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Chopstick wrote:
https://malignportents.com/story/the-price-of-apotheosis/

A closer look into the reforging and why the Stormcast is at risk of losing their humanity?

Oh this just has gotten me back into Age of Sigmar. Life and depression has kept me away but reading this story rekindled what I wanted to do in the beginning of AoS. As much as I hate copying 40K, all I can think of is "Death to the False God. Death to the Coward. Death to Sigmar".

That's pretty much what I do with less of a Chaos vibe and more of a very angry Dwarf vibe.

It’s pleasing to see a more sinister side to the reforging.

There is noting new here. we knew this day one. The reforging process is painful and flawed, scarring the soul.

And also do to nagash's interference in the process.


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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
It’s pleasing to see a more sinister side to the reforging.

The reforging is a painful and flawed process. As sigmar was not able work out all kinks, As he was forced to unleash the stormcast early. To stop chaos form completely conquering the mortal realms and absorbing them into the realm of chaos. (according to Phil kelly during a GW stream)

Also it has been revealed that nagash is interfering with the reforging process somehow.


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Davor wrote:

Chopstick wrote:
https://malignportents.com/story/the-price-of-apotheosis/

A closer look into the reforging and why the Stormcast is at risk of losing their humanity?

Oh this just has gotten me back into Age of Sigmar. Life and depression has kept me away but reading this story rekindled what I wanted to do in the beginning of AoS. As much as I hate copying 40K, all I can think of is "Death to the False God. Death to the Coward. Death to Sigmar".

Sigmar is not a False God or a Coward. If he was a coward he would not have reopened the gates of the heavens and went to war.

I think it is new. Knowing it was painful and flawed is one thing but that's Sigmar actively killing any memory that might make someone question him. It explains why none of the Stormcast ever went "Hey, this jerkface left my people to die along with millions of others! Why should we serve this tyrannical lunatic?"

pm713 wrote:
It explains why none of the Stormcast ever went "Hey, this jerkface left my people to die along with millions of others! Why should we serve this tyrannical lunatic?"

Probably because the alternative was the utter destruction of the Realms.

 His Master's Voice wrote:

pm713 wrote:
It explains why none of the Stormcast ever went "Hey, this jerkface left my people to die along with millions of others! Why should we serve this tyrannical lunatic?"

Probably because the alternative was the utter destruction of the Realms.

That's the result of letting Chaos win. No point in beating Chaos if someone like Sigmar ends up in charge.

Robbie Macniven just broke news on his FB page that he completed a first draft of his latest novel, and first AoS novel. Quote:

it’s about a Chaos Knight, Atavar, as he strives to join the ranks of Archaon’s Varanguard.

pm713 wrote:
I think it is new. Knowing it was painful and flawed is one thing but that's Sigmar actively killing any memory that might make someone question him. It explains why none of the Stormcast ever went "Hey, this jerkface left my people to die along with millions of others! Why should we serve this tyrannical lunatic?"

Sigmar is not actively killing any memory. That is the flaw, It is general memory loss and loss of emotion. And do you read the lore? Sigmar is not a lunatic and he is not tyrannical (I read most of the novels and lore). Do you think Sigmar who specifically chooses heroes would actively destroy what makes them heroes and their personality. That self-sabotage.

If you read the shadespire lore you would know that Sigmar is actively looking for a way to fix the reforging process.

During the beginning of the age of chaos, Sigmar made a choice. Either die fighting a unwinnable fight OR retreat and come back to fight for a brighter tomorrow. He chose the latter. Sigmar tried to get as many people as he could into the realm of heavens before closing the gates.

Knowing it was painful and flawed is one thing but that's Sigmar actively killing any memory that might make someone question him.

I do not believe this is his attempt. A strong soul that is strongly attached to a certain emotions or causes of them, appears to have difficulties with adjusting to a new body. It isn't just Sigmar, the deepkin for instance came out flawed. Khinerai and Melusai as well, only that in their case I'd describe it as accepting those negative soul fragments and working with them, rather than trying to remove them.

