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 Crimson wrote:
The Ossiarch Bonereapers prove that GWs artistic vision and technical skill are better than ever, and that people who compare them to cartoons have no clue of what they are talking about.

Such a comment only prove that you're utterly ignorant when it comes to aesthetic and stylistic influence

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
It seems like people either like them or hate for the most part.

So what you’re saying is, they’re actually made from frozen marmite?

 Crimson wrote:
The Ossiarch Bonereapers prove that GWs artistic vision and technical skill are better than ever, and that people who compare them to cartoons have no clue of what they are talking about.

This is sarcasm right... if not, are you honestly saying that models that have their inspiration from the stupid clown grin of the original Nagash are proof that GW's skill is better than ever?

Skeletons wearing bone could look great, these look idiotic.

When thinking of a bone construct, I imagine something more along the lines of the artistic endeavours found in e.g. the Sedleg Ossuary in Prague; a collection of bones arranged in a creative manner to make something different (here a chandelier, in a fantasy wargame some interesting death-dealing monstrous warrior creation).
By no longer having recognizable bones in there, you firstly lose the clear intention that these are indeed bones. Plenty of interesting things could be made out of regular bones, especially when incorporating those of ogres, dragons and other fantasy creatures. In addition, if the bone is just raw material that can be moulded into whatever shapes are desired, the ones we see don't seem very logical, retaining organic-looking ridges and points that have no use in their new function.

Besides, you'd think GW would be all over an excuse to incorporate 20 skulls into a single miniature.

I really like the look of the Reapers, but I think paint schemes other than bone will will the way to go. Leave Deathrattle to be 'natural' bone.

I'm thinking this release has finally cured me of my Death addiction. Looks like it's time to explore the other alliances.

I'm pretty sure there will be more color schemes in the battletome.

Otherwise, we have people saying "I like them" or "I don't like them", with subjective criterias in majority. So that's pretty much it, no need to take them as gospel.

If the Ossiarch's background is to be undead constructs made for war, I think I would like them to go the full concept's way rather than keeping humanoid shapes. For example, I believe their cavalry would look awesome as centaur-like knights - the rider's torso fused with their mount, everything lead by the souls infused inside. It wouldn't be just an undead centaur, but one clearly built out of bones from multiple beings. You could have a centaur with hooves, another with claw, or even gryph-beast talons, and so on. Or maybe something nightmarish like skeletons with upper torso as the limbs of the mount, like the Raging Heroes models in the following spoiler but made of only bones :



Could have been something really disturbing, undead-ish and truly made for war. Guess that's why I'm most fond of the Stalkers and the catapult, that gives that vibe to me more than the others.

oh my god, those elves are the funniest models I've seen in ages. Look how my mighty leg-humans flop around!

 Crimson wrote:
So is there some Saturday morning cartoon drawn by H. R. Giger that I am not aware of? Because that is the only way people constantly making that reference would make sense.

Rofl the only Giger in these is the bits of Nids they included.

SeanDrake wrote:

 Crimson wrote:
So is there some Saturday morning cartoon drawn by H. R. Giger that I am not aware of? Because that is the only way people constantly making that reference would make sense.

Rofl the only Giger in these is the bits of Nids they included.

Giger made Aliens. One generation of Nids was inspired by Aliens. A different generation of Nids had goofy 4 armed gaks. Ossiarchs have goofy 4 armed gaks. There, connection in just 4 steps.

 streetsamurai wrote:

 Crimson wrote:
The Ossiarch Bonereapers prove that GWs artistic vision and technical skill are better than ever, and that people who compare them to cartoons have no clue of what they are talking about.

Such a comment only prove that you're utterly ignorant when it comes to aesthetic and stylistic influence

Stay chill peeps, everyone can have an opinion, no need to be rude to anyone about what they think. I really like them myself, I can’t wait to see the rest of the line and for their release.

I’m going to paint them all quite pale, like the leader, but do the segmented armour parts in glossy black and add some gold trims, leaving the cloth the aqua green. Think that’ll really push the Giger influences and shove back any part of it that resembles anything a little childish. That said I like that there’s a bit of fun cartooniness in there myself, it’s a game of toys after all.

EDIT: an example of this scheme is on these Necrons I painted. Pretty much just going to replicate this on these bros, as I don’t have the Necrons anymore.

 streetsamurai wrote:

 Crimson wrote:
The Ossiarch Bonereapers prove that GWs artistic vision and technical skill are better than ever, and that people who compare them to cartoons have no clue of what they are talking about.

Such a comment only prove that you're utterly ignorant when it comes to aesthetic and stylistic influence

Considering that you fail to see the obvious influences of Giger and Barlowe and instead get stuck to idiotic 'skull face = Skeletor' association it should be pretty obvious which of us is failing their art history check.

 Crimson wrote:

 streetsamurai wrote:

 Crimson wrote:
The Ossiarch Bonereapers prove that GWs artistic vision and technical skill are better than ever, and that people who compare them to cartoons have no clue of what they are talking about.

Such a comment only prove that you're utterly ignorant when it comes to aesthetic and stylistic influence

Considering that you fail to see the obvious influences of Giger and Barlowe and instead get stuck to idiotic 'skull face = Skeletor' association it should be pretty obvious which of us is failing their art history check.

Maybe you both should checkout Dakkadakka rule 1.

Also if you don’t like what the other one says, just ignore them.

I see influences from multiple areas. I’m not sold on them yet as usual, it usually takes someone besides the GW art directors take to make or break an army to me, so I’ll have to wait to see what happens to these guys when they get released.

I wonder how good those shields would be on the Bonereaper troops. I forget that necrons have some cool stuff like that .

