out tomorrow or Tuesday.