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 Seneca wrote:
I don't think that the "skaven ghosts" are such. Their skulls look more like horse skulls.

Skull fits with Skaven skulls as shown before. Their heads are a bit more elongated than you might think, since they tend to have their neck tucked into their chest to protect it.

Aren73 wrote:
While I do agree there is something horse like about the skaven ghost skulls they also have hands with fingers, which is decidedly not horse like

They might not be skaven but their own thing, absolutely, it's their backs, pose and weapons that are reminiscient of skaven but I don't think it makes sense that hordes of nobodies which is what skaven are, become undead elite troops, judging by unit size, upon death.

We'll have to wait and see. While I hope for more info today I doubt we'll get much more.

Yeah, it's the hunch that really makes me think Skaven, but I wouldn't be surprised at all if they weren't.


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Aren73 wrote:
Some form of change to the double turn - yep, please do something to it, maybe not take it out completely but somehow minimise the negative effect on the player that loses out.

I hate the double turn so much. It means I auto-take turn 2 if I pick, and auto-win if I get the double. I distinctly remember every game with my tourney army in which I got the round 1-2 double and still lost, because both times I made a critical error and totally deserved it.

From Garro on Facebook

New Black Coach

Nice.

That's either a really long coach or a really short base.

Is that the longest oval base GW makes? Anybody got an eye for this kind of thing?

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2018/05/11/warhammer-fest-live-blog-2gw-homepage-post-1/?utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=Facebook&utm_campaign=AOS&utm_content=LiveBlogSun1400

Here's a clip of Brian Blessed's role as Gotrek.

That Black Coach is very cool.

That's a cool model.

Might buy that audio drama.

Lord Kragan wrote:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2018/05/11/warhammer-fest-live-blog-2gw-homepage-post-1/?utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=Facebook&utm_campaign=AOS&utm_content=LiveBlogSun1400

Here's a clip of Brian Blessed's role as Gotrek.

I'm sold on this idea now.

Seathed Sword, Red Grail yep i keep getting vibes Isabella it's the Mortarch of Grief coming soon.

 Geifer wrote:
That's either a really long coach or a really short base.

Is that the longest oval base GW makes? Anybody got an eye for this kind of thing?

There are more shots by Garro (here's where I saw them: https://spikeybits.com/2018/05/new-pics-for-nighthaunts-black-coach-spotted.html). It looks like a knight base. IE the coach is very very long!

Looking at my Knight right now. That's... big. Boy.

That coach looks amazing. Some great new stuff shown for AOS over the weekend.

Steve

Am I right in my expert research that the original Black Coach came out in 1999?

That a long damn time!

Mmmm. No matter how much I want to like the models, I am just not a fan of the new "animated sneezes" ghost aesthetic.

So that's Warhammerfest done and dusted and boy do we have a lot coming. In just barely a month we have:

A new edition for AoS
A new chamber for Stormcast
A huge update for the Nighthaunts army
Models to represent spells in AoS
New scenery
New objective markers
New dice


....wow

Did I miss anything?

Technical paints to paint the animated sneezes (this should be a thing from now on ).

Ah yeah the technical paints, I like the idea but as with most things like that (like the gem paints) taking the time to blend it normally will yield better results.

Though no doubt they will help with speed painting of ghost for some people.

And don't encourage him/her! Animated sneezes are not a thing!

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
How about we break the usual cycle and actually wait and see the new rules and play a few games before passing judgement? You know, just for a change?

I'm sure it will be an improvement, especially if you enjoy either Warhammer. If you are an AoS fan now you will probably love and be excited by 2nd ed AoS.
If you are disillusioned and/or fed up with how GW write rules this will not be the well written and balanced game you wish GW could make if they cared about that (definitely not the game you don't believe them capable of anymore).

 DarkBlack wrote:

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
How about we break the usual cycle and actually wait and see the new rules and play a few games before passing judgement? You know, just for a change?

I'm sure it will be an improvement, especially if you enjoy either Warhammer. If you are and AoS fan now you will probably love and be excited by 2nd ed AoS.
If you are disillusioned and/or fed up with how GW write rules this will not be the well written and balanced game you wish GW could make if they cared about that (definitely not the game you don't believe them capable of anymore).

AoS has become pretty successful so far over its short lifetime - the ruleset has had some changes but overall has remained largelly the same, meaning that it's not a bad set of rules for a fun quick game that we're sitting on now. I believe, from everything we've heard, that the changes will improve what we have even if just a bit, meaning that AoS is going to get better. Maybe not as much as some might want it to, but an already decent game will become even better and for me that's something to be excited about.

 silverstu wrote:


Yeah there are the strange female ghosts with flowing hair with roses in and seemingly scythes for arms?From the teaser -they may be flying..

You mean these girls? It's weird, I don't remember other female looking ghosts but I was probably way too distracted with the ridiculous amount of shinies everywhere.

