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Hot Damn, those new sculpts are awesome.

The new Warcry models are sweet too!

@HMBC Quite possibly. Your first box is a picnic basket of lovely models...but folks will be less likely to load up on multiple boxes, instead (or GW hopes) moving onto multi part kits. This is guesswork on my part.

Some nice new models there. Chaos wins, at least in fantasy.

I don't quite like the detailed eyes under the helms (that's going to be a pain to paint), but those are very very nice models, a welcome relief from the monopose warriors.

And the formorian, ogre and llama-sphinx are great additions to the chaos line as well (though I don't really like the alternate head to the llama-sphinx).

That they're in a Start Collecting, all together... that's really tempting, and a huge surprise given how things have been going the last couple months.

Best preview, may well buy in.

Obispudkenobi wrote:

Ally Morrison spoke about this exact thing on the Storm cast pod cast a few weeks /months back, about how restrictive sculpting for Warhammer fantasy was due to rank and file , I believe chaos knights were mentioned or at least hinted at as difficult due to the size on the models Vs the base size

It was a definite problem assembling and ranking them. You had to very carefully position each horse on the bases (and in a specific order) to get them to rank up at all. Unlike the warriors, the old knights were great models, but they were problematic.

I'd remind people that Reapers don't have any inter-mingled models. Granted they don't have a Start Collecting set, but they don't have any intermingled sprues.

So we don't know at all if those models are going to be placed on the same sprue or not for the new Chaos Start Collecting set. I would think it odd for GW to go back to than when its burned them in the past (all that money spend on Island of Blood moulds - all those sculpts now lost)

They seem to have taken the lesson not to intermix different factions on the same sprues.

 Insane Ivan wrote:
Are those the first actual horses sculpted for AoS?

Nope there not horses they are likely sesroh

These new Chaos Warriors are being released as a start collecting set, witch makes me think this is going to be shadow spear monopose models.

For a moment I was really excited that a new Chaos Warrior kit might include halberds and Great weapons in plastic. But then realized that is probably not the case.

The warriors come with different head options at least (can see them on the back of the box), so it's not beyond the realms of possibility that they might get some weapon options

I'm just hoping the new warriors/knights (etc) match the scale of the old ones

Now if they would just replace the marauders

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
And here we see the design advantage of AoS over WHFB. Simply, you can sculpt models to look Fighty, rather than Ranky.

That these are absolute amazing is just a significant bonus!

The only problem there being if you need a lot of them in your army, you end up with loads of guys all striking exactly the same set of 10 poses, which is more noticeable to my eye when all those poses are unique and action-y than if it's just blocks of blokes all marching.

Anyway, I hope they're still a bit Ranky, because those new Warriors will make excellent Chosen providing you can stand them in a couple of lines on 25mm squares without looking daft.

Like all the AoS releases that broadly stick to the classic faction aesthetics, they're very nice. In fact the only thing I dislike about them is now I'll have to completely rework my hobby spending to move next year's planned Chaos purchases forward just in case the classic Knights & Warriors vanish.

Do we think the other STD stuff will be getting reboxes and going back into regular circulation? I'm wavering on whether I need to grab an extra Chariot and a Warshrine now with the small discount third party stores can give on Direct Only items, or if they'd end up being cheaper even after the inevitable price increase that would accompany a rebox/rerelease.

I’d almost say get what you can now before it (might) disappear and/or (almost certainly) go up in price.

 Marshal Loss wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:

 Marshal Loss wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:

 Marshal Loss wrote:
DAMN. Was not expecting all this. OK, count me in GW. It is time for me to get a STD

Eh, phrasing?

....that was the joke

Sure...

Talk about a lost cause

Well I thought it was clear it was a joke considering ‘time for me to get a Slaves To Darkness’ doesn't make sense, only the shortened format (making it funny)..

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Those look very cool.

But... they're all going to inter mingled on a single big sprue (or two sprues). These are like the Vanguard and Shadowspear Chaos minis, right?

This is the future of Start Collecting! boxes. Unique minis that exist only in that box, and aren't even multi-part in GW's current limited multi-part manner?

Dont see why they would waste the sprue budget. All 10 warriors and 5 knights are unique, no sets of twins that would mean a doubled sprue. Most of the starter style have paired sprues with a mix of basic troops, then a third unique sprue for the unit leaders and specialist.

That’s a good point.

I’m with HBMC too though - I want more multi-part variety!

 Lockark wrote:
These new Chaos Warriors are being released as a start collecting set, witch makes me think this is going to be shadow spear monopose models.

For a moment I was really excited that a new Chaos Warrior kit might include halberds and Great weapons in plastic. But then realized that is probably not the case.

How many SC’s have been a bunch of ShadowSpear monopose models? None I know of.
(Obviously some sets, like SS or the AoS ones, have been made into SC boxes, but that’s ontinuing purpose).

I mean for sure they could be like the Death Guard and many other kits that are limited options and funny stick together set ups etc.
But I doubt it is monopose like a starter box.


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I don’t know why you’re convinced the SC boxes are going that way now, just because two have come out that’s making use of a set that was like it (I mean why waste the mould).

They did that with the AoS starter Khorne and Stormcast, yet loads of SC have come out since with the normal kits etc..

 usernamesareannoying wrote:
Now if they would just replace the marauders

I'm leaning toward the Warcry bands being the marauder replacements.
Unless there is another reveal soon.

Frankly, they could do with more characters and monsters. The webstore section for StD is pretty thin, and a fair number of those entries are redundant or pointless with the new kits, or old and not looking so good.
About the only kit I'd keep from the old range are the marauder horsemen.

