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Hoping Tyrion and Teclis get their army after the great 2.0 Tome consolidation is complete.

 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
I'd be tempted if they went for some skelies along those lines.

GW never really went too deep into Eastern styles for their figures, save for the odd ninja or two back in the day.

Sad if that's the case with the Darkoath. At least we've got WarCry to give us something new to mess with for the time being.

The Cyphers lords have a strong Wuxia influence in them, so it would be cool as a a sign of things to come. I've always thought that elves would be cool with a samurai theme, for example...

 Ghaz wrote:

Carlovonsexron wrote:
sad to see my long awaited darkoaths getting pushed to next year...

Since there's a couple of Fighter Runemarks we haven't seen used yet for Warcry (i.e., Behemoth and Mount) and two more warbands, it makes sense to hold off on a Darkoath battletome if these new units are coming relatively soon so they can be in it.

I'm leaning towards "Mount" being for stuff like Zombie Dragons/Terrorgheists, Chariots, Dragons, etc.

 DaveC wrote:
Warhammer Weekly has some rumours on the new Death Faction and the Ogors. Take with whatever amount of salt for now but from what I've seen before they are usually in the know.

Likely to be released at the same time possibly with a new set? Late October release

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CjN83SE-bLw

Rumours for new Death Faction

- "Mongolian" type aesthetic or at least non European in design
- Skeleton based - new archers and mounted archers kit(s)
- Skeleton Ogor unit

Ogor Rumours

- Resin minis removed
- New Butcher mini - no Cauldron
- Cauldron is now a terrain piece
- Endless spells, Maw, Everwinter Storm, "Floating Meat" spell
- Combined tome with BCR.

Tzeentch is the final battletome this year.

Slaves to Darkness now next year.

That's 4chan rumours, so take with a ton of salt.

Oh. Considering /aosg invents rumors just for fun, the amount of salt i'd suggest is one Carthage's worth.

Oh, 4chan. Just guesses then.

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
Oh, 4chan. Just guesses then.

The Beastclaw Raiders combining with the new one is at least accurate, or was per reports from the AoS Open Day.

 DaveC wrote:
Warhammer Weekly has some rumours on the new Death Faction and the Ogors. Take with whatever amount of salt for now but from what I've seen before they are usually in the know.

Likely to be released at the same time possibly with a new set? Late October release

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CjN83SE-bLw

Rumours for new Death Faction

- "Mongolian" type aesthetic or at least non European in design
- Skeleton based - new archers and mounted archers kit(s)
- Skeleton Ogor unit
.

Some non human undead is long long overdue.

 Mr Morden wrote:

 DaveC wrote:
Warhammer Weekly has some rumours on the new Death Faction and the Ogors. Take with whatever amount of salt for now but from what I've seen before they are usually in the know.

Likely to be released at the same time possibly with a new set? Late October release

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CjN83SE-bLw

Rumours for new Death Faction

- "Mongolian" type aesthetic or at least non European in design
- Skeleton based - new archers and mounted archers kit(s)
- Skeleton Ogor unit
.

Some non human undead is long long overdue.

If they bring in some terra cotta warriors as either constructs or as an opposing forced m all good.

While I'm all in favor of a differently-themed undead group (I have zero interest in the existing gothic-inspired stuff), I'm puzzled at the idea that they would go to Asia for inspiration right now. After all, there's a pre-existing non-gothic undead army that already existed in WFB, doesn't match up with any of the existing themes in AoS, and has always looked visually striking and distinct on the table.

That woukd be the Tomb Kings, of course.

By all means, GW should branch out and away from the boring and tiresome gothic themes. But for the first such army, it would make more sense to go with the one that already has a fan base and existing lore.

They might want some of that sweet, sweet Chinese money. You can trust me when I day they enjoy being pandered to.

I suspect it might also make a good splash in Japan. I also think there's a bunch of Taiwanese people who would love it, so.it makes perfect sense to me as a move to try to expand their market ( if it's even true. )

Can't wait for all the white knights to shriek with delight at 'Mongolian Skeletons' whilst, without irony, claim Tomb Kings were bad because they're 'Egyptian Skeletons'.

For what it's worth, the dark elves appeared to have some East Asian influences in their design. It wasn't something that was frequently commented on, and the designs weren't purely Asian. But the influence was there.

Of course, the only new Dark Elves that we've seen so far - Morathi's Daughters of Khaine - have a strong ancient Greek influence that mostly builds off of elements introduced in the final Dark Elf army book. We still only have the vaguest ideas about how Malekith's group of elves will look.

Carlovonsexron wrote:
They might want some of that sweet, sweet Chinese money. You can trust me when I day they enjoy being pandered to.

