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 EnTyme wrote:

 Mymearan wrote:

 Ghaz wrote:
I was really hoping for at least a small drop in the price for the Witch Aelves, something like $50 for 10 models. At least it wasn't a price increase like Tzeentch had...

Well, you're in luck, they have been dropped in price by 1/3. They're the same price as an Ironjaw Megaboss now, which means they'll be $40 in the US (down from $60).

Hoping this is accurate. If not, I'll have to build the army through Blood Covens

It should be, but since I don't know the previous price in NZ, it's possible they were much cheaper relative to other models in NZ than they were in the rest of the world. We'll see in a few hours.

 Mymearan wrote:

 Ghaz wrote:
I was really hoping for at least a small drop in the price for the Witch Aelves, something like $50 for 10 models. At least it wasn't a price increase like Tzeentch had...

Well, you're in luck, they have been dropped in price by 1/3. They're the same price as an Ironjaw Megaboss now, which means they'll be $40 in the US (down from $60).

If they didn't drop in price in New Zealand, I'm somewhat skeptical of a $20 price drop in the US.

To each of the gods, as well as Morathi was given a portion of the Aelfen souls.
They reshaped the souls and forged new creatures into being!
In Hysh, Tyrion and Teclis created luminous beings and angelic aelfs. Teclis’ first enclave were called the Idoneth - although they disappeared, and future projects proved better.
Malerion reshaped his souls into something dark, terrible and majestic …
Morathi stored her souls in the Máthcoir - a giant iron cauldron, and started to create the Melusai and Khinerai after her own image. “Normal” Witch Aelves are from Azyrheim it seems.

Oh I like the sounds of this.

 Ghaz wrote:

 Mymearan wrote:

 Ghaz wrote:
I was really hoping for at least a small drop in the price for the Witch Aelves, something like $50 for 10 models. At least it wasn't a price increase like Tzeentch had...

Well, you're in luck, they have been dropped in price by 1/3. They're the same price as an Ironjaw Megaboss now, which means they'll be $40 in the US (down from $60).

If they didn't drop in price in New Zealand, I'm somewhat skeptical of a $20 price drop in the US.

Well didn’t they? I would’ve assumed they were NZD 120 previously to match the US price brackets.

 Mymearan wrote:

 Ghaz wrote:

 Mymearan wrote:

 Ghaz wrote:
I was really hoping for at least a small drop in the price for the Witch Aelves, something like $50 for 10 models. At least it wasn't a price increase like Tzeentch had...

Well, you're in luck, they have been dropped in price by 1/3. They're the same price as an Ironjaw Megaboss now, which means they'll be $40 in the US (down from $60).

If they didn't drop in price in New Zealand, I'm somewhat skeptical of a $20 price drop in the US.

Well didn’t they? I would’ve assumed they were NZD 120 previously to match the US price brackets.

No, they didn't. As I've already stated they are the exact same price as before.

 Kanluwen wrote:

To each of the gods, as well as Morathi was given a portion of the Aelfen souls.
They reshaped the souls and forged new creatures into being!
In Hysh, Tyrion and Teclis created luminous beings and angelic aelfs. Teclis’ first enclave were called the Idoneth - although they disappeared, and future projects proved better.
Malerion reshaped his souls into something dark, terrible and majestic …
Morathi stored her souls in the Máthcoir - a giant iron cauldron, and started to create the Melusai and Khinerai after her own image. “Normal” Witch Aelves are from Azyrheim it seems.

Oh I like the sounds of this.

So sea Aelves are Teclis creations. The rumour guy said they were hiding something so maybe they were sent away rather than just vanished. I hope we get a reveal of some kind on the 3rd.

I really thought they'd be selling little Morathi in a clampack separate to the big snake version, but there she is, included on the sprue.

JSG wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

To each of the gods, as well as Morathi was given a portion of the Aelfen souls.
They reshaped the souls and forged new creatures into being!
In Hysh, Tyrion and Teclis created luminous beings and angelic aelfs. Teclis’ first enclave were called the Idoneth - although they disappeared, and future projects proved better.
Malerion reshaped his souls into something dark, terrible and majestic …
Morathi stored her souls in the Máthcoir - a giant iron cauldron, and started to create the Melusai and Khinerai after her own image. “Normal” Witch Aelves are from Azyrheim it seems.

