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**Inquisitor Gideon**

Khaine's body is dead but his heart still beats. In theory he could be brought back if Morathi dedicated herself too it. Which she wont.

**Kanluwen**

Vorian wrote:
Khaine is dead and can't come back because she has his heart - so she reaps the benefit of the Khaibe worship... as far as I understand it anyway!

This is correct...ish. The implications from DoK were that Khaine can't fully "die" until his heart is destroyed...and if the Heart were to be destroyed, he would come back. As long as Morathi retains it (and the power going to it since she's his Prophetess/Oracle and stoking up the belief again), she's basically a god in her own right and Khaine can't be brought back.

Mathlann's a whole different deal since his essence was completely destroyed during the End Times and belief in him is basically nonexistent at this point. There's been no Prophetess of Mathlann predicting his secondcoming or suggesting that they can find him and bring him back or holding a relic of him to keep him from 'returning'.

The vibe I got from the description of their cities was very, very, very...interesting. They mentioned cities within magical bubbles and coral and ivory and bone 'sung' into shapes for the city structures proper. Each of the cities(called "Enclaves") has a kind of "soulbank" for when times get lean and they can't get souls from raiding.

**pm713**

That sounds cool. I'll be making an underwater city now.

I do want a return of Khaine now though.

**Boss Salvage**

So I was looking at the spellcasters and sorta rolling my eyes at all the sea life - UNTIL THIS LIL GUY

- Salvage

**Clockpunk**

Hmmmm... shame these count as order, and not death (given the whole soul harvest aspect) - missed opp to expand that fa iron a little in an innovative manner.

**Kanluwen**

You might roll your eyes at the sea life--but apparently it's a critical part of the Idoneth.

Their "Forgotten Nightmare" rule, where the enemy is fluffed as having "forgotten" to see them? It's because the Isharaan are extremely skilled in mind magic. They lost a lot of people to fighting the beasts of the deep early on and just decided to enslave them instead.

So now they have "bondbeasts" like that lil' bit that serve as familiars/"protectors" for them.

**Boss Salvage**

Kanluwen wrote:
You might roll your eyes at the sea life--but apparently it's a critical part of the Idoneth.

Their "Forgotten Nightmare" rule, where the enemy is fluffed as having "forgotten" to see them? It's because the Isharaan are extremely skilled in mind magic. They lost a lot of people to fighting the beasts of the deep early on and just decided to enslave them instead.

So now they have "bondbeasts" like that lil' bit that serve as familiars/"protectors" for them.

Fair enough, checks out to me

I guess 'obligatory pet models' is my 'obligatory tactical rock'

- Salvage

**Kanluwen**

Boss Salvage wrote:
Kanluwen wrote:
You might roll your eyes at the sea life--but apparently it's a critical part of the Idoneth.

Their "Forgotten Nightmare" rule, where the enemy is fluffed as having "forgotten" to see them? It's because the Isharaan are extremely skilled in mind magic. They lost a lot of people to fighting the beasts of the deep early on and just decided to enslave them instead.

So now they have "bondbeasts" like that lil' bit that serve as familiars/"protectors" for them.
Fair enough, checks out to me

I guess 'obligatory pet models' is my 'obligatory tactical rock'

- Salvage

The fun part is that it gives them a chance to add some unique/interesting "attacks" to the unit without them needing to be waving around a sword like a goon.

The guy with the giant hook, for example, is implied to be using the hook more as a ceremonial tool than a weapon of war.
Also, he can harvest the souls of fallen Idoneth and "stuff them back in" to the Namarti.

Which is awesome.

**Slayer-Fan123**

I'm glad I clicked on this thread randomly to ask if it looks like the Attack Octopus is salvageable from the rest of that model.

**Knight**

The little fishes are simply adorable.

Not to mention... the memes.

Spoiler:

**Kanluwen**

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
I'm glad I clicked on this thread randomly to ask if it looks like the Attack Octopus is salvageable from the rest of that model.