I suspect it might also make a good splash in Japan. I also think there's a bunch of Taiwanese people who would love it, so.it makes perfect sense to me as a move to try to expand their market ( if it's even true. )

I thought China had a thing about bones/depictions of death? Or is that only in visual media like video games?

I wouldn't know anything about specific rules regarding depictions of death, but Japanese/influences of horror stuff is as popular there as anywhere, I think.

Are Greenskinz making a come back combined with Gitmob Grots? :0)

 Ghaz wrote:

Carlovonsexron wrote:
sad to see my long awaited darkoaths getting pushed to next year...

Since there's a couple of Fighter Runemarks we haven't seen used yet for Warcry (i.e., Behemoth and Mount) and two more warbands, it makes sense to hold off on a Darkoath battletome if these new units are coming relatively soon so they can be in it.

it appears the eel-riders already have the mount runemark

terry wrote:

 Ghaz wrote:

Carlovonsexron wrote:
sad to see my long awaited darkoaths getting pushed to next year...

Since there's a couple of Fighter Runemarks we haven't seen used yet for Warcry (i.e., Behemoth and Mount) and two more warbands, it makes sense to hold off on a Darkoath battletome if these new units are coming relatively soon so they can be in it.

it appears the eel-riders already have the mount runemark

No, they have the Fly runemark.

 Carnikang wrote:

Carlovonsexron wrote:
They might want some of that sweet, sweet Chinese money. You can trust me when I day they enjoy being pandered to.

I suspect it might also make a good splash in Japan. I also think there's a bunch of Taiwanese people who would love it, so.it makes perfect sense to me as a move to try to expand their market ( if it's even true. )

I thought China had a thing about bones/depictions of death? Or is that only in visual media like video games?

From what I understand, there are no official rules censoring skeletons in games (as in undead skeletons, not just bones), but companies self-censor to avoid the non-existent censorship of "magically moving dead". So...you know, it's not censored because everyone knows it'd be censored.


As for new armies, I did notice that Forbidden Powers mentions Grotbag Scuttlers again in relation to Kharadrons in one short paragraph. And they're capitalized, unlike some other random threats. Obviously it's conjecture, but I'd say it's likely we'll have flying grots at some point.

From what I gather about China its more that most western products/games for that market has to jump through a lot of hoops and investment to ready themselves - translation etc.... and marketing. Then when it comes to the approval board it can be very hit and miss on if something gets in or not. It's not a consistent system that works to rigid guidelines.

Therefore there's an informal block of things that got other products refused entry into the market and skeletons is on that list. So games that want to market there and have an easier time and less risk of refusal often remove/edit/change those components to reduce the potential risk.


I believe its different to releasing in many other countries, even those with strict limits, because many others work with a bit more consistency. We also hear about it more because its such a huge market if you fail to gain entry it can be a massive blow to a company, whilst if you gain entry you've got millions upon millions of potential customers.

 Overread wrote:
From what I gather about China its more that most western products/games for that market has to jump through a lot of hoops and investment to ready themselves - translation etc.... and marketing. Then when it comes to the approval board it can be very hit and miss on if something gets in or not. It's not a consistent system that works to rigid guidelines.

Therefore there's an informal block of things that got other products refused entry into the market and skeletons is on that list. So games that want to market there and have an easier time and less risk of refusal often remove/edit/change those components to reduce the potential risk.


I believe its different to releasing in many other countries, even those with strict limits, because many others work with a bit more consistency. We also hear about it more because its such a huge market if you fail to gain entry it can be a massive blow to a company, whilst if you gain entry you've got millions upon millions of potential customers.

Yep, this is pretty much spot on. The board is very strict about what they will allow a western publisher to bring into Chinese markets. Basically a company will go through a pruning system where they will remove what is deemed "problematic" and then submit it to the board. They will then accept or refuse it and it is back to the cutting board.

The strange thing about all of this is that once your product is approved you can add skeletons and skulls into it later as an addition as the review thing is not something that is ongoing unless that's been changed recently.

I can take or leave Mongolian skeletons, but it would be nice to see non-human skeletons come true. Especially ogres and other medium sized stuff that has traditionally been left out.

Even if these rumors are false, I wonder how a snowstorm endless spell from GW would turn out looking. I hope ogres get something like that. Could be fun and have other applications. I really liked the skeleton bridge in that regard that can easily be used as moody terrain instead.

Cronch wrote:

 Carnikang wrote:

Carlovonsexron wrote:
They might want some of that sweet, sweet Chinese money. You can trust me when I day they enjoy being pandered to.

