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 Mymearan wrote:
New Sea Elves seem to be confirmed to be “Idoneth Deepkinl.

Spoiler:

I'm genuinely surprised that it has them listed as Allies in this book. Means they must be really close to release.

Soooo, yet one more sign that the badass Spartan-Atlantean elves can be real.

Oh boy, oh boy, oh boy, this year is gonna be one hell of an expense year.

 unmercifulconker wrote:
Nooooooooo, my plans for a Greek themed army are dashed, no mixing of these gals and medusas with my free-guild

Unless I can find what a good proxy for them in the other aelven armies.

What about Grand alliance : Order ?

 HorticulusDK wrote:

 unmercifulconker wrote:
Nooooooooo, my plans for a Greek themed army are dashed, no mixing of these gals and medusas with my free-guild

Unless I can find what a good proxy for them in the other aelven armies.

What about Grand alliance : Order ?

You could still use them as an ORDER army, just not a DAUGHTERS OF KHAINE army. Though, the alleigence abilities are really cool, so I can see why you'd want to keep them.

Oh so its still possible?! Sorry Im not too familiar with the rules

Damn that is a relief, thanks guys haha, so they could ally but you just couldn't retain any allegiance abilities?

 unmercifulconker wrote:
Oh so its still possible?! Sorry Im not too familiar with the rules

Damn that is a relief, thanks guys haha, so they could ally but you just couldn't retain any allegiance abilities?

You would only be able to have Grand Alliance Order Allegiance Abilities.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 unmercifulconker wrote:
Oh so its still possible?! Sorry Im not too familiar with the rules

Damn that is a relief, thanks guys haha, so they could ally but you just couldn't retain any allegiance abilities?

You would only be able to have Grand Alliance Order Allegiance Abilities.

That's A-ok with me! Cheers for the clarification all.

I am most certainly hyped, surely Idoneth reveal is not too far off.

 unmercifulconker wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 unmercifulconker wrote:
Oh so its still possible?! Sorry Im not too familiar with the rules

Damn that is a relief, thanks guys haha, so they could ally but you just couldn't retain any allegiance abilities?

You would only be able to have Grand Alliance Order Allegiance Abilities.

That's A-ok with me! Cheers for the clarification all.

I am most certainly hyped, surely Idoneth reveal is not too far off.

Allies rules are page 76, General's Handbook 2017, and indeed given the picture above, you won't be able to add Freeguild to a DAUGHTERS OF KHAINE army.

But you can have an ORDER army composed of ORDER units (like Freeguild and Daughters of Khaine), gaining ORDER Allegiance Abilities from the General's Handbook 2017, see pages 116-117.

BTW with the Gloub gloub trailer we got earlier and the AOS open day next week end, I am 99% sure we'll get a Idoneth Deepkin preview at the event (Or, dare I hope, a full range reveal ?! )

Thank you very much Hort

If they will have the full range in the cabinets I will be insanely jealous of not being there hahaha.

Some of the new warscroll are still missing and give 404 error :(

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2018/02/24/new-pre-orders-morathi-returns/

When the End Times came and the Mortal Realms were formed, she returned as a goddess and member of Sigmar’s Pantheon of Order, and was vital in Tyrion, Teclis and Malerion’s scheme to imprison Slaanesh and restore the aelven souls the God of Excess had consumed.

I like how GW can't apparently decide if she is a goddess after all, a demigoddess trying to ascend, or a mortal wannabe who tried to become demigoddess but failed to and is trying to come up with a new plan/gathering energy/waiting for something (so far, there are bits of text supporting all of the above) Man, I really need that codex to see which version is correct...

There isn't a firm line between any of them, it's pretty much just what they are called. Rotigus is a god/demigod in some places and he's just a GUO. Personally I think she's in solid demigod turf, from her fluff but also because how strong she is on the tabletop compared to Alarielle & Nagash.

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
Rotigus is a god/demigod in some places and he's just a GUO.