How Malerion and Teclis overcome this gnaws my curiosity.

xking wrote:

pm713 wrote:
I think it is new. Knowing it was painful and flawed is one thing but that's Sigmar actively killing any memory that might make someone question him. It explains why none of the Stormcast ever went "Hey, this jerkface left my people to die along with millions of others! Why should we serve this tyrannical lunatic?"

Sigmar is not actively killing any memory. That is the flaw, It is general memory loss and loss of emotion. And do you read the lore? Sigmar is not a lunatic and he is not tyrannical (I read most of the novels and lore). Do you think Sigmar who specifically chooses heroes would actively destroy what makes them heroes and their personality. That self-sabotage.

If you read the shadespire lore you would know that Sigmar is actively looking for a way to fix the reforging process.

During the beginning of the age of chaos, Sigmar made a choice. Either die fighting a unwinnable fight OR retreat and come back to fight for a brighter tomorrow. He chose the latter. Sigmar tried to get as many people as he could into the realm of heavens before closing the gates.

That memory of him seeing his people that Sigmar took him from causing them to all die? That seemed a LOT like erasing things that lead to questioning him. The memory caused him to question Sigmar and that was the flaw in the process. Free thought. You can be a hero and still not question Sigmar.

I read some but not as much as you because of the way GW have done it all.

Honestly this is my issue with AoS. Sigmar seems all too good. It's much more interesting with the outlook that Sigmar IS a tyrant. Which isn't that hard to believe. At the start of the lore there weren't elves around right? Except in Azyrheim, in Sigmars land. Like hostages to ensure the Elf pantheon go along with him.
Grungni and Grimnir are mysteriously chained to an anvil and found by Sigmar with Valaya nowhere to be seen. Seems VERY strange that two gods one of whom is so powerful he held a gateway into Chaos singlehanded ended up chained to an anvil. Unless Sigmar put them there and keeps Valaya somewhere to make sure the others go along with things. Except Grimnir probably wouldn't be cool with his people being hostages and so he had to die fighting a god-beast which seems like something he could handle seeing as even Morathi took one down unless someone helped Vulcatrix.
Nagash is found buried under a heap of stone and gets rescued by Sigmar. Seems ridiculous that a god could be trapped by stone but not so much if Sigmar put him there and freedom was why he joined Sigmar plus that explains why Nagash and Sigmar fight so much despite the threat of Chaos.
Alarielle was apparently woken by Sigmar from a hibernation and that's why she joined him. Odd that Alarielle would be asleep for so long it becomes concerning and I would've thought that a natural sleep could have been helped by the Branchwyches and such. But they can't stop something done to her by a powerful enemy. Like Sigmar. There's that gap in Sylvaneth memories too. Maybe Alarielle tried fighting back and failed and her people have to forget?

 Knight wrote:

Knowing it was painful and flawed is one thing but that's Sigmar actively killing any memory that might make someone question him.

I do not believe this is his attempt. A strong soul that is strongly attached to a certain emotions or causes of them, appears to have difficulties with adjusting to a new body. It isn't just Sigmar, the deepkin for instance came out flawed. Khinerai and Melusai as well, only that in their case I'd describe it as accepting those negative soul fragments and working with them, rather than trying to remove them.

How Malerion and Teclis overcome this gnaws my curiosity.

Sigmar is not actively removing emotions.


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pm713 wrote:

xking wrote:

pm713 wrote:
I think it is new. Knowing it was painful and flawed is one thing but that's Sigmar actively killing any memory that might make someone question him. It explains why none of the Stormcast ever went "Hey, this jerkface left my people to die along with millions of others! Why should we serve this tyrannical lunatic?"

Sigmar is not actively killing any memory. That is the flaw, It is general memory loss and loss of emotion. And do you read the lore? Sigmar is not a lunatic and he is not tyrannical (I read most of the novels and lore). Do you think Sigmar who specifically chooses heroes would actively destroy what makes them heroes and their personality. That self-sabotage.