I suspect it might also make a good splash in Japan. I also think there's a bunch of Taiwanese people who would love it, so.it makes perfect sense to me as a move to try to expand their market ( if it's even true. )

I thought China had a thing about bones/depictions of death? Or is that only in visual media like video games?

From what I understand, there are no official rules censoring skeletons in games (as in undead skeletons, not just bones), but companies self-censor to avoid the non-existent censorship of "magically moving dead". So...you know, it's not censored because everyone knows it'd be censored.


As for new armies, I did notice that Forbidden Powers mentions Grotbag Scuttlers again in relation to Kharadrons in one short paragraph. And they're capitalized, unlike some other random threats. Obviously it's conjecture, but I'd say it's likely we'll have flying grots at some point.

Phil Kelly mentioned both the Grotbag Scuttlers and some kind of airborne Skaven the other day on the Warhammer Live stream, in relation to KO in Chamon. The way he said it made me take note, because it sounded like they’ve been working on their lore.

I would love a grotbag scuttlers army

 Eldarsif wrote:

 Overread wrote:
From what I gather about China its more that most western products/games for that market has to jump through a lot of hoops and investment to ready themselves - translation etc.... and marketing. Then when it comes to the approval board it can be very hit and miss on if something gets in or not. It's not a consistent system that works to rigid guidelines.

Therefore there's an informal block of things that got other products refused entry into the market and skeletons is on that list. So games that want to market there and have an easier time and less risk of refusal often remove/edit/change those components to reduce the potential risk.


I believe its different to releasing in many other countries, even those with strict limits, because many others work with a bit more consistency. We also hear about it more because its such a huge market if you fail to gain entry it can be a massive blow to a company, whilst if you gain entry you've got millions upon millions of potential customers.

Yep, this is pretty much spot on. The board is very strict about what they will allow a western publisher to bring into Chinese markets. Basically a company will go through a pruning system where they will remove what is deemed "problematic" and then submit it to the board. They will then accept or refuse it and it is back to the cutting board.

The strange thing about all of this is that once your product is approved you can add skeletons and skulls into it later as an addition as the review thing is not something that is ongoing unless that's been changed recently.

It honestly strikes me as the kind of system whereby approval or rejection can be based on the impression of one or two power players within the board or just the luck of the draw on who reviews the content on a particular day. When you've got hit and miss themes that can be rejected but also approved without question with no set pattern it suggests some kind of internal issue. It also suggests a potential corruption within the system which might be outside parties paying extra to get approval or even just internal politics and powerplay within the board. Who knows (save the board); but suffice it to say that if GW can get in there then clearly skulls can't be all that bad!

Carlovonsexron wrote:
They might want some of that sweet, sweet Chinese money. You can trust me when I day they enjoy being pandered to.

I suspect it might also make a good splash in Japan. I also think there's a bunch of Taiwanese people who would love it, so.it makes perfect sense to me as a move to try to expand their market ( if it's even true. )

Winner winner chicken dinner!

If they do make a move towards a Death-Terracotta-style army, I'm all in. Of course, since I already have a TON of Watchful I TC warriors...and more coming from Zenit...I suspect I would be in for Characters and unique stuff only.

And scenery. I would love to see some Chinese GW-touched scenery.

I would be cautious about taking a rumored theme at face value. Remember when the Deepkin were first rumored as being "Cthulhu Elves"? If anything, their actual aesthetic is a mixture of Chinese and Greek. The rumored undead army has already gone from Mongol Skeletons to Terra Cotta Mummies in two pages.

Kanluwen wrote:

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
Oh, 4chan. Just guesses then.

The Beastclaw Raiders combining with the new one is at least accurate, or was per reports from the AoS Open Day.

Blind squirrels and broken clocks, Kan. Blind squirrels and broken clocks.

Arbitrator wrote:Can't wait for all the white knights to shriek with delight at 'Mongolian Skeletons' whilst, without irony, claim Tomb Kings were bad because they're 'Egyptian Skeletons'.

. . . what are you even talking about?

Grotbag Scuttlers will definitely be a thing. They were first name dropped back when KO hit, and have since made numerous cameos. Forbidden power fluff and a few other sources have put Skryre as a/the third "sky ship" faction. I would expect we see them both in the next few years.

I don't know about skyship factions. Almost makes me feel that with skyships and walking cities GW is gearing up for Warmaster AoS style. Esp when factions like skaven have such a huge roster already that needs updating but also gives them practically every tool they need.

Plus the way the realms are pretty much any faction can have a story reason to steal or use airships. Even Flesh Eaters. Some of it is stuff GW might amke into models; the rest is just ideas for conversions.