I think that Boner Kings look like Mantic tried to make Rackham models. If we had seen them few years ago, we wouldn't have guessed they were GW models.

I don't love or hate the models, I just think that they are bit weird. However, I can't wait to see hobbyists' take on the models. I might even pick some of them myself if the prices aren't BSF level insulting. Contrast paints should work nicely on the models.

I am actually thinking of getting some Stalkers for my Legion of Night army (if possible) and I am toying doing them in old school Tomb King color scheme, yellowish bone and armor in bright turquoise.

 Overread wrote:
I wonder how good those shields would be on the Bonereaper troops. I forget that necrons have some cool stuff like that .

GW should hire you. You'll fit right in forgetting about Necrons and their cool stuff.

I'm thinking a lot will depend on the size of the Ossies. Necron shields are pretty tall. Was it here or in the Nova thread that someone said these guys are bigger than Sigmarines? That would certainly help if true. If they match normal skeleton warriors, the Necron shield just wouldn't work.

 Crimson wrote:

 streetsamurai wrote:

 Crimson wrote:
The Ossiarch Bonereapers prove that GWs artistic vision and technical skill are better than ever, and that people who compare them to cartoons have no clue of what they are talking about.

Such a comment only prove that you're utterly ignorant when it comes to aesthetic and stylistic influence

Considering that you fail to see the obvious influences of Giger and Barlowe and instead get stuck to idiotic 'skull face = Skeletor' association it should be pretty obvious which of us is failing their art history check.

It is a bit more than 'skull face = Skeletor'... They are made from bones yet are bulky, to the point of looking like the body obscenity that was common in He-Man.
Some of the models have several faces on one head, and an additional set of limbs that look to be connected in a very slap dash approach. Again, something that we saw in he-man.
The model are meant to be bone constructs, yet have noses, and have very few parts that look like bone, other than being painted as bone.
The grins are far more than that which is common on skulls, this fall's very much into the category of being cartoony.

I understand that you like them, and don't Iike that people think that they are some of the worst models that GW have made since the Razorgore. However that doesn't stop them looking like something out of a kids cartoon.

Giger's work is far more than just overlapping segments and organic/mechanical images. His work has a very deep context... of which there is none in these. Hence why it is erroneous to describe Giger as being an influence of these Saturday morning cartoon figures.

It is this:



Combined with this:



And this:



Of course they're toy soldiers, but that's the core of the aesthetic.

Crimson... it really isn't. Those three things are interesting and don't have a cartoony look that the GW models have.

I will admit that the 4 armed models may have a slight Hinduism influence, however it is simply lost under the noise of the model. The execution looks comical and laughable. As someone who is fascinated by the Hindu faith, I would love to see a model range that draws inspiration from that faith. These simply do not.

You guys don’t really need to convince each other. Just let each other have a differing opinion.

I can see some Giger vibes going on, and I can see some cartoony fun going on too. You can almost certainly shift either of these tones towards whichever one you fancy more with how you do the colour scheme.

Some people are going to like them, others are going to hate them, just depends on what you see in them.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/09/01/coming-soon-legends-monsters-mercenaries/

... rest of warcry & gotrek

So GW its too soon to talk about Cities or Orruks but you did talk about Monsters and Adventurers and low and behold its the first thing from the Nova we see being released

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/09/01/coming-soon-legends-monsters-mercenaries/

Bit of a marketing gaff there! That said I'm very pleased to see these things coming!



First up we've got GOTREK the model for AoS (complete with squished skaven base); along with the written version of Realmslayer, a full new novel (his first for AoS) and a new audio story read by Brian Gotrek Blessed. I believe and earlier article mentioned that the Realmslayer book was going to have some general extra content in it too so it could well be a very shiny week to pick up some great books and stories!



Then there's the new book for Warcry! But that's not all. Iron Golems, Untambed Beasts and the Furies and Raptors are coming in their own boxes next week. Plus they've repacked the chimera with rules for Warcry (repacked version likely won't appear till the pre-orders go up so the one currently for sale is likely still the regular version). It might be prudent to hold off beast purchases too as they might repack one or two others. There's also options for taking things like Terrorgasts and more into your forces! Sounding very exciting and going up against things like dragons in a warband on warband on dragon setting is JUST what I was hoping from the game!  

The last Gotrek drama was a lot of fun. Definetly getting the new one, and probably the book as well.

The new Gotrek is a gorgeous model! The base is a bit busy, but aside from that it is great. GW's Dwarfs have come a long way from when the models didn't have knees.

I want to turn him into a Piratical dwarf. Wonder how hard that shoulder pad will be to remove?

How is the new warcry terrain for value? I want to start collecting some AOS terrain, and the warcry starter box terrain (and I guess this newly announced box) really caught my eye.

 Tiberius501 wrote:
You guys don’t really need to convince each other. Just let each other have a differing opinion.

I can see some Giger vibes going on, and I can see some cartoony fun going on too. You can almost certainly shift either of these tones towards whichever one you fancy more with how you do the colour scheme.

Some people are going to like them, others are going to hate them, just depends on what you see in them.

This. It seems to me like a lot of people here are blurring subjective and objective. It's ok to like them or hate them, seriously.

The new mortarch looks interesting, possibly a nice base model for a C'tan conversion. Really like the henchmen on his base and the diorama-style as well.

The rest of the releases range from passable to hideous.

balmong7 wrote:
How is the new warcry terrain for value? I want to start collecting some AOS terrain, and the warcry starter box terrain (and I guess this newly announced box) really caught my eye.

It's a little hard to tell but the new set looks like the Azyrite Townscape plus one of the small sprues from the Timeworn Ruins. Probably not a savings on the actual terrain so much as getting the board and cards for "free" if you play Warcry as well.