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It probably wouldn't be a bad idea to pick up some chaos knights now. 10 for $60 isn't a terrible deal and I imagine the new kit will be more expensive. It definitely won't be 5 for 30$.

Do we actually know if the old kits are going away? If these new kits are the same scale and on the same bases, seems more likely to me that they'll only be available in the SC box for the foreseeable future, but that the old warriors & knights will remain on sale as separate kits.

 Marshal Loss wrote:
Do we actually know if the old kits are going away? If these new kits are the same scale and on the same bases, seems more likely to me that they'll only be available in the SC box for the foreseeable future, but that the old warriors & knights will remain on sale as separate kits.

I can't foresee GW keeping the old kits when replacing them with new ones. Most certainly the warriors look dated in terms of the sculpt. Knights could remain as they are somewhat newer, but honestly I'd expect both to go.

The only big question mark really is if the lord on Manticor remains or goes; since that is a "lord on monster" similar model. I wouldn't have thought so but GW already surprised us in removing the high elf dragon and other models. Though one can argue that the manticore also comes with wings and makes a sorcerer build too (I believe).


Other than that Chaos Chosen and any of the other finecast would be up to vanish from the store.

 Overread wrote:

 Marshal Loss wrote:
Do we actually know if the old kits are going away? If these new kits are the same scale and on the same bases, seems more likely to me that they'll only be available in the SC box for the foreseeable future, but that the old warriors & knights will remain on sale as separate kits.

I can't foresee GW keeping the old kits when replacing them with new ones. Most certainly the warriors look dated in terms of the sculpt. Knights could remain as they are somewhat newer, but honestly I'd expect both to go.

But are they actually replacements at this stage? They aren't really replacing anything if they can only be found in a Start Collecting box. One would assume that we'll see a new warrior & knight box sometime down the track, and when that happens they'll definitely remove the older kits, but my point is that I'd expect both the old & new chaos warriors/knights to remain on the shelves until that happens.

E.G. view this in 40k terms: Shadowspear was released with a new & redesigned monopose CSM squad. That squad did not replace the older kit, which remained on the shelves. Soon afterwards, a full squad was released, which did replace the older kit. This wave of warriors/knights is the Shadowspear equivalent. It's not a perfect analogy as Shadowspear was limited and the SC box is not, but I still think we'll see the old warriors/knights on the shelves for many months to come

I mean, you are free to believe what you want, but don't be too surprised when the 15yo chaos warrior kit is gone one day.

Also, you assume somehow that just because the models will initially be released in SC! box they wont be released in their separate box. Chainrasps were.

The warrior, knights and lord kits have been pulled from the order list

Obispudkenobi wrote:
The warrior, knights and lord kits have been pulled from the order list

Which lists and which specific lords? There's quite a few

Warriors, Knights, and Lords are still available on the US store.

And the UK so I think he's talking about a store ordering list for retailers. Which would make sense if GW wants to run the stock down and not have 3rd parties/stores holding old stock.

I looked through the thread and didn’t see the answer so the question is:

Has there been any word about being able to by the terrain from the Ossiarch Battletome? The gate/walls/floors? It looked mass produced.

 Moopy wrote:
I looked through the thread and didn’t see the answer so the question is:

Has there been any word about being able to by the terrain from the Ossiarch Battletome? The gate/walls/floors? It looked mass produced.

It was made by the terrain team for photos and stuff according to responses from GW on Facebook.

I don't buy it. Far too reapeated to be a one off. I expect a Siege centric release after all books are up to date.

 Eldarain wrote:
I don't buy it. Far too reapeated to be a one off. I expect a Siege centric release after all books are up to date.

That was my thoughts! Unless they 3d printed it- it was far too uniform.

Cronch wrote:
I mean, you are free to believe what you want, but don't be too surprised when the 15yo chaos warrior kit is gone one day.

Also, you assume somehow that just because the models will initially be released in SC! box they wont be released in their separate box. Chainrasps were.

Ah but then we would know that the individual boxes are coming. What he is saying is that it's very unlikely GW will drop the kits NOW and then say on march 2020 release the individual kits leaving the SC only way to get chaos warriors from december to march.

In other words if you want chaos warriors you don't have to panic buy them NOW. If the old kits dissapear that's because new ones are coming to replace them. And fast rather than months ago. No worry about the old kits dissapearing with only SC as only source of warriors/knights is what he's saying. When the replacement for the individual boxes come sure that's when they dissapear.

 Eldarain wrote:
I don't buy it. Far too reapeated to be a one off. I expect a Siege centric release after all books are up to date.