The ones with the scythe arms are in the video, definitely another unit.

Whereas these might be Shadespire models (at least the ones on the right) either that or death will be getting some form of new bases, maybe?

I think the tombstones etc are just the supports for the floaty ghosts in the same way as the existing spirit hosts are supported by the skeletions they're coming out of

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
I think the tombstones etc are just the supports for the floaty ghosts in the same way as the existing spirit hosts are supported by the skeletions they're coming out of

I see what you mean but there are also flagstones, flowers, a fully built up base can be seen on some. Look at the rider ones too. Of course this could just be elaborate basing on part of whoever put them together but that isn't GW style, unless it comes in a kit. So options we have are:

A) those are Shadespire models
B) there will be a new set of AoS bases
C) there will be a new set of basing materials
or
D) those models just happen to have really elaborate, built up supports that take up the whole base (I doubt this one)

Aren73 wrote:

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
I think the tombstones etc are just the supports for the floaty ghosts in the same way as the existing spirit hosts are supported by the skeletions they're coming out of

I see what you mean but there are also flagstones, flowers, a fully built up base can be seen on some. Look at the rider ones too. Of course this could just be elaborate basing on part of whoever put them together but that isn't GW style, unless it comes in a kit. So options we have are:

A) those are Shadespire models

None of them have a noose around their necks nor wield a longsword.

Aren73 wrote:

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
I think the tombstones etc are just the supports for the floaty ghosts in the same way as the existing spirit hosts are supported by the skeletions they're coming out of

I see what you mean but there are also flagstones, flowers, a fully built up base can be seen on some. Look at the rider ones too. Of course this could just be elaborate basing on part of whoever put them together but that isn't GW style, unless it comes in a kit. So options we have are:

A) those are Shadespire models
B) there will be a new set of AoS bases
C) there will be a new set of basing materials
or
D) those models just happen to have really elaborate, built up supports that take up the whole base (I doubt this one)

Well, they were together with the rest of the army and they gave no indication of Shadespire. They aren't the first spirit with a very complete base either, the spirit host has some years now, and it was already pretty good

Spirit hosts have a tombstone, little candle altar and skeletons which take up give or take 15-20% of their base.

The first two ghosts shown in the picture of the cabinet above have tombstones, flagstones and roses that take up 100% of their base (from what it looks like).

To me at least the difference is pretty large, it's like the "insert currently unknown unit name here" get cast bases like the Necromancer, Cairn Wraith or Tomb Banshee models.

Essentially I'm finding it very hard to find traditional basing techniques used by GW on those models, like grass, scatter pebbles and their texture basing paints. Maybe the one in the back has that, possibly, can't quite make out. The others have flagstones and roses that cover their base.

Maybe they are just an elaborate stand or loads of extra bits on the ghost sprue, it's not impossible. But it's possible that they are fully cast bases and that's what it looks like to me.

By your logic, the Knight Venator/Knight Azyros were made for Shadespire too since they have a "fairly complete base".

The other part you're ignoring/forgetting is this is the studio display army so of course it has a coherent and complete basing setup. The Necromancer, Cairn Wraith, and Tomb Banshees were part of a release era for heroes who got pretty specific bases that in many cases were part of the actual design of the model. They haven't been doing too much of that of late. It trends now towards there being a thing the model is linked to and then you can do whatever you want.

The roses and flagstones very well might actually be part of the sprues for those units(because that's what these things are: units) like we saw for the stuff for Idoneth.

By my logic I gave 4 different options a few posts up for what it could be of which Shadespire is only one, you might be thinking I'm saying these are only Shadespire because Lord Kragan decided to only partially quote me earlier.

Also, you mention the studio display army, except the rest of the studio display army has different bases, which are exactly how I described earlier: a texture basing paint (agrellan something) , some grass, maybe some small rocks and bits of scatter that come on the sprue. None of the other studio bases have flagstones, which cover the bases of these guys. So, actually, they're not coherent with the rest of the studio army.

Moreover, no other bases seen in the range have a raised, slanted "hill" (for lack of a better word, you get what I mean I'm sure) as the second ghost from the right in the picture above. That is again, either a cast bit of terrain or model bits on the sprue that take up the whole base (which I don't remember any kits having, usually it's just scatter).

Point is, plenty of models have scenic bits on the sprue that are either optional or not, but they are usually scatter scenery bits that take up around 20% of the base area. These bits take up pretty much the whole base.

And to reiterate: I'm not saying these must therefore be shadespire, but that they could possibly be shadespire, especially that like the dude in the shadespire card we saw their faces are covered (though yes, no sword or noose).

There’s no way everything for Stormcast that has a scenic base is for shadespire (Warmachine and 2 Stormcast sprue, 3 Stormcast with massive ranged weapons, a Gryph hound and a lion mount thingy). And the ghosts don’t match the art from the shadespire card we saw. Maybe they’re from the starter, not shadespire.