Oh I like the sounds of this.

So sea Aelves are Teclis creations. The rumour guy said they were hiding something so maybe they were sent away rather than just vanished. I hope we get a reveal of some kind on the 3rd.

Idoneth Deepkin, uh ? I'm really excited. Bring it on AOS open day !

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I really thought they'd be selling little Morathi in a clampack separate to the big snake version, but there she is, included on the sprue.

They noted back on Sunday when they announced this week's pre-orders that both models would be in the same kit:

In-game, you’ll need both models to use Morathi (but don’t worry, they come in the same kit!).

Lady Atia has her review of the Battletome up at War of Sigmar.

Well, the Sisters of Slaughter changed quite a bit: can charge after running, as they couldn't before, and their bravery is a bit worse, but have "roll two dices and discard highest". Got an extra attack it seems, sacrificing the bucklers, and their bladed bucklers got a bit worse.
So it seems there're three "units" that can be built from their kit: Witch Elves, Sisters with whip and dagger and sisters with whip and buckler.
Interesting.

 Irbis wrote:

Between Bloodwrack Medusae, Hag Queens, Slaughter Queens and Morathi herself, your Daughters of Khaine heroes won’t just be terrors in close combat but invaluable support units with these new spells and prayers on hand!

That new unit, or just new name of the two dagger girl from blood spa wagon?

So, yeah, nailed it.

Also, I like how Morathi has 4+ save despite coming with skimpy dress with belly window. I wonder, where the duo claiming actual armour and shield on what was supposed to be a pretty important character, warrants, at best, 5+ save (insert a couple of -4 str memes too) is now?

 Irbis wrote:

 Irbis wrote:

Between Bloodwrack Medusae, Hag Queens, Slaughter Queens and Morathi herself, your Daughters of Khaine heroes won’t just be terrors in close combat but invaluable support units with these new spells and prayers on hand!

That new unit, or just new name of the two dagger girl from blood spa wagon?

So, yeah, nailed it.

Also, I like how Morathi has 4+ save despite coming with skimpy dress with belly window. I wonder, where the duo claiming actual armour and shield on what was supposed to be a pretty important character, warrants, at best, 5+ save (insert a couple of -4 str memes too) is now?

I'm right here. Obviously Morathi is protected by his powerfull metal wings that stop all incoming attacks as if it was in an anime. You need to use your imagination, du! Obviously Morathi is as protected as a full plate armoured Stormcast Paladin!

BTW nice insinuation that it was a problem with the Darkoath Queen being female

Well, realize that her humanoid form is only an illusion. I imagine that were someone to stab her in the gut her flesh would respond more like dragon scales than human skin. In regards to the Darkoath warqueen, remember that Stormcast or Chaos Warriors literally covered head-to-toe in plate such that not a single scrap of flesh is visible get a 4+ save. What about the warqueen warrants her having the same save as that?

 Ghaz wrote:
They noted back on Sunday when they announced this week's pre-orders that both models would be in the same kit...

And?

As I said, I really thought they'd sell them separately. It surprises me that they're not.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Ghaz wrote:
They noted back on Sunday when they announced this week's pre-orders that both models would be in the same kit...

And?

As I said, I really thought they'd sell them separately. It surprises me that they're not.

Thing is if you read the release info the way she works is that she deploys always as her illusion human form. You can then pick to transform her or she can change through a random loss of control. So if they sold them separate you'd have to buy both anyway to use either one as they require each other. So it makes much more sense to have them on the same kit. Just like they've done mounted and dismounted heroes in the past where the unit could change status during a battle.


What's more surprising is that they've not released any kind of mage kit sprue. So that Blood Cauldron is going to get a lot of sales; you'll need to sacrifice at least one kit of it to get the mages and avatar or use a lot of magnets. Then again one spare would give you parts to convert up a fixed one or make something else (and avatar and 3 mages alone for the price of the Cauldron isn'ta bad deal anyway by the way GW prices individual hero style models). Though the avatar pose isn't really the best one for a unit walking into battle.

