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Holy hell... just saw the prices of the preorders. The four champions each cost as much as what i paid for the custodes codex, with shipping!!

Jeepers, I thought gw was getting better. This is getting crazy compared to cmon kickstarters with boxes of models just as detailed (rising sun, blood rage, b.p., hate, etc... many multipart but preassembled).

I do like the fact they are unfolding the nagash story in aos though. That cost though....

The cost of the Nagash Book and the Malignen Portent books are all right.
The champions are overpriced, yeah, but... like all special characters. I'lll buy the Darkoath queen because is beautifull, but nothing more from this release. The Spanish Battletome is 20€ for a Softback of 93 pages instead of 32,5€ for the hardback english one with 123 pages. A shame because before the Spanish version was released in a cheaper softback but with the same number of pages, but now the spanish and italic version come without all the new background.

The digital version of the Malign Portents book is just £10. Having their digital noticeably cheaper than physical is a very good step by gw and somewhat balances out the price of the minis. I think I will just get the goblin for now. He really is an amazing figure.

 455_PWR wrote:
Holy hell... just saw the prices of the preorders. The four champions each cost as much as what i paid for the custodes codex, with shipping!!

Jeepers, I thought gw was getting better. This is getting crazy compared to cmon kickstarters with boxes of models just as detailed (rising sun, blood rage, b.p., hate, etc... many multipart but preassembled).

I do like the fact they are unfolding the nagash story in aos though. That cost though....

They've been getting better (or at least not getting worse) on prices everywhere except single-sprue characters it seems.

That's an accurate assessment, Ninth

 455_PWR wrote:
That cost though....

Somebody had to pay for that big, fancy box, instead of the usual clam pack.

Jesus Christ, I wanted to buy the warqueen just for gaks and giggles but at $35 that's probably not gonna happen. Even if I played AoS that would be hard to swallow for a single infantry-sized character.

I dunno, might change my mind later but that gave me sticker shock pretty hard. Even the fething goblin is $35 so I'm pretty sure it isn't because it's a larger model, either.

Perhaps someone more knowledgeable can answer me this. Will there be an update for Skirmish and Path to Glory formats? I'd be nice, if I could use new DoK in those two formats.

 Knight wrote:
Perhaps someone more knowledgeable can answer me this. Will there be an update for Skirmish and Path to Glory formats? I'd be nice, if I could use new DoK in those two formats.

The army book should have Path to Glory Warband setups in it. Most army books these days have updated Path to Glory campaign stuff in them.

Skirmish seemingly doesn't get much love, but you can really 'make your own' Skirmish lists since you take the Points Cost and divide it by 5 to get the Skirmish cost.

Wow. I really wanted to get the Warqueen so my wife could have a woman to lead some Chaos forces, but despite how people are going to defend it, $35 is too much for a single figure, even if this has been an established price for special characters for a couple of years now.

I refuse to spend as much on a Darkoath Warqueen as a trio of easy-build Primaris Aggressors who are EACH 30% bigger.

 NinthMusketeer wrote:

 455_PWR wrote:
Holy hell... just saw the prices of the preorders. The four champions each cost as much as what i paid for the custodes codex, with shipping!!

Jeepers, I thought gw was getting better. This is getting crazy compared to cmon kickstarters with boxes of models just as detailed (rising sun, blood rage, b.p., hate, etc... many multipart but preassembled).

I do like the fact they are unfolding the nagash story in aos though. That cost though....

They've been getting better (or at least not getting worse) on prices everywhere except single-sprue characters it seems.

It's worse, it seems they roll a die what the new character will cost. Last year, we had ridiculously overpriced primaris characters (which is dumb because if there is one range that can rely on volume of sales, it's Space Marines, and the price just caused people to say 'feth this' and to instead convert cheap lieutenants from DI), then same sized Death Guard characters with niche appeal and lower sales were costed much less (despite being harder to convert and having good rules, so if you wanted to overprice anything, it was them). Then the pendulum swung again to overpriced Custodes, again to cheap-ish Marbo and DA/BA lieutenants making you question why the hay the rest of primaris are so expensive, and now is back to overpriced with Portents. The price seems to follow no pattern or sensible logic that anyone was able to divine out somehow...