Um, the wording is that Rotigus is 'worshipped' as a god in places, which is perfectly okay, as humans are perfectly capable of worshipping even a badly worked chunk of masonry. So, no problem there, especially seeing we know there are only 5 chaos gods in AoS so he can't be one. Morathi's status is much more ambiguous, however, as no one worships her due to her overcomplicated Khaine scam, so the doubts are about her actual, not assumed status. While I agree she is probably solid demigoddess going by rules, it's definitely not what the piece I quoted said, which is why I find GW's constant contradictions funny. And these can't be even filed as 'unreliable narrator' hand-wave, as these are out of universe promotional materials...

By the way, is this video new?

My point is that while the status on either extreme is clear, beings somewhere between random mortal and Chaos God on the power scale are ambiguous in their categorization because the terms themselves are ambiguous. There's no definition or list of points over what AoS classifies as a god or not, we just go off what we have which is often varied. If one group worships Rotigus as a god while another doesn't does that make him a demigod? Just a GUO with his own cult? A lesser chaos god? These things are true or not true depending on the perspective. As beings from beyond the unknowable fourth wall, we would summarize that as 'well he's a notable GUO but not a god'. Now just because tribe A still calls him a god doesn't make the fluff contradictory, it means different groups within the AoS fluff have different opinions.

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
My point is that while the status on either extreme is clear, beings somewhere between random mortal and Chaos God on the power scale are ambiguous in their categorization because the terms themselves are ambiguous. There's no definition or list of points over what AoS classifies as a god or not, we just go off what we have which is often varied. If one group worships Rotigus as a god while another doesn't does that make him a demigod? Just a GUO with his own cult? A lesser chaos god? These things are true or not true depending on the perspective. As beings from beyond the unknowable fourth wall, we would summarize that as 'well he's a notable GUO but not a god'. Now just because tribe A still calls him a god doesn't make the fluff contradictory, it means different groups within the AoS fluff have different opinions.

But that's in-fiction/unreliable narrator territory. They're talking about out-of-fiction/omniscient narrator perspective and the fact there appears to be statements from said perspective supporting all three possibilities.

I mean, I'm willing to bet it's just whoever's doing the promo material not paying enough attention, but it's a legit thing to wonder about and you've not addressed the point.

Well considering we only have pieces of the lore and not the whole book release we can't call what we have reliable either. I'm trying to say that any conclusions we draw now are only based on what we have now, which can in turn change as we get more fluff (that I am communicating that poorly is another issue). Literally one paragraph in a whole battletome can have dramatic ramifications for what the fluff is. Hell I can think of a single sentence in the Seraphon one that does something to that effect. Since we have devs referencing different parts of fluff we don't have the full context; one guy could be saying 'the god Rotigus' while another guy says 'Rotigus falsely worshipped as a god' and in the greater context both those could be somewhat true.

Also, I think we all know that GWs own guys get the fluff wrong here and there. It's inevitable when there's so much writing spread across a greater whole. I remember one short story with FEC where the Ghoul King was obviously not under any sort of delusion (and this was post-battletome).

 Mymearan wrote:
New Sea Elves seem to be confirmed to be “Idoneth Deepkinl.

Spoiler:

Oooh! I hope the listing of the Bloodwrack Medusa as a leader means that they'll sell it as in independent miniature again. I want one (or more) of her, but I don't want to buy that whole Blood Cauldron contraption (and especially not multiples) to get the mini.

 Aesthete wrote:

 Mymearan wrote:
New Sea Elves seem to be confirmed to be “Idoneth Deepkinl.

Spoiler:

Oooh! I hope the listing of the Bloodwrack Medusa as a leader means that they'll sell it as in independent miniature again. I want one (or more) of her, but I don't want to buy that whole Blood Cauldron contraption (and especially not multiples) to get the mini.

They talked about her as a wizard in one of the community articles.

 Aesthete wrote:

 Mymearan wrote:
New Sea Elves seem to be confirmed to be “Idoneth Deepkinl.

Spoiler:

Oooh! I hope the listing of the Bloodwrack Medusa as a leader means that they'll sell it as in independent miniature again. I want one (or more) of her, but I don't want to buy that whole Blood Cauldron contraption (and especially not multiples) to get the mini.

They can’t sell her separately, she’s part of the Cauldron sprue.

 Mymearan wrote:

 Aesthete wrote:

They can’t sell her separately, she’s part of the Cauldron sprue.