If you read the shadespire lore you would know that Sigmar is actively looking for a way to fix the reforging process.

During the beginning of the age of chaos, Sigmar made a choice. Either die fighting a unwinnable fight OR retreat and come back to fight for a brighter tomorrow. He chose the latter. Sigmar tried to get as many people as he could into the realm of heavens before closing the gates.

That memory of him seeing his people that Sigmar took him from causing them to all die? That seemed a LOT like erasing things that lead to questioning him. The memory caused him to question Sigmar and that was the flaw in the process. Free thought. You can be a hero and still not question Sigmar.

I read some but not as much as you because of the way GW have done it all.

Honestly this is my issue with AoS. Sigmar seems all too good. It's much more interesting with the outlook that Sigmar IS a tyrant. Which isn't that hard to believe. At the start of the lore there weren't elves around right? Except in Azyrheim, in Sigmars land. Like hostages to ensure the Elf pantheon go along with him.
Grungni and Grimnir are mysteriously chained to an anvil and found by Sigmar with Valaya nowhere to be seen. Seems VERY strange that two gods one of whom is so powerful he held a gateway into Chaos singlehanded ended up chained to an anvil. Unless Sigmar put them there and keeps Valaya somewhere to make sure the others go along with things. Except Grimnir probably wouldn't be cool with his people being hostages and so he had to die fighting a god-beast which seems like something he could handle seeing as even Morathi took one down unless someone helped Vulcatrix.
Nagash is found buried under a heap of stone and gets rescued by Sigmar. Seems ridiculous that a god could be trapped by stone but not so much if Sigmar put him there and freedom was why he joined Sigmar plus that explains why Nagash and Sigmar fight so much despite the threat of Chaos.
Alarielle was apparently woken by Sigmar from a hibernation and that's why she joined him. Odd that Alarielle would be asleep for so long it becomes concerning and I would've thought that a natural sleep could have been helped by the Branchwyches and such. But they can't stop something done to her by a powerful enemy. Like Sigmar. There's that gap in Sylvaneth memories too. Maybe Alarielle tried fighting back and failed and her people have to forget?

Sigmar is the most powerful and noble of the gods. This is not 40k, Sigmar is good, because GW wants that element in the setting.

Valaya was devoured by nagash during the end times and as for Grungni and Grimnir, Sigmar found them like that, When sigmar freed them, they swore an oath to. Grimnir swore to be his slayer and demanded fight something immediately(not all gods or god-beast are equal in power) and Grungni swore to be his smith. The aelves are not hostages. The lore is what it is, Not your head canon.

If you think everything has be dark and edgy to be interesting. That is your preference. I think it is refreshing that everything is not grimdark.

xking wrote:
There is noting new here. we knew this day one. The reforging process is painful and flawed, scarring the soul.

And also do to nagash's interference in the process.


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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
It’s pleasing to see a more sinister side to the reforging.

The reforging is a painful and flawed process. As sigmar was not able work out all kinks, As he was forced to unleash the stormcast early. To stop chaos form completely conquering the mortal realms and absorbing them into the realm of chaos. (according to Phil kelly during a GW stream)

Also it has been revealed that nagash is interfering with the reforging process somehow.


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Davor wrote:

Chopstick wrote:
https://malignportents.com/story/the-price-of-apotheosis/

A closer look into the reforging and why the Stormcast is at risk of losing their humanity?

Oh this just has gotten me back into Age of Sigmar. Life and depression has kept me away but reading this story rekindled what I wanted to do in the beginning of AoS. As much as I hate copying 40K, all I can think of is "Death to the False God. Death to the Coward. Death to Sigmar".

Sigmar is not a False God or a Coward. If he was a coward he would not have reopened the gates of the heavens and went to war.

