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Umbros wrote:
I should say, pushfit in the same manner as Shadowspear's models are

So monopose, not pushfit. Although it’s functionally the same result.

I just hope that the SC won't be price hiked. I can use everything in it, even multiples of it. The leader dude can be mounted on a "toad dragon" hatchling for my Order of the Fly army. Better rules for knights and Varanguard, please, plus third mounted non-wizzard leader choice (= new guy) being good and I'd be a very happy camper. Possibly archers for StD so I can use mine without using Ungor rules -> perfection.

PS: And to get greedy Chaos dragon rules outside compendium rules...once I build my zombie dragon-as-Nurgle-dragon I don't really want to use him as just a Manticore, but not as Archaon, either.

 Binabik15 wrote:
I just hope that the SC won't be price hiked. I can use everything in it, even multiples of it. The leader dude can be mounted on a "toad dragon" hatchling for my Order of the Fly army. Better rules for knights and Varanguard, please, plus third mounted non-wizzard leader choice (= new guy) being good and I'd be a very happy camper. Possibly archers for StD so I can use mine without using Ungor rules -> perfection.

PS: And to get greedy Chaos dragon rules outside compendium rules...once I build my zombie dragon-as-Nurgle-dragon I don't really want to use him as just a Manticore, but not as Archaon, either.

From the leaked price list it’s the same as the most expensive SC sets currently from what I recall (£60).

 ImAGeek wrote:

 Binabik15 wrote:
I just hope that the SC won't be price hiked. I can use everything in it, even multiples of it. The leader dude can be mounted on a "toad dragon" hatchling for my Order of the Fly army. Better rules for knights and Varanguard, please, plus third mounted non-wizzard leader choice (= new guy) being good and I'd be a very happy camper. Possibly archers for StD so I can use mine without using Ungor rules -> perfection.

PS: And to get greedy Chaos dragon rules outside compendium rules...once I build my zombie dragon-as-Nurgle-dragon I don't really want to use him as just a Manticore, but not as Archaon, either.

From the leaked price list it’s the same as the most expensive SC sets currently from what I recall (£60).

That's 55€ from Wayland, losing the chariot (I have two) and foot sorc, gaining the lizzard lord and much better CWs for 5€ more. That's surprisingly ok. The lower price band would have been even better, but, eh, better thanmno new models at all. Or Varanguard priceing I'll stick with conversions for those, especially now that Bonedudes have 5 big knights for a decent price to steal horsies from. If CWs get a full kit 20 for the same price as the new skellis would be too much to as for, no?

Honestly looking at the size of the lord the £60 sounds pretty fair for the SC. You get a nice body of warriors and knights and a powerful large lord.

The only question I've got that I kinda hope GW answers is if the lord on manticore is going to vanish. I wouldn't have thought so but they have just removed things like high elf dragons which were another "surely GW would never" removal.

This very blurry picture confirms that there will be head options and an option for the knight leader to take a Lance.
Although it does look like the kits are monopose they all seem to be completely unique which is better than the shadowspear sets. I couldn't see any doubling up of legs or bodies.

Do we have an idea of release date for the chaos warriors?

Does anyone else cringe at the sight of one of the new knights being connected to the base only by a single hoof? Good god, it's not even just one model, but 4 of them (the fifth gets the addition of the very edge of the other hoof).

The warriors looks great, updated to be more three-dimensional and action-posed, and I agree that the Lord is a nice balance to the Stormcast on Dracoth.

I wonder who will be next to get one of these new style SC sets? DoK could really do with a non Morathi hero that's not part of the Cauldron of Blood kit. But this StD box shows that GW are willing to replace an existing set.

Umbros wrote:
Do we have an idea of release date for the chaos warriors?

Slaves to Darkness Battletome, Endless Spells, The Start Collecting and (presumed) Warcry warband reboxes for AoS are released on the 14th of December according to the leaked release list. Anything else will likely be next year.

Chikout wrote:
This very blurry picture confirms that there will be head options and an option for the knight leader to take a Lance.
Although it does look like the kits are monopose they all seem to be completely unique which is better than the shadowspear sets. I couldn't see any doubling up of legs or bodies.

Ah this is great and good enough for me. 2 boxes and I can make 2 units of 10 warriors and a unit of 10 knights with 1 leader. I am sold.

 DaveC wrote:

Umbros wrote:
Do we have an idea of release date for the chaos warriors?

Slaves to Darkness Battletome, Endless Spells, The Start Collecting and (presumed) Warcry warband reboxes for AoS are released on the 14th of December according to the leaked release list. Anything else will likely be next year.

The Start Collecting is all the new models we saw yesterday.

GoatboyBeta wrote:
I wonder who will be next to get one of these new style SC sets? DoK could really do with a non Morathi hero that's not part of the Cauldron of Blood kit. But this StD box shows that GW are willing to replace an existing set.

Cities of Sigmar / Free People would be a good one, or a faction that needs a boost like Kharadron Overlords.

GoatboyBeta wrote:
I wonder who will be next to get one of these new style SC sets? DoK could really do with a non Morathi hero that's not part of the Cauldron of Blood kit. But this StD box shows that GW are willing to replace an existing set.