We'll know on Friday around 6pm Eastern when the New Zealand preorders are live.

I'm guessing no though.

**unmercifulconker**

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
I'm glad I clicked on this thread randomly to ask if it looks like the Attack Octopus is salvageable from the rest of that model.

I too am really eager to look at the proper sprue, at worst maybe you'll have to sacrifice a tentacle maybe if one is stuck to the guys back.

This army is utter perfection for a Kvaldir force, all the little fishies, Sharks for Chariots, barnacles etc. I'll be making a Khorgos Khul with an Exalted Deathbringer since he got that killer viking beard and have the Octopus to the side of him.

Also that Turtle is a perfect Warshrine.

Oh and a Soulrender and Thralls for an Archon and Incubi, and more thralls and everything with an Atlantian helmet for more free-guild greek human/aelves.

Yeeeeaah my wallet is gonna hate this release.

**Pumpkin**

Kanluwen wrote:
It's apparently relating to the whole "ethersea" element of the army and them bringing the ocean's depths with them to battle on the land.

The lore stream went over this yesterday and it was...interesting. It's less that they "flood" the land or whatever, it's they've created a way for them to live and bring the elements for their bondbeasts to survive. Their cities have roads, people walk, etc--but the fish and the other sea creatures will swim through the air as though there's nothing happening.

Reminds me of a delightfully fanciful short story I read a while back; Tomorrow Is Saint Valentine's Day by Tori Truslow.

It's written as a fantastical alternate history biography, in which a Victorian "elficologist" travels to the moon to live amongst mermaids. The vacuum of space is re-imagined as a sort of "damp" environment, in which humans can't breathe - unless kissed by a mermaid, of course! - where legged creatures walk and fish swim.

It's nice to see another take on the concept. ...Well, one that isn't Sharky & George!

"Crimebusters of the sea!"

**EnTyme**

I've mentioned it before, but I plan to use the Eidolon as a C'Tan Shard of the Deceiver. Just need to look at the sprues to see how much of the base decoration is optional.

**Albino Squirrel**

Kanluwen wrote:
Vorian wrote:
Khaine is dead and can't come back because she has his heart - so she reaps the benefit of the Khaibe worship... as far as I understand it anyway!

...
The vibe I got from the description of their cities was very, very, very...interesting. They mentioned cities within magical bubbles and coral and ivory and bone 'sung' into shapes for the city structures proper. Each of the cities(called "Enclaves") has a kind of "soulbank" for when times get lean and they can't get souls from raiding.

The have bonesingers and an infinity circuits in their craft worlds? I mean, enclaves? So these are fantasy Eldar?

**pm713**

Not really. They have no predator god, fallen civilisation, soul stones, infinity circuits, wraith constructs or path system.

The similarity is making cities with singing things, weird stuff with souls and pointy ears.

**NinthMusketeer**

Albino Squirrel wrote:
Kanluwen wrote:
Vorian wrote:
Khaine is dead and can't come back because she has his heart - so she reaps the benefit of the Khaibe worship... as far as I understand it anyway!

...
The vibe I got from the description of their cities was very, very, very...interesting. They mentioned cities within magical bubbles and coral and ivory and bone 'sung' into shapes for the city structures proper. Each of the cities(called "Enclaves") has a kind of "soulbank" for when times get lean and they can't get souls from raiding.

The have bonesingers and an infinity circuits in their craft worlds? I mean, enclaves? So these are fantasy Eldar?

Other way around: eldar are sci find elves.

**Captain Joystick**

Kanluwen wrote:
The implications from DoK were that Khaine can't fully "die" until his heart is destroyed...and if the Heart were to be destroyed, he would come back. As long as Morathi retains it (and the power going to it since she's his Prophetess/Oracle and stoking up the belief again), she's basically a god in her own right and Khaine can't be brought back.

That wasn't my takeaway. The heart itself appears to be invincible, the seed from which Khaine would grow back if Morathi would leave it to its own devices instead of drinking its blood and sapping its power.