That's weird, because they used to sell her separately back in the day.

 Mymearan wrote:
They can’t sell her separately, she’s part of the Cauldron sprue.

Yep, unfortunately if you want to run any leader other than Morathi you have to get the Cauldron/Shrine kit or do some kitbashing. Fingers crossed we will see more releases in the future though.

 Aesthete wrote:

 Mymearan wrote:

 Aesthete wrote:

They can’t sell her separately, she’s part of the Cauldron sprue.

That's weird, because they used to sell her separately back in the day.

I don't remember GW ever selling a Bloodwrack Medusa outside of the plastic kit. Are you thinking of Dechala maybe?

New story from malign portents hosts Daughters of Khaine.

However, disregard the story and instead focus on the introduction paragraph:

The column of risen dead wound its way along the vast length of the obsidian canyon. Glowing torches were held aloft by lumbering skeletal giants, their slow strides keeping pace with Deathrattle spearmen marching in tight lines. The corpse-lights cast an amethyst haze through the thick fog, which curled about the marching ranks like the coils of a hunting snake. At the centre of the macabre procession was a monstrous creation of bone and sinew, a pentagonal platform held aloft by scores of rotting cadavers.

Glowing torches were held aloft by lumbering skeletal giants, their slow strides keeping pace with Deathrattle spearmen marching in tight lines.

skeletal giants

Tomb King relaunch confirmed! (sarcasm)

Skeleton giants have popped up in several books and stories recently. I hope they find their way back to model form soon.

On the one hand GW has killed TK fully and introduced a new undead/skeleton faction.

On the other hand GW has split the Dark Elves into what 3 or 4 factions now. So in theory they could bring some of the TK units or similar ones back in the form of another sub-faction of Undead.

It seems that the view for Sigmar is to have several smaller armies with allies than fewer bigger individual armies. The only downside to that that I can see is the long term support of each sub-army, esp with regard to new model releases over time.


And yeah I can't see GW releasing new moulds and models for the heroes in the Cauldron kit. Even if they released them at £10-15 each that would be three or four (if they did the Avatar which would likely cost more on its own) new moulds and kits. Combined price would easily take them up to as much as the Cauldron so people would likely just get the cauldron kit. So it would be a really low return investment for GW.

Ebay will likely get a lot of broken up kits for this; and meanwhile if armies don't need more than one or two of each chances are they won't be too hard to collect up. Even if you use a cauldron kit just for the characters you'd still have a good deal based on GW character prices.

The only way I could see them releasing a new mage kit would be if it came on another mount (horse, pegasus, something else) or if it is a named character.

New Death things? Nah, Death got a book recently, that should do us good for the next few years.


They didn't even bother updating any of the death kits and some of those are horrendous. With all this talk of Nagash gaining power and malign portents we're getting a mighty load of elf content.

Should be elven (or Aelven) portents instead.


Yes the salt is strong.

Also now that legions of nagash have come out without a single new kit, it seems to suggest that when FINALLY death gets a proper release it will be a completely separate faction, something completely out of left field like flying dwarves or serpent elves...so maybe a whole army of skeleton animals. Or zombie pirates or something. Either way, it's not going to tie in with existing legions of nagash (vampire counts) armies.

Actually Tomb Kings would be a fun and unique re-release for death. They are distinct enough from Nagash and had nice enough kits.

It would be pretty cool if TK and Setra came back as a good death faction from hyish. More about living constructs, think terra-cotta soldiers. Something death and nagash can never claim.

dogfender wrote:
It would be pretty cool if TK and Setra came back as a good death faction from hyish. More about living constructs, think terra-cotta soldiers. Something death and nagash can never claim.

That would be very cool indeed.

Hopefully if/when they are bringing TKs back they bring back the plastic constructs (Stalkers/Necro Knights & the Sphinx).

I never got around to buying enough Necro Knights back when WHFB was a thing.

 Aesthete wrote:

 Mymearan wrote:

 Aesthete wrote:

They can’t sell her separately, she’s part of the Cauldron sprue.

That's weird, because they used to sell her separately back in the day.

No, it’s never been seperate.