Eldarain wrote:The Malign Portents book should be pretty affordable given it seems reasonsble on the NZ site.

I woke up yesterday not knowing what was going to be released. I saw they finally released it, and I ordered it from my Local Friendly Gaming store right away. For $30 it's almost an insta buy. If it was 40K it would have been what $50 Canadian but for $30 yeah picked it up just to read and collection even if I don't get to play. Wish the minis were a bit cheaper but we can't have everything eh?

I wish these were the prices for Age of Sigmar from the beginning, I would have a good collection of them. Oh well, I can start now.

 Irbis wrote:
The price seems to follow no pattern or sensible logic that anyone was able to divine out somehow...

Do you mean money or point costs?

 Irbis wrote:

It's worse, it seems they roll a die what the new character will cost. Last year, we had ridiculously overpriced primaris characters

3/4 Primaris Characters are on 2 sprues, only the Chaplain are one 1 sprue, so the 35$ tag is somewhat reasonable. These Harbinger are on single sprue and the only reason that justified their cost is the VERY BIG box that come with them, the extra are from packagin and printing the box.

No, the packaging is to make the price seem more reasonable not the other way around.

Indeed. The idea that printing little boxes in the literally industrial scale that GW orders them can put 5-10 quid on the RRP of every single unit is laughable. It would cost pennies, fractions of pennies even.

Fancying-up the packaging at a tiny cost in order to justify a substantial increase in price is one of the oldest tricks in the book.

Chopstick wrote:

 Irbis wrote:

It's worse, it seems they roll a die what the new character will cost. Last year, we had ridiculously overpriced primaris characters

3/4 Primaris Characters are on 2 sprues, only the Chaplain are one 1 sprue, so the 35$ tag is somewhat reasonable. These Harbinger are on single sprue and the only reason that justified their cost is the VERY BIG box that come with them, the extra are from packagin and printing the box.

Reasonable?

Why, compare this:

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/30-Yrs-Of-40k-Primaris-Veteran-Sergeant-2017
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Space-Marines-Primaris-Chaplain

With this:

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Blood-Angel-Primaris-Lieutenant-Tolmeron-2017
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Dangels-Primaris-Lieutenant-Zakariah-2017

And tell me if you can spot one difference justifying vastly different price. If anything, paper box should be cheaper than clampack...

The truly odd thing is, the economy of scale should mean the former two cost less, not more. They'll make and sell a lot more generic marine characters than chapter specific marine characters. Just by the odds, the chaplain specifically sells to Codex Generic, BA and DA, rather than the smaller sets of just BA or just DA.

 Irbis wrote:

Reasonable?

Why, compare this:

Yes you manage to miss my point completely by bringing up all the 1 sprue primaris release, good observation. I don't even consider the anniversary model to be a character.

As far as all thing goes, I am the first person in this thread voicing my convern about the absurd price of the Harbinger. Days before the pre-order are up.

If you’re concerned about the prices why not co ordinate a group moan on their facebook page? They seem open to feedback and it might curb some of the more excessive pricing over time.

Or just don't buy anything that I think unreasonable. Brigading is a waste of time.

I want to throw out a pet theory. That their current pricing is based around discounters these days so they prices accordingly. With GW's friendliness to 3rd parties growing, obviously more people are going to buy from them rather than direct (I mean who wouldn't with an average of 20% available).

So they price the Harbringers for example at £20, knowing full well that most 3rd parties are going to be selling them around the £15-£16 mark. Probably the price we would have expected and what GW would expect us to pay. But of course if you price it at that, the discounters will then drop it again to around the £12 mark, probably too little for GW. So they expect the bulk to be bought through discounters and anybody who buys them through direct is just a bonus.

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
I want to throw out a pet theory. That their current pricing is based around discounters these days so they prices accordingly. With GW's friendliness to 3rd parties growing, obviously more people are going to buy from them rather than direct (I mean who wouldn't with an average of 20% available).

So they price the Harbringers for example at £20, knowing full well that most 3rd parties are going to be selling them around the £15-£16 mark. Probably the price we would have expected and what GW would expect us to pay. But of course if you price it at that, the discounters will then drop it again to around the £12 mark, probably too little for GW. So they expect the bulk to be bought through discounters and anybody who buys them through direct is just a bonus.