**Albino Squirrel**

pm713 wrote:
Not really. They have no predator god, fallen civilisation, soul stones, infinity circuits, wraith constructs or path system.

The similarity is making cities with singing things, weird stuff with souls and pointy ears.

Their souls were eaten by Slaanesh, so they have the same predator god as the Eldar. Isn't a soul bank the same thing as an infinity circuit? And they presumably have something like soul stones to keep the souls of their dead and get them into the soul bank. Except they take the souls out to use for themselves instead of putting them in robots.

Just sounds like the borrowed a few elements from the Eldar, like the bonesinging to build things and the saving of souls.

**vitki**

I thin I remember something like the hook guys storing the souls in their lanterns.A difference between a soul bank and the infinity circuit is that the bank is for souls of other races to be devoured/used to give Namarti life instead of their own dead being protected and honored.
But kind of the same if you think of it as souls used to power fighetrs (Namarti vs. Wraith constructs).

Cool twists all around

Also loved the image of an Idoneth city being built on the back of a huge leviathan traversing seas of the multiverse.

**Kanluwen**

Albino Squirrel wrote:
pm713 wrote:
Not really. They have no predator god, fallen civilisation, soul stones, infinity circuits, wraith constructs or path system.

The similarity is making cities with singing things, weird stuff with souls and pointy ears.

Their souls were eaten by Slaanesh, so they have the same predator god as the Eldar. Isn't a soul bank the same thing as an infinity circuit? And they presumably have something like soul stones to keep the souls of their dead and get them into the soul bank. Except they take the souls out to use for themselves instead of putting them in robots.

Just sounds like the borrowed a few elements from the Eldar, like the bonesinging to build things and the saving of souls.

Jeremy Vetock literally said that yeah, they borrowed a few elements from the Eldar.

However they also took a few of those elements that were there in the Eldar that were originally nods to the old stories of the Fae and Changelings and things like that.
Also, their souls were eaten by Slaanesh. The Aelf Gods "rescued" these souls.

The reason they fled was, from the lore stream, "imagine that you've been stuck for millenia being tortured by the God of Excess. Sounds, lights, everything. Now imagine that your rescuer wants you to go back out into a world you know nothing about". The words "broken" and "not right in the head" are used for them, with the High King being "the most sane" having been the first one rescued from Slaanesh--but every soul saved after him "was just a little bit more broken than the last".

They don't really have soul stones, but the Soulreapers(the guy with the massive hook) 'catch' departing souls with their lanterns and can draw upon that energy in battle. Apparently that guy can become a massive powerhouse or stuff souls into slain Namarti to 'power' them back up.

**NinthMusketeer**

Captain Joystick wrote:
Kanluwen wrote:
The implications from DoK were that Khaine can't fully "die" until his heart is destroyed...and if the Heart were to be destroyed, he would come back. As long as Morathi retains it (and the power going to it since she's his Prophetess/Oracle and stoking up the belief again), she's basically a god in her own right and Khaine can't be brought back.

That wasn't my takeaway. The heart itself appears to be invincible, the seed from which Khaine would grow back if Morathi would leave it to its own devices instead of drinking its blood and sapping its power.

Me as well, Khorne himself couldn't destroy it, and it seems like revival would be more about channelling power into it rather than through it into Morathi.

**Gallahad**

GW just keeps in pricing themselves out of my "to buy" list. There are a lot of great miniatures bring produced out there that they are competing with. $5 a piece for plastic infantry just feels like such bad value to me when I can get nice metals for only a buck or two more a piece. Or on the other side of the spectrum I can get a bucket of really really nice PVC models from the C'mon Kickstarter of the quarter for $1 a pop, or great historical plastics for a similar price. I'd totally buy them for a price closer to the Kairic Acolytes or the Bloodreavers, but I just will never run out of miniatures that are a higher bang for the buck on the "to buy" list.