 Overread wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Ghaz wrote:
They noted back on Sunday when they announced this week's pre-orders that both models would be in the same kit...

And?

As I said, I really thought they'd sell them separately. It surprises me that they're not.

Thing is if you read the release info the way she works is that she deploys always as her illusion human form. You can then pick to transform her or she can change through a random loss of control. So if they sold them separate you'd have to buy both anyway to use either one as they require each other. So it makes much more sense to have them on the same kit. Just like they've done mounted and dismounted heroes in the past where the unit could change status during a battle.


What's more surprising is that they've not released any kind of mage kit sprue. So that Blood Cauldron is going to get a lot of sales; you'll need to sacrifice at least one kit of it to get the mages and avatar or use a lot of magnets. Then again one spare would give you parts to convert up a fixed one or make something else (and avatar and 3 mages alone for the price of the Cauldron isn'ta bad deal anyway by the way GW prices individual hero style models). Though the avatar pose isn't really the best one for a unit walking into battle.

The Blood Cauldron is a dual kit though, like the Mortis Engine/Coven Throne. Does the Medusae no longer have the Mirror thing?

Aye they get access to both forms of the kit, so chances are if the rules are such that you'll only ever need one of each variation you could get away with just two. Depends really on the costs for the units and how they play out as to how it goes.

It will also depend on what the getting started kit comes with - assuming GW makes one like they do for all other factions. Thought it might be tricky as, 40K side at least, all the getting st arted kits are £50 with two unit and one leader choices with the leader normally being free. Daughters should get their own; though I'm not sure what single unit they could use for the freebie. Otherwise unless the cheapen the cauldron and sisters it puts them a price bracket above other races and GW's general marketing.

 Adam Spielmann wrote:
Well, the Sisters of Slaughter changed quite a bit: can charge after running, as they couldn't before, and their bravery is a bit worse, but have "roll two dices and discard highest". Got an extra attack it seems, sacrificing the bucklers, and their bladed bucklers got a bit worse.
So it seems there're three "units" that can be built from their kit: Witch Elves, Sisters with whip and dagger and sisters with whip and buckler.
Interesting.

Bucklers got side graded. Now you get the 6s bounce mortal wounds even if the enemy's rend negates your save.


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 Overread wrote:
Aye they get access to both forms of the kit, so chances are if the rules are such that you'll only ever need one of each variation you could get away with just two. Depends really on the costs for the units and how they play out as to how it goes.

It will also depend on what the getting started kit comes with - assuming GW makes one like they do for all other factions. Thought it might be tricky as, 40K side at least, all the getting st arted kits are £50 with two unit and one leader choices with the leader normally being free. Daughters should get their own; though I'm not sure what single unit they could use for the freebie. Otherwise unless the cheapen the cauldron and sisters it puts them a price bracket above other races and GW's general marketing.

Technically the only start collecting box that makes any sense for them (Cauldron+Witche Aelves) already exists, it's just 100$ instead of 85$.

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
Well, realize that her humanoid form is only an illusion. I imagine that were someone to stab her in the gut her flesh would respond more like dragon scales than human skin. In regards to the Darkoath warqueen, remember that Stormcast or Chaos Warriors literally covered head-to-toe in plate such that not a single scrap of flesh is visible get a 4+ save. What about the warqueen warrants her having the same save as that?

Something something about a shield and a helmet being equivalent to full plate something.

The reality is that saves in AoS don't have 3+ or 2+ saves like 40k (Or they are nearly non existant), so basically every elite-basic unit in the game that is not a hero/special character has 4/5/6/- save. That makes many units have strange saves, like a naked barbarian (Darkoath Chieftan) having the same saving throw has a Duardin Warrior in dwarven chainmail. (5+)

Reality is always somewhat disconnected to the game and often as not I imagine that sometimes saves are not just a save against raw damage but inhuman movement. Eg (as its topical) I'd see Daughters of Khaine being more likely to dodge blows than to withstand huge strikes.