To quote Albus Dumbledore: This is beyond anything I could have imagined. I'm not sure that the Knights kit really needed an update, but I'm not going to complain. I'm not even mad that I already have 40 fully-painted Chaos Warriors that will soon be replaced. This all looks incredible!

usernamesareannoying wrote:Now if they would just replace the marauders

I swear I'm the only one who actually likes the old marauder kit.

 Lockark wrote:
These new Chaos Warriors are being released as a start collecting set, witch makes me think this is going to be shadow spear monopose models.

They 100% will be. And I think that's the way Start Collecting!'s will go from now on.

Damned shame, especially considering what Battleforces used to be...

Those multi-pose bonereapers in the most recent box set release certainly speak to a continuing* trend towards exclusively mono-build releases.

*Fictional

Seriously guys, it's one preview image. There will be plenty of time to criticize posing once we actually know what the posing is!

I'm so happy slaves to darkness is coming! Its finally a main game release* that I can look forward to!

*Not that I actually play...


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 usernamesareannoying wrote:
Now if they would just replace the marauders

Who knows if it will be sooner than later, but I would bet that the Dark Oaths time will come, and when they do they will replace the marauder and marauder horsemen.

I'll be happy, save that I think the marauder horseman kit has some of my favorite heads and spearheads in the whole GW catalogue. (I dislike the rest of the kit, but I will miss those elements dearly when it finally bites the dust)

Ok. I'm all over for those Warriors.

But I'm 50/50 for the Knights. Poses are great, but I still like the previous cavalry armour a lot more. Also, those lances are a no-no for me.

Also also, no banners, no musician? Wonder which rules they will change. Hoope we still have all the weapons options.

I don't like the new CL head. Hope there is an additional head option. But what makes the news for me is that bloody Chaos dewback. Can't wait to see SW conversions.

Really? I like the lances. They actually look like fantasy lances that I've been seeing in D&D books for the last 30 years, rather than short sticks with a little bit of metal stuck on the end.

(or the full swords somehow jammed on a pole, which the previous knights had (or the halberds that were for some reason called lances).

While I did like the old chaos steeds, the knights themselves had those silly glue-on pauldrons with no real connection points, and just a solid block of metal with no real articulation.

 CMLR wrote:


I don't like the new CL head. Hope there is an additional head option. .

Theres a photo with a helmet option.

The spear-tip lance is atrocious., a normal lance would be too flat for the sculptor, so he put a spear tip there instead.

The classic glaives on Chaos knight would be fine.

They are push fit I'm told by someone at the seminar.

Voss wrote:
Really? I like the lances. They actually look like fantasy lances that I've been seeing in D&D books for the last 30 years, rather than short sticks with a little bit of metal stuck on the end.

(or the full swords somehow jammed on a pole, which the previous knights had (or the halberds that were for some reason called lances).

While I did like the old chaos steeds, the knights themselves had those silly glue-on pauldrons with no real connection points, and just a solid block of metal with no real articulation.

I just don't find Chaos Knights as fond of jousting as the EMpire or Brets.

 jake wrote:

 CMLR wrote:


I don't like the new CL head. Hope there is an additional head option. .

Theres a photo with a helmet option.

Lmao, totally missed it.

I'm a bit worried about prices, tho.

- Chaos Knights were in packs of 5 in 8E. Then they are in packs of 10 since AoS at the same price (or almost, I don't really remember. I do remember Bloodcrushers came in packs of 3, now on 6, and cost exactly the same, which is a real good deal). Are they going to cost more now for half the packages now? because the picture has only 5, and while the SC! bundle has also 5, I wonder if we are going to see them sold separetly on 5s.
- Chaos Warriors are in packs of 16, 12 in the current SC!. Now they seem to come in 10s, and I am quite certain that they will come on packs of 10 from now on. I'm assuming that they will cost the same because they want to justify the dynamic poses.
- So am I only going to get my Chariots and Sorcerers via online store?

 CMLR wrote:

Voss wrote:
Really? I like the lances. They actually look like fantasy lances that I've been seeing in D&D books for the last 30 years, rather than short sticks with a little bit of metal stuck on the end.

(or the full swords somehow jammed on a pole, which the previous knights had (or the halberds that were for some reason called lances).

While I did like the old chaos steeds, the knights themselves had those silly glue-on pauldrons with no real connection points, and just a solid block of metal with no real articulation.

I just don't find Chaos Knights as fond of jousting as the EMpire or Brets.

 jake wrote:

 CMLR wrote:


I don't like the new CL head. Hope there is an additional head option. .

Theres a photo with a helmet option.

Lmao, totally missed it.

I'm a bit worried about prices, tho.

- Chaos Knights were in packs of 5 in 8E. Then they are in packs of 10 since AoS at the same price (or almost, I don't really remember. I do remember Bloodcrushers came in packs of 3, now on 6, and cost exactly the same, which is a real good deal). Are they going to cost more now for half the packages now? because the picture has only 5, and while the SC! bundle has also 5, I wonder if we are going to see them sold separetly on 5s.
- Chaos Warriors are in packs of 16, 12 in the current SC!. Now they seem to come in 10s, and I am quite certain that they will come on packs of 10 from now on. I'm assuming that they will cost the same because they want to justify the dynamic poses.
- So am I only going to get my Chariots and Sorcerers via online store?

I think they’re only going to be sold in the Start Collecting as Shadowspear esque monopose models. The leaked release list only has the start collecting.

So does this mean we expect a range of full kits to be coming out early next year? I've got no issue with what the box is offering, but surely that couldn't be it then?

Umbros wrote:

They are push fit I'm told by someone at the seminar.

This would be unfortunate.

I should say, pushfit in the same manner as Shadowspear's models are