**Eumerin**

Kanluwen wrote:
Vorian wrote:
Khaine is dead and can't come back because she has his heart - so she reaps the benefit of the Khaibe worship... as far as I understand it anyway!

This is correct...ish. The implications from DoK were that Khaine can't fully "die" until his heart is destroyed...and if the Heart were to be destroyed, he would come back. As long as Morathi retains it (and the power going to it since she's his Prophetess/Oracle and stoking up the belief again), she's basically a god in her own right and Khaine can't be brought back.

Reminds me of the old Star Child fluff from waaaaay back in 40K.

**drbored**

Gallahad wrote:
GW just keeps in pricing themselves out of my "to buy" list. There are a lot of great miniatures bring produced out there that they are competing with. $5 a piece for plastic infantry just feels like such bad value to me when I can get nice metals for only a buck or two more a piece. Or on the other side of the spectrum I can get a bucket of really really nice PVC models from the C'mon Kickstarter of the quarter for $1 a pop, or great historical plastics for a similar price. I'd totally buy them for a price closer to the Kairic Acolytes or the Bloodreavers, but I just will never run out of miniatures that are a higher bang for the buck on the "to buy" list.

c'est la vie. Eventually GW will either price too many people out of the hobby, or they'll bend to competitors bringing new, cheaper games to the table and finally start lowering prices. Either way, it's not happening now and it's not a topic for this thread.

What I'd much rather talk about is... how many people think that the fishes that come with each of the character models are going to be represented by an extra attack on the stat block? I think it's not coincidence that each character has a familiar fish.

**Mr Morden**

NinthMusketeer wrote:
Captain Joystick wrote:
Kanluwen wrote:
The implications from DoK were that Khaine can't fully "die" until his heart is destroyed...and if the Heart were to be destroyed, he would come back. As long as Morathi retains it (and the power going to it since she's his Prophetess/Oracle and stoking up the belief again), she's basically a god in her own right and Khaine can't be brought back.

That wasn't my takeaway. The heart itself appears to be invincible, the seed from which Khaine would grow back if Morathi would leave it to its own devices instead of drinking its blood and sapping its power.
Me as well, Khorne himself couldn't destroy it, and it seems like revival would be more about channelling power into it rather than through it into Morathi.

Agreed - It seems Khaine would revivie if Morathi wasn't syphoning off the power.

p26 of Daughters (the Fate of Khaine) states that all the Aelf gods could possibily reform but they are without worship and whats left of them has or is being consumed - something that Khaine has got - in fact he has a massive cult spanning the Realms but all that power is going to Morathi.

**pm713**

Albino Squirrel wrote:
pm713 wrote:
Not really. They have no predator god, fallen civilisation, soul stones, infinity circuits, wraith constructs or path system.

The similarity is making cities with singing things, weird stuff with souls and pointy ears.

Their souls were eaten by Slaanesh, so they have the same predator god as the Eldar. Isn't a soul bank the same thing as an infinity circuit? And they presumably have something like soul stones to keep the souls of their dead and get them into the soul bank. Except they take the souls out to use for themselves instead of putting them in robots.

Just sounds like the borrowed a few elements from the Eldar, like the bonesinging to build things and the saving of souls.

They got their souls back. For Eldar it's an eternity of torture.

No. An infinity circuit is a resting place for the dead and power source.

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Mr Morden wrote:
NinthMusketeer wrote:
Captain Joystick wrote:
Kanluwen wrote:
The implications from DoK were that Khaine can't fully "die" until his heart is destroyed...and if the Heart were to be destroyed, he would come back. As long as Morathi retains it (and the power going to it since she's his Prophetess/Oracle and stoking up the belief again), she's basically a god in her own right and Khaine can't be brought back.

That wasn't my takeaway. The heart itself appears to be invincible, the seed from which Khaine would grow back if Morathi would leave it to its own devices instead of drinking its blood and sapping its power.
Me as well, Khorne himself couldn't destroy it, and it seems like revival would be more about channelling power into it rather than through it into Morathi.