That and lets face it most armies would lay with very different numbers - skaven would have thousands of rats for maybe a handful of elite elvish warriors

https://war-of-sigmar.herokuapp.com/bloggings/2763

A bunch of Screencap of the new warscroll.

Walking T-pose avatar of khaine

Regional pricing is so weird. Here in Japan (and also on Australia) witch elves are cheaper than great swords and the coven of blood is cheaper than start collecting but Morathi is more expensive than Alarielle. What's up with that?

Not digging a model that only works 2/3 of the time.

Chopstick wrote:
https://war-of-sigmar.herokuapp.com/bloggings/2763

A bunch of Screencap of the new warscroll.

Walking T-pose avatar of khaine

Spoiler:

OK that's totally cool.


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 Galas wrote:

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
Well, realize that her humanoid form is only an illusion. I imagine that were someone to stab her in the gut her flesh would respond more like dragon scales than human skin. In regards to the Darkoath warqueen, remember that Stormcast or Chaos Warriors literally covered head-to-toe in plate such that not a single scrap of flesh is visible get a 4+ save. What about the warqueen warrants her having the same save as that?

Something something about a shield and a helmet being equivalent to full plate something.

The reality is that saves in AoS don't have 3+ or 2+ saves like 40k (Or they are nearly non existant), so basically every elite-basic unit in the game that is not a hero/special character has 4/5/6/- save. That makes many units have strange saves, like a naked barbarian (Darkoath Chieftan) having the same saving throw has a Duardin Warrior in dwarven chainmail. (5+)

Some stuff just doesn't make sense, this is the game were chariots can roll up the side of buildings after all. But when an apparently unarmored character has a 4+ save it's safe to assume there is some other factor at work. In this case the alternate form makes things particularly obvious, but in others one could consider dodging, general toughness, armor being used as extra wounds instead of a better save, etc. There's plenty of places where that doesn't do enough; it doesn't make sense that the darkoath chief can dodge well enough for a 5+ (obviously he has no armor to speak of) yet has no indication whatsoever of being particularly agile. But hey, still better than chariots going up vertical walls.

New Sea Elves seem to be confirmed to be “Idoneth Deepkinl.

 Kanluwen wrote:

To each of the gods, as well as Morathi was given a portion of the Aelfen souls.
They reshaped the souls and forged new creatures into being!
In Hysh, Tyrion and Teclis created luminous beings and angelic aelfs. Teclis’ first enclave were called the Idoneth - although they disappeared, and future projects proved better.
Malerion reshaped his souls into something dark, terrible and majestic …
Morathi stored her souls in the Máthcoir - a giant iron cauldron, and started to create the Melusai and Khinerai after her own image. “Normal” Witch Aelves are from Azyrheim it seems.

Oh I like the sounds of this.

Intriguing. From implications of other "experiments" that Teclis did, what was he up to? I'm not sure how much I like the idea of angelic elves, at least not as a template that's usually used in the West. I am keeping an opened mind, as apart from white winged elves that smite profiles with "Chaos", it could turn out really interesting. Not to mention what sort of transformation Tyrion and Teclis went, suddenly I'm not so sure they'll stick to the old highborn design.

..what are "the kraith" mentioned ?

 reds8n wrote:
..what are "the kraith" mentioned ?

They are one of the Daughters of Khaine sub factions.

Idoneth Deepkin, uh ? Great, can't wait to see them

The Ally table is interesting because it shows that they apparently belong to the "evil" side of Order, like the other Dark Elves of old subfactions (not counting SCE ofc)... Also, the little fluff extract from War of Sigmar have them trying to capture Khainites Aelves trying to help Alarielle's army.

My theory : the Deepkin are the one responsible from the soul thefts Nagash cannot identify in Legion of Nagash (so not Sigmar, not the Chaos gods, not the aelven gods)

Nooooooooo, my plans for a Greek themed army are dashed, no mixing of these gals and medusas with my free-guild

Unless I can find what a good proxy for them in the other aelven armies.