I find it amusing how when GW releases fluff with new info there are so often people who try to wave their epeens and claim there is no new info (because they are so well informed they knew it already). There IS new information, we didn't previously know there were Stormcast who stood guard to bind & restrain souls that resisted reforging, or even that reforging could be resisted to such a dramatic degree. And to head off the classic counterpoints; no, 'implied' or 'assumed' does not count because it isn't the same as explicit.

As for Sigmar I agree he is totally a good god, but being good doesn't mean flawless. Also it's important to remember there is a big difference between an in-universe presective of a Nagash or Chaos worshipper and the more objective reader's perspective.

"Lawful good doesn't mean lawful nice."

 NinthMusketeer wrote:

xking wrote:
There is noting new here. we knew this day one. The reforging process is painful and flawed, scarring the soul.

And also do to nagash's interference in the process.


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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
It’s pleasing to see a more sinister side to the reforging.

The reforging is a painful and flawed process. As sigmar was not able work out all kinks, As he was forced to unleash the stormcast early. To stop chaos form completely conquering the mortal realms and absorbing them into the realm of chaos. (according to Phil kelly during a GW stream)

Also it has been revealed that nagash is interfering with the reforging process somehow.


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Davor wrote:

Chopstick wrote:
https://malignportents.com/story/the-price-of-apotheosis/

A closer look into the reforging and why the Stormcast is at risk of losing their humanity?

Oh this just has gotten me back into Age of Sigmar. Life and depression has kept me away but reading this story rekindled what I wanted to do in the beginning of AoS. As much as I hate copying 40K, all I can think of is "Death to the False God. Death to the Coward. Death to Sigmar".

Sigmar is not a False God or a Coward. If he was a coward he would not have reopened the gates of the heavens and went to war.

I find it amusing how when GW releases fluff with new info there are so often people who try to wave their epeens and claim there is no new info (because they are so well informed they knew it already). There IS new information, we didn't previously know there were Stormcast who stood guard to bind & restrain souls that resisted reforging, or even that reforging could be resisted to such a dramatic degree. And to head off the classic counterpoints; no, 'implied' or 'assumed' does not count because it isn't the same as explicit.

As for Sigmar I agree he is totally a good god, but being good doesn't mean flawless. Also it's important to remember there is a big difference between an in-universe presective of a Nagash or Chaos worshipper and the more objective reader's perspective.

Very well, that bit is new. I don't think he is resisting the reforging(knowingly anyway). The story seems to indicate something is wrong with the souls, as it is taking longer then usual for them to be reforged. And we know that nagash is interfering with the reforging process somehow. I think he maybe doing something to the souls or pulling at them more strongly.

pm713 wrote:

xking wrote:

pm713 wrote:
I think it is new. Knowing it was painful and flawed is one thing but that's Sigmar actively killing any memory that might make someone question him. It explains why none of the Stormcast ever went "Hey, this jerkface left my people to die along with millions of others! Why should we serve this tyrannical lunatic?"

Sigmar is not actively killing any memory. That is the flaw, It is general memory loss and loss of emotion. And do you read the lore? Sigmar is not a lunatic and he is not tyrannical (I read most of the novels and lore). Do you think Sigmar who specifically chooses heroes would actively destroy what makes them heroes and their personality. That self-sabotage.

If you read the shadespire lore you would know that Sigmar is actively looking for a way to fix the reforging process.

During the beginning of the age of chaos, Sigmar made a choice. Either die fighting a unwinnable fight OR retreat and come back to fight for a brighter tomorrow. He chose the latter. Sigmar tried to get as many people as he could into the realm of heavens before closing the gates.

That memory of him seeing his people that Sigmar took him from causing them to all die? That seemed a LOT like erasing things that lead to questioning him. The memory caused him to question Sigmar and that was the flaw in the process. Free thought. You can be a hero and still not question Sigmar.

I read some but not as much as you because of the way GW have done it all.