That's likely a factor, yeah. But then they turn around and make kits webstore exclusive and you're stuck giving them crazy money for "poor sellers" like Maggoth Lords and Empire infantry. When Shadespire *teams* cost as much or less than single characters on less or equal amount of sprues with cards and all...it's bananas.

I thought the crazy hero pricing was over when they created Gorechosen to supposedly get rid of Khorne heros and stuck characters into squads as bundles for a while, but no.

Chopstick wrote:
Or just don't buy anything that I think unreasonable. Brigading is a waste of time.

There are always going to be people who do buy them though. Lets not kid ourselves, those harbingers are going to sell just fine.

Indeed.

Me, I'm interested to see if they get rules for Quest. I'd love to unleash a Gobbo off his box on 'Shrooms!

Chopstick wrote:
Yes you manage to miss my point completely by bringing up all the 1 sprue primaris release, good observation. I don't even consider the anniversary model to be a character.

No, you missed the point. You claimed +50% to price is 'reasonable', somehow, stop moving the goalposts. Do tell us how four nearly identical pieces of plastic warrant huge premium on two of them, we're listening. All are same size, same range, same no-name generic characters. That is Kirby-like pricing.

Even the excuse for the remaining primaris SM, namely two sprues, don't make any sense seeing this is two sprue kit too, from same range, and offers vastly more options than any primaris kit, all while costing less than one-spruers: https://www.games-workshop.com/en-SE/Space-Marine-Commander-2015

Voss wrote:
The truly odd thing is, the economy of scale should mean the former two cost less, not more. They'll make and sell a lot more generic marine characters than chapter specific marine characters. Just by the odds, the chaplain specifically sells to codex, BA and DA, rather than the smaller sets of just BA or just DA.

It's even funnier than that, while there is small chance vanilla SM players buy DA/BA model for conversion, but similarly sized Death Guard characters (who are useful for one army only, and cannibalize sales of each other seeing there is like 12 of them and no army is going to include more than 3-5 at best) have most reasonable prices of all recent power armour releases...

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Indeed.

Me, I'm interested to see if they get rules for Quest. I'd love to unleash a Gobbo off his box on 'Shrooms!

They're getting to the point that they could release an update hero pack with a lot of the new characters models or things that have only been in White Dwarf.

The Heralds, Kharadron Overlords, Slambo, the Celestial Hammers heroes, and I'm sure there's more... maybe some Shadespire teams to pad things out?

Oddly, the Branchwych wasn't in the hero cards pack despite being in the app. I'm definitely hoping we get a "hero cards part 2" at some point. Also adversary cards for Death and Destruction units.

 Binabik15 wrote:

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
I want to throw out a pet theory. That their current pricing is based around discounters these days so they prices accordingly. With GW's friendliness to 3rd parties growing, obviously more people are going to buy from them rather than direct (I mean who wouldn't with an average of 20% available).

So they price the Harbringers for example at £20, knowing full well that most 3rd parties are going to be selling them around the £15-£16 mark. Probably the price we would have expected and what GW would expect us to pay. But of course if you price it at that, the discounters will then drop it again to around the £12 mark, probably too little for GW. So they expect the bulk to be bought through discounters and anybody who buys them through direct is just a bonus.

That's likely a factor, yeah. But then they turn around and make kits webstore exclusive and you're stuck giving them crazy money for "poor sellers" like Maggoth Lords and Empire infantry. When Shadespire *teams* cost as much or less than single characters on less or equal amount of sprues with cards and all...it's bananas.

They know they're going to be selling all of the Shadespire teams to everyone though. It's the X-Wing mentality since there are new generic cards present in every team box.

 highlord tamburlaine wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Indeed.

Me, I'm interested to see if they get rules for Quest. I'd love to unleash a Gobbo off his box on 'Shrooms!

They're getting to the point that they could release an update hero pack with a lot of the new characters models or things that have only been in White Dwarf.

The Heralds, Kharadron Overlords, Slambo, the Celestial Hammers heroes, and I'm sure there's more... maybe some Shadespire teams to pad things out?

I could go for an annual update.

No harm in having spares of stuff one already has!