Call it wishful thinking, but I'd be hoping for Seraphon. One of the oldest battletomes in the system, and perfect for a reworking on this level - Saurus need bigger and bulkier miniatures, Saurus Knights are in dire need of models that actually fit together, and a mounted Scar Veteran wouldn't go unappreciated. Don't know if Slaves to Darkness will be getting anything more (I hope for full kits at least), but from there it'd just be the Kroxigor and Salamanders/Razordon that need attention before Seraphon would be in one of the best conditions of all the factions. Throw in some Endless Spells, and GW could comfortably ignore them for another five years with minimal complaint.

I wonder if the price increase on the Warcry bands is because they're included in the Slaves of Darkness tome? Maybe they'll get extra sprues, since I can't imagine how their unit compositions will work, given that they have access to some weapon options.

Tim the Biovore wrote:

Call it wishful thinking, but I'd be hoping for Seraphon. One of the oldest battletomes in the system, and perfect for a reworking on this level - Saurus need bigger and bulkier miniatures, Saurus Knights are in dire need of models that actually fit together, and a mounted Scar Veteran wouldn't go unappreciated. Don't know if Slaves to Darkness will be getting anything more (I hope for full kits at least), but from there it'd just be the Kroxigor and Salamanders/Razordon that need attention before Seraphon would be in one of the best conditions of all the factions. Throw in some Endless Spells, and GW could comfortably ignore them for another five years with minimal complaint.

I'm hoping for redone lizardmen mysefl!

GaroRobe wrote:
I wonder if the price increase on the Warcry bands is because they're included in the Slaves of Darkness tome? Maybe they'll get extra sprues, since I can't imagine how their unit compositions will work, given that they have access to some weapon options.

I am hoping they will actually have a battle role/slot and the like, because I'm gonna field a whole mess of Unmade.

Because they're absolutely mental. I love those models.

You guys do know they have warscrolls already, right?

They do have warscrolls, but they need new ones, especially with the way the kits are set up for alternate models.

That an Iron Golem unit of 32 models must have 4 signifiers is rather ridiculous, especially as the alternate build looks better (IMO) & adds more variety, plus the multiple signifiers don't actually _do_ anything.
There are similar problems in some of the other bands as well.

I’m still not convinced SC sets are all going monopose sets.

I don’t think we can base that on existing moulds getting repurposed into SCs (which is a good cheap use of the sprues, so why not).
But maybe I’m wrong..

 Tim the Biovore wrote:

GoatboyBeta wrote:
I wonder who will be next to get one of these new style SC sets? DoK could really do with a non Morathi hero that's not part of the Cauldron of Blood kit. But this StD box shows that GW are willing to replace an existing set.

Call it wishful thinking, but I'd be hoping for Seraphon. One of the oldest battletomes in the system, and perfect for a reworking on this level - Saurus need bigger and bulkier miniatures, Saurus Knights are in dire need of models that actually fit together, and a mounted Scar Veteran wouldn't go unappreciated. Don't know if Slaves to Darkness will be getting anything more (I hope for full kits at least), but from there it'd just be the Kroxigor and Salamanders/Razordon that need attention before Seraphon would be in one of the best conditions of all the factions. Throw in some Endless Spells, and GW could comfortably ignore them for another five years with minimal complaint.

This. Who doesn't love dinosaurs riding dinosaurs? I just converted some of the new Blood Bowl Lizzies into Saurus Guard. The new models are huge compared to the older ones. I've been rather irritated with small skinny lizzies and have been buying third-party replacements that are bigger until GW redoes them. My feeling is there might be drastic changes though and the Seraphon morph into something more fantastical and easier to copyright.

Danny76 wrote:
I’m still not convinced SC sets are all going monopose sets.

I don’t think we can base that on existing moulds getting repurposed into SCs (which is a good cheap use of the sprues, so why not).
But maybe I’m wrong..

The SC! that used to be the two halves of the first AoS Starting Set are all monopose/pushfit.

Isn't that literally the situation Danny is describing? They already had a mold, so decided to make an SC kit out of it. They didn't design those molds to be used as an SC. As far as I can tell, we've yet to see GW design a sprue of monopose models to be an SC kit. Even these at least have new head options. It's actually far more likely these units are designed like the Bloodreavers and Kairic Acolytes, which is to say they are mostly standardized poses with a few weapon and head options.

 EnTyme wrote:
Isn't that literally the situation Danny is describing? They already had a mold, so decided to make an SC kit out of it. They didn't design those molds to be used as an SC. As far as I can tell, we've yet to see GW design a sprue of monopose models to be an SC kit. Even these at least have new head options. It's actually far more likely these units are designed like the Bloodreavers and Kairic Acolytes, which is to say they are mostly standardized poses with a few weapon and head options.

It's hard to disprove a negative, which is effectively what the argument you and Danny are putting forward is.

Several people when Shadowspear was released suggested it would become a pair of Start Collecting sets later.
The new Sisters of Battle are getting an Army Pack made in the same vein.
People present at Blood and Glory were flatout told that "Yes, these are monopose models with full kits coming next year". Notice how there was no standard bearer or musician in the Knights or Warriors sets?