Honestly this is my issue with AoS. Sigmar seems all too good. It's much more interesting with the outlook that Sigmar IS a tyrant. Which isn't that hard to believe. At the start of the lore there weren't elves around right? Except in Azyrheim, in Sigmars land. Like hostages to ensure the Elf pantheon go along with him.
Grungni and Grimnir are mysteriously chained to an anvil and found by Sigmar with Valaya nowhere to be seen. Seems VERY strange that two gods one of whom is so powerful he held a gateway into Chaos singlehanded ended up chained to an anvil. Unless Sigmar put them there and keeps Valaya somewhere to make sure the others go along with things. Except Grimnir probably wouldn't be cool with his people being hostages and so he had to die fighting a god-beast which seems like something he could handle seeing as even Morathi took one down unless someone helped Vulcatrix.
Nagash is found buried under a heap of stone and gets rescued by Sigmar. Seems ridiculous that a god could be trapped by stone but not so much if Sigmar put him there and freedom was why he joined Sigmar plus that explains why Nagash and Sigmar fight so much despite the threat of Chaos.
Alarielle was apparently woken by Sigmar from a hibernation and that's why she joined him. Odd that Alarielle would be asleep for so long it becomes concerning and I would've thought that a natural sleep could have been helped by the Branchwyches and such. But they can't stop something done to her by a powerful enemy. Like Sigmar. There's that gap in Sylvaneth memories too. Maybe Alarielle tried fighting back and failed and her people have to forget?

I am... I really have nothing to say. That's some impressive amount of headcanon.

xking wrote:
I don't think he is resisting the reforging(knowingly anyway). The story seems to indicate something is wrong with the souls, as it is taking longer then usual for them to be reforged. And we know that nagash is interfering with the reforging process somehow. I think he maybe doing something to the souls or pulling at them more strongly.

I agree, he doesn't seem to be making a conscious choice to do anything. And like you said we do know Nagash interferes with the reforging process (to me it seems implies that he 'pulls' at souls somehow, which damages or diminishes them) and I think the conclusion that he is doing so more strongly of late has solid standing.

xking wrote:
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Davor wrote:

Chopstick wrote:
https://malignportents.com/story/the-price-of-apotheosis/

A closer look into the reforging and why the Stormcast is at risk of losing their humanity?

Oh this just has gotten me back into Age of Sigmar. Life and depression has kept me away but reading this story rekindled what I wanted to do in the beginning of AoS. As much as I hate copying 40K, all I can think of is "Death to the False God. Death to the Coward. Death to Sigmar".

Sigmar is not a False God or a Coward. If he was a coward he would not have reopened the gates of the heavens and went to war.

Oh I have some more to say. But if you like, we can have this discussion over in the Age of Sigmar forum. If not, I respect your opinion and will say no more. Just so you don't think I ment it as fact, it was in quotes and I said it in character of my minis. Hope this helps.

 NinthMusketeer wrote:

xking wrote:
I don't think he is resisting the reforging(knowingly anyway). The story seems to indicate something is wrong with the souls, as it is taking longer then usual for them to be reforged. And we know that nagash is interfering with the reforging process somehow. I think he maybe doing something to the souls or pulling at them more strongly.

I agree, he doesn't seem to be making a conscious choice to do anything. And like you said we do know Nagash interferes with the reforging process (to me it seems implies that he 'pulls' at souls somehow, which damages or diminishes them) and I think the conclusion that he is doing so more strongly of late has solid standing.

I think this may be why Sigmar wants the shade glass from shadespire. As it can block nagash off from the souls completely.

xking wrote:
Sigmar is not actively removing emotions.

He simply bashes the soul until it's fitting for his process. I find the core of the problem tied to the question of what is a soul in AoS and what laws govern it. At the moment I don't know how else to explain the diminishing humanity/increase apathy of SCE.

The problem is he takes souls that have literally just died (and are still suffering death-trauma) and then beats the stuffing out of them some more in order to make them fit their shiny new suit.
The natural transmigration of soulstuff is supposed to be life>death>assimilation>dissipation or reincarnation. Sigmar needs to stop skipping the assimilation part and build hisself a Valhalla or something to let his fallen Stormcast relax for a bit before reforging, but using shadeglass to prevent them from dying in the first place is a good stalling tactic.