Eh I can believe it. Esp as GW is now using 3D printers to cast up things. If that terrain is just for photos and isn't product going out to customers then they could easily design it in 3D and just make some masters cast up without having to invest into the whole process of producing for production. The main keep and gate are also well within GW's skill to make.

Heck we see gamers themselves make repeat detailed terrain features all the time without them being mass produced and that's working without 3D printers.

That said I think that GW has had a good amount of interest shown in the terrain and perhaps it might spur them to consider making it as a kit. A Siege expansion coupled to multiple factions getting some themed siege gear and some walls and such (perhaps not walls for everyone but one per grand alliance) would be a very neat addition. I recall Old World had at least one siege expansion with generic siege weapons and walls and before the great culling and splitting at the start of AoS, most factions had one or more ranged artillery weapons. Bolt throwers; grudge throwers; grot throwers - lots of stuff being thrown that with a bit of orky determination and magic could easily punch walls or at least scatter defenders from the ramparts.

Ah but then we would know that the individual boxes are coming

We only know what GW wants us to know for Christmas and what the leaks (which end in December iirc?) showed. It's entirely possible they will release the SC! box, remove the old kits as unceremoniously as they killed Greenskinz (with maybe week or two of "last chance to buy") and then release the models in separate boxes a month or two later. I'm not saying it will happen, but from GW's perspective it's got the added bonus of not confusing the kiddies/new players with two different types of chaos warriors/knights.

It's not just that, I'm not aware of GW ever keeping old kits on sale when they've released new kits to replace them. It's simple product management for a production company to retire old product before/when new product comes on sale to replace it.

It's not even kiddies, established people can get confused when a company doesn't release things with clear patterns. Keeping old models up when new ones come along just makes people get all kinds of confused as to what is happening which is more likely then to stall buying rather than encourage it. Unless the old kits are popular "legacy" kits and marketed as such.


So yep I'd expect GW to drop the old stock. This will either happen a few weeks before launch or on the launch day. I'd also expect that they would recall all the old kits from their own brand stores (including the battalion from last Christmas). They might even recall from distribution networks as well. Basically dry up the stock from the retail chain so that its not there and then release the new shiny thing.



Unlike Greenskins we can clearly see a new product to replace the existing for warriors and knights. Greenskins was a surprise because GW wasn't replacing them at the time - heck they didn't even udpate Orruks in general until month or so ago.

From aos facebook



What in the world…
Find out more tomorrow (Friday), at 3pm GMT,

It's almost assuredly Warhammer Legends.

AoS's next major expansion - Formation Battles. Contains a limited edition collection of square and rectangular bases to rebase your AoS models for use in a new rank and file battle system.


Or
AoS THE END END TIMES. Following the necroquake Nagash has a fit of rage and throws all the power of the dead at the living; which results in a magical surge so powerful that it shatters all the realms. The quake only ending when it collides with Gotrek who shouts it into submission and reforms the world with a grumpy word. The Old World is reborn.

GW releases the old style bases and - requires you to rebase everything for a return of the Old World system. Note all new AoS armies are moved to legendary status and whilst getting formal rules won't be sold any more.



Or yeah its the Warhammer Legends rules.

Wouldn't surprise me if it's a release of classic Warhammer.

I mean, it's little skin off GW's nose to reprint and republish?

I know a Tomb King base when I see it.

What the hell

OMG, I hope somehow tomg kings get re-released. I would kill for a couple of tomb guard kits.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Wouldn't surprise me if it's a release of classic Warhammer.

I mean, it's little skin off GW's nose to reprint and republish?

Considering how toxic the relationship between old fans and GW is due to End Times, and how it'd make little to no sense to push AoS as the only fantasy setting for last 4 years only to release a competing setting, even if with no models now...I doubt it. Hopefully with StDs being released next month, we can finally have closure on the WFB-AoS hybrid that tomeless armies were.

They could be doing an old rules reprint or even just selling square bases once again.

 Overread wrote:
They could be doing an old rules reprint or even just selling square bases once again.

An out of the blue surprising and vague post making everyone wait 24 hours just to announce square bases?

Personal gut feeling: base adaptors... Nothing more.

SKR.HH wrote:
Personal gut feeling: base adaptors... Nothing more.

You're probably right :/

SKR.HH wrote:
Personal gut feeling: base adaptors... Nothing more.

The GW facebook team already shot that down, tongue in cheek. They said they already offer that and linked to the GW filing tools.

We sell that already, it just takes a while...
www.games-workshop.com/Citadel-File-Set