Agreed - It seems Khaine would revivie if Morathi wasn't syphoning off the power.

p26 of Daughters (the Fate of Khaine) states that all the Aelf gods could possibily reform but they are without worship and whats left of them has or is being consumed - something that Khaine has got - in fact he has a massive cult spanning the Realms but all that power is going to Morathi.

Is that an elf god thing or a general god thing?

**Captain Joystick**

pm713 wrote:

Mr Morden wrote:
NinthMusketeer wrote:
Captain Joystick wrote:
Kanluwen wrote:
The implications from DoK were that Khaine can't fully "die" until his heart is destroyed...and if the Heart were to be destroyed, he would come back. As long as Morathi retains it (and the power going to it since she's his Prophetess/Oracle and stoking up the belief again), she's basically a god in her own right and Khaine can't be brought back.

That wasn't my takeaway. The heart itself appears to be invincible, the seed from which Khaine would grow back if Morathi would leave it to its own devices instead of drinking its blood and sapping its power.
Me as well, Khorne himself couldn't destroy it, and it seems like revival would be more about channelling power into it rather than through it into Morathi.

Agreed - It seems Khaine would revivie if Morathi wasn't syphoning off the power.

p26 of Daughters (the Fate of Khaine) states that all the Aelf gods could possibily reform but they are without worship and whats left of them has or is being consumed - something that Khaine has got - in fact he has a massive cult spanning the Realms but all that power is going to Morathi.

Is that an elf god thing or a general god thing?

It says that elf gods are cyclical in nature, it doesn't say anything for or against the non-elven gods being able to come back.

**pm713**

I might make some other gods try and come back for my factions then. It'll be an interesting thing for them to do.

**Kanluwen**

Monsters and War Beasts of the Idoneth Deepkin

LEVIADON PROFILE! Wooo!

The Idoneth Deepkin make greater use of monsters and beasts than nearly any other army of Order, making up for their limited numbers and resources with magically enslaved bond-beasts. At their smallest, these may be the bioluminescent creatures that light the undersea enclaves or the familiars that fight alongside the Isharann. At their mightiest, these could be the savage Akhelian Allopexes or even the Akhelian Leviadon.

The bonds that the Idoneth Deepkin share with their beasts is a difficult one. While the Stormcast Eternals and Fyreslayers may possess a deep connection with their draconic allies, the Idoneth Deepkin must magically enslave their bond-beasts using the Embailors, a specialised sect of the Isharann. In order for these magics to take hold, the creatures must be blinded, for without this measure they risk slipping their bonds and escaping in a murderous rampage. There are groups and even whole enclaves of Idoneth Deepkin who trawl the oceans for beasts to hunt and capture, with the Ghurish forces of Dhom-hain training particularly vicious specimens.
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There are some exceptions – a few Ochtar, such as the familiar that fights alongside Lotann, Warden of the Soul Ledgers, have proven loyal, as have the rare Deepmares ridden by Akhelian Kings.

The Idoneth Deepkin present all sorts of opportunities for hobbyists and gamers alike, boasting a rich stable of monstrous creatures to build your army on – take an Akhelian King as your general, and you could even field an entire mounted phalanx with Fangmora Eel cavalry as Battleline units! If you love using monsters, you’ll find the Idoneth Deepkin a very rewarding force – whether you’re looking to field an army of them or just want to add an allied detachment to your Order army.

The greatest of the Idoneth Deepkin’s monsters is the Akhelian Leviadon – something between an armoured battleship and a dragon. Just check out its stats:

The Akhelian Leviadon plays perfectly to the strengths of the Idoneth Deepkin, shrugging off enemy fire in the earlier turns of the game before making a crushing charge. There are few things that can stand up to an Akhelian Leviadon on the offensive – particularly when you factor in its Jaws of Death:

With only one attack, you’ve just got the one chance each turn to unleash Jaws of Death – but should it go off, you’ll take a considerable chunk out of any unfortunate model’s Wounds in an instant.