I gotta say, as someone who knows very little about AoS lore, the fact that people can even have an argument about whether Sigmar is a good guy or not is a very good sign. It tells me that the lore maybe far more interesting than cliched goodies versus baddies.

 Mr_Rose wrote:
The problem is he takes souls that have literally just died (and are still suffering death-trauma) and then beats the stuffing out of them some more in order to make them fit their shiny new suit.
The natural transmigration of soulstuff is supposed to be life>death>assimilation>dissipation or reincarnation. Sigmar needs to stop skipping the assimilation part and build hisself a Valhalla or something to let his fallen Stormcast relax for a bit before reforging, but using shadeglass to prevent them from dying in the first place is a good stalling tactic.

Thing is, Sigmar is a warrior first and foremost. Always has been, even way back as a human. To understand Sigmar's approach one must understand that he approaches everything from that perspective (even when he think's he's being diplomatic or subtle). Sigmar probably perceives the Stormcast process as incredibly intricate as it is and doesn't understand the kind of subtleties that could improve it. Note that when Azyr was first closed off Sigmar's approach to banishing corruption was more or less to kill anyone engaging in any sort of unrest for any reason. Of course, it did work...

Or in other words, what you said.

 MonkeyBallistic wrote:
I gotta say, as someone who knows very little about AoS lore, the fact that people can even have an argument about whether Sigmar is a good guy or not is a very good sign. It tells me that the lore maybe far more interesting than cliched goodies versus baddies.

There is definately quite a bit of the "end justifies the means" in AOS - the Battletomes are quite a bit more Black and white but even they have hints, notes and bits and pieces of this.

Sigmar is not totally good, but then even Nagash is not totally evil. Grungni in Spear of Shadows talks about some fo the flaws in Sigmar's plans and that he tends to assume that everyone is like him and does not need to explain things.

The Alliance of Order includes bloodthirsty Witch Aelves and their Medusae kin, the soul stealing Deepkin, fanatical witchunters and Church members and brutal, uncaring Stormcast.

 Mr_Rose wrote:
The problem is he takes souls that have literally just died (and are still suffering death-trauma) and then beats the stuffing out of them some more in order to make them fit their shiny new suit.
The natural transmigration of soulstuff is supposed to be life>death>assimilation>dissipation or reincarnation. Sigmar needs to stop skipping the assimilation part and build hisself a Valhalla or something to let his fallen Stormcast relax for a bit before reforging, but using shadeglass to prevent them from dying in the first place is a good stalling tactic.

I quite agree. I wonder how the Teclis's light kin turned out, considering the time difference between them and the deepkin shouldn't be that vast.

 Knight wrote:

 Mr_Rose wrote:
The problem is he takes souls that have literally just died (and are still suffering death-trauma) and then beats the stuffing out of them some more in order to make them fit their shiny new suit.
The natural transmigration of soulstuff is supposed to be life>death>assimilation>dissipation or reincarnation. Sigmar needs to stop skipping the assimilation part and build hisself a Valhalla or something to let his fallen Stormcast relax for a bit before reforging, but using shadeglass to prevent them from dying in the first place is a good stalling tactic.

I quite agree. I wonder how the Teclis's light kin turned out, considering the time difference between them and the deepkin shouldn't be that vast.

The problem with the souls retrieved from Slaanesh is that they have all been damaged by the experience.

xking wrote:

 Knight wrote:

Knowing it was painful and flawed is one thing but that's Sigmar actively killing any memory that might make someone question him.

I do not believe this is his attempt. A strong soul that is strongly attached to a certain emotions or causes of them, appears to have difficulties with adjusting to a new body. It isn't just Sigmar, the deepkin for instance came out flawed. Khinerai and Melusai as well, only that in their case I'd describe it as accepting those negative soul fragments and working with them, rather than trying to remove them.

How Malerion and Teclis overcome this gnaws my curiosity.

Sigmar is not actively removing emotions.