 Kanluwen wrote:

 EnTyme wrote:
Isn't that literally the situation Danny is describing? They already had a mold, so decided to make an SC kit out of it. They didn't design those molds to be used as an SC. As far as I can tell, we've yet to see GW design a sprue of monopose models to be an SC kit. Even these at least have new head options. It's actually far more likely these units are designed like the Bloodreavers and Kairic Acolytes, which is to say they are mostly standardized poses with a few weapon and head options.

It's hard to disprove a negative, which is effectively what the argument you and Danny are putting forward is.

Several people when Shadowspear was released suggested it would become a pair of Start Collecting sets later.
The new Sisters of Battle are getting an Army Pack made in the same vein.
People present at Blood and Glory were flatout told that "Yes, these are monopose models with full kits coming next year". Notice how there was no standard bearer or musician in the Knights or Warriors sets?

In mono-pose, anyone think these guys were originally slated for a box but got replaced by Ogors and or Bonemen?

Supposedly, they've been looking into how to make Start Collectings have more value to actual new players for a faction rather than just "Hey veteran players, buy all this crap for cheap!".

 Kanluwen wrote:
Supposedly, they've been looking into how to make Start Collectings have more value to actual new players for a faction rather than just "Hey veteran players, buy all this crap for cheap!".

Except having high value for a new player is just the same in value because the "cheap stuff" is only bought because those veterans are expanding their armies - the very same thing beginners and intermediates do as well.

I think its less about trying to discourage buying multiple getting-started sets and more to do with GW seeing that push-fit helps get more people into the hobby and thus introducing it into the getting started range for some (perhaps one day all) armies. The idea being that the beginner can now get "push fit" models for a whole range of armies not just the two poster-child armies that GW markets. From there they can advance onto more complicated kits (even though honestly I don't think one single GW kit is really that "complex" if you compare it to, say, a typical medium to high range airfix plane or ship).

If GW wanted to discourage multiplebuying they'd just make the models in the start collecting good but one-off sets (or most of them one-off) so that there'd be no real pressure to buy into them.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 EnTyme wrote:
Isn't that literally the situation Danny is describing? They already had a mold, so decided to make an SC kit out of it. They didn't design those molds to be used as an SC. As far as I can tell, we've yet to see GW design a sprue of monopose models to be an SC kit. Even these at least have new head options. It's actually far more likely these units are designed like the Bloodreavers and Kairic Acolytes, which is to say they are mostly standardized poses with a few weapon and head options.

It's hard to disprove a negative, which is effectively what the argument you and Danny are putting forward is.

Several people when Shadowspear was released suggested it would become a pair of Start Collecting sets later.
The new Sisters of Battle are getting an Army Pack made in the same vein.
People present at Blood and Glory were flatout told that "Yes, these are monopose models with full kits coming next year". Notice how there was no standard bearer or musician in the Knights or Warriors sets?

Surely suggesting Shadowspear would become SC is irrelevant, I think that just furthers my point, the sprues already being there etc. (I think they all will now (starter sets), as it’s a use for an expensive mold)

But if they were talking about it at B&G then maybe so, I didn’t see that anywhere (but it is so hard to find actual news/rumours in these threads these days with all the ridiculous arguments every page).
I could see them being like the Bloodreavers etc as EnTyme says.
But you do make a point on the standard etc (they would definitely have something like that), though perhaps it’s an option for an arm swap as with heads. With only showing one build on the back, but a separate box of them would show several options.


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 Overread wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
Supposedly, they've been looking into how to make Start Collectings have more value to actual new players for a faction rather than just "Hey veteran players, buy all this crap for cheap!".

Except having high value for a new player is just the same in value because the "cheap stuff" is only bought because those veterans are expanding their armies - the very same thing beginners and intermediates do as well.

I think its less about trying to discourage buying multiple getting-started sets and more to do with GW seeing that push-fit helps get more people into the hobby and thus introducing it into the getting started range for some (perhaps one day all) armies. The idea being that the beginner can now get "push fit" models for a whole range of armies not just the two poster-child armies that GW markets. From there they can advance onto more complicated kits (even though honestly I don't think one single GW kit is really that "complex" if you compare it to, say, a typical medium to high range airfix plane or ship).

If GW wanted to discourage multiplebuying they'd just make the models in the start collecting good but one-off sets (or most of them one-off) so that there'd be no real pressure to buy into them.

Are the Shadowspear models Push Fit Though?
I thought they were just monopose kits, where though some may clip nicely but not designed that way in the same way starter boxes and ETB are

Not push fit but keyed specifically to just exactly one arm and or gun. Can’t mix options.

Bit late to the party, but it's nice to see new Chaos Warriors, even if for now they're just monopose ones. The old ones are cool in closed rank formation but simply don't look good Age of Sigmar's spread out skirmish formations. And keeping the aesthetic might even make mixing old and new ones an interesting option.

I never had that problem with old Chaos Knights and I really liked the bits in that kit. And the price. Shame if they're going out of print for these new ones.