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pm713 wrote:

xking wrote:

pm713 wrote:
I think it is new. Knowing it was painful and flawed is one thing but that's Sigmar actively killing any memory that might make someone question him. It explains why none of the Stormcast ever went "Hey, this jerkface left my people to die along with millions of others! Why should we serve this tyrannical lunatic?"

Sigmar is not actively killing any memory. That is the flaw, It is general memory loss and loss of emotion. And do you read the lore? Sigmar is not a lunatic and he is not tyrannical (I read most of the novels and lore). Do you think Sigmar who specifically chooses heroes would actively destroy what makes them heroes and their personality. That self-sabotage.

If you read the shadespire lore you would know that Sigmar is actively looking for a way to fix the reforging process.

During the beginning of the age of chaos, Sigmar made a choice. Either die fighting a unwinnable fight OR retreat and come back to fight for a brighter tomorrow. He chose the latter. Sigmar tried to get as many people as he could into the realm of heavens before closing the gates.

That memory of him seeing his people that Sigmar took him from causing them to all die? That seemed a LOT like erasing things that lead to questioning him. The memory caused him to question Sigmar and that was the flaw in the process. Free thought. You can be a hero and still not question Sigmar.

I read some but not as much as you because of the way GW have done it all.

Honestly this is my issue with AoS. Sigmar seems all too good. It's much more interesting with the outlook that Sigmar IS a tyrant. Which isn't that hard to believe. At the start of the lore there weren't elves around right? Except in Azyrheim, in Sigmars land. Like hostages to ensure the Elf pantheon go along with him.
Grungni and Grimnir are mysteriously chained to an anvil and found by Sigmar with Valaya nowhere to be seen. Seems VERY strange that two gods one of whom is so powerful he held a gateway into Chaos singlehanded ended up chained to an anvil. Unless Sigmar put them there and keeps Valaya somewhere to make sure the others go along with things. Except Grimnir probably wouldn't be cool with his people being hostages and so he had to die fighting a god-beast which seems like something he could handle seeing as even Morathi took one down unless someone helped Vulcatrix.
Nagash is found buried under a heap of stone and gets rescued by Sigmar. Seems ridiculous that a god could be trapped by stone but not so much if Sigmar put him there and freedom was why he joined Sigmar plus that explains why Nagash and Sigmar fight so much despite the threat of Chaos.
Alarielle was apparently woken by Sigmar from a hibernation and that's why she joined him. Odd that Alarielle would be asleep for so long it becomes concerning and I would've thought that a natural sleep could have been helped by the Branchwyches and such. But they can't stop something done to her by a powerful enemy. Like Sigmar. There's that gap in Sylvaneth memories too. Maybe Alarielle tried fighting back and failed and her people have to forget?

Sigmar is the most powerful and noble of the gods. This is not 40k, Sigmar is good, because GW wants that element in the setting.

Valaya was devoured by nagash during the end times and as for Grungni and Grimnir, Sigmar found them like that, When sigmar freed them, they swore an oath to. Grimnir swore to be his slayer and demanded fight something immediately(not all gods or god-beast are equal in power) and Grungni swore to be his smith. The aelves are not hostages. The lore is what it is, Not your head canon.

If you think everything has be dark and edgy to be interesting. That is your preference. I think it is refreshing that everything is not grimdark.

It doesn't have to be dark and edgy to be interesting but it's stupid the way GW presents it. Oh Sigmar is the bestest. All these other gods were saved from things by him and made friends. I know the lore is what it is. The reason people have head canon is because they make their own narrative. It's not like GW can complain.

it's stupid the way GW presents it. Oh Sigmar is the bestest. All these other gods were saved from things by him and made friends. I know the lore is what it is.

Then why not accurately describe it? This I'm pretending to be slowed shorthand people use when talking about background pretty much ruins the conversation.

So does being rude and dismissive of people.

I wonder what happens to the unusable part of the soul? Where does it go? Is there a pile of damaged soul fragments in a back room somewhere?