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 Kanluwen wrote:

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Holy god, that is some awkward wording.

They easily could have said "After this model has moved, each unit it passed over and each unit within 1" at the end of it's move, suffers D3 mortal wounds."

It's almost like an essay from school where you're missing 15 words and just throw more in to make up the difference.

but that would lead to arguments about whether it actually has any effect on units where it misses all the models but does move through the space occupied (nope)

and whether a unit it passes across but ends up within 1" of gets 2x D3 mortal wounds (nope)

(although I do agree the wording is awkward)

The model itself looks big enough that it shouldn't have any issue from models being spaced too far apart in a unit though. I feel like the way it's worded now is going to lead to more arguments than a more simplified wording would.

It's also not proof read. Goodie.

That wording is so, so terrible.

I am going to have a crack at writing it better.

When this model moves, place a marker next to any unit that this model passes across. At the end of its movement, each unit with a marker, and each unit within 1" of this model, suffer d3 mortal wounds. In addition, subtract 1 from the bravery for each unit that had a marker placed next to it by this model until the end of the battle round. At the end of the Battle round, remove all markers placed by this model.

lots of salt but faeit 212 is suggesting this is the new AoS starter contents



If so, bring me my skellibones

 Red_Five wrote:
That wording is so, so terrible.

I am going to have a crack at writing it better.

When this model moves, place a marker next to any unit that this model passes across. At the end of its movement, each unit with a marker, and each unit within 1" of this model, suffer d3 mortal wounds. In addition, subtract 1 from the bravery for each unit that had a marker placed next to it by this model until the end of the battle round. At the end of the Battle round, remove all markers placed by this model.

It is, but this is GW, not Fantasy Flight. They typically don’t use markers. I would go with something like this:

This model can freely move over units. At the end of this model’s movement, each unit within 1” and any unit it moved over suffers D3 mortal wounds. In addition, any unit that suffered mortal wounds from this model also suffers a -1 penalty to Bravery.

Really you just need to replace “that has” with “containing” to make it flow much more smoothly:
“After this model has moved, each unit containing any models it passed across, and each other unit that is within 1" of it at the end of its move, suffers D3 mortal wounds. In addition, subtract 1 from the Bravery characteristic of each unit that contains any models it passed across during its movement, until the end of the battle round.”

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
lots of salt but faeit 212 is suggesting this is the new AoS starter contents
If so, bring me my skellibones

I wouldn't be surprised, although I think the female Knight Incantor model from the faction focus warscroll could be in there as well.

GoatboyBeta wrote:

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
lots of salt but faeit 212 is suggesting this is the new AoS starter contents
If so, bring me my skellibones

I wouldn't be surprised, although I think the female Knight Incantor model from the faction focus warscroll could be in there as well.

Exactly, this is the Starter set's content + the female K-I, and the Nighthaunt wizard Guardian of Souls (with the green lantern on a pole).

 HorticulusDK wrote:

GoatboyBeta wrote:

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
lots of salt but faeit 212 is suggesting this is the new AoS starter contents
If so, bring me my skellibones

I wouldn't be surprised, although I think the female Knight Incantor model from the faction focus warscroll could be in there as well.

Exactly, this is the Starter set's content + the female K-I, and the Nighthaunt wizard Guardian of Souls (with the green lantern on a pole).

If that is the case, that's quite the hefty load of minis for a starter box, I'd be very impressed. I'd have guessed a mounted character, and 2 units at most, not so many on foot characters/elites, as they like to sell those $35 clamshells so bad.

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
lots of salt but faeit 212 is suggesting this is the new AoS starter contents



If so, bring me my skellibones

Yeah, they're "suggesting it" because of speculation here and elsewhere that those are the contents because the sculptors were on hand with most of those specific models behind them on a placard

Maybe it is, maybe it isn't--but it's really just Faeit being Faeit and stealing speculation as "fact".

It's all just speculation.

However more likely than anything else we've seen not because of the placard but because these were the units detailed in the faction focus. Not only that but it seems a reasonable bunch of models for a starter set. The heroes are a bit more iffy but the rest seems like the obvious choice, from what we've seen anyway.

This is the most reasonable suggestion for starter box contents I've seen thus far.

Food for thought- those models plus the incantor is 53 models, same as Dark Imperium, unless these beers are messing woth my math slills.

 faeslayer wrote:
Food for thought- those models plus the incantor is 53 models, same as Dark Imperium, unless these beers are messing woth my math slills.

Those models also give a huuuuuge advantage in Wounds to the Stormcast side, to the point where the Nighthaunt would need to be doubled in its weedier stuff to par it up.
You're also looking at 3 Nighthaunt Heroes vs 2 Stormcast and 3 Nighthaunt units vs 4 Stormcast units.

I'm at the point where I rank Faeit as less reliable than any random poster. Because in my experience it is.

If you start numbering from left to right and top to bottom then I say Nighthaunt get 1,5,6,10 and the Stormcast get 3,4,8. At least that is what I think is most likely.

 Gallahad wrote:
If you start numbering from left to right and top to bottom then I say Nighthaunt get 1,5,6,10 and the Stormcast get 3,4,8. At least that is what I think is most likely.

Not sure what this post is referring to. I think the set will also contain the two wizards. As far wound count, at a guess I would put a slight advantage to the nighthaunt side.
Battleline would be 20 wounds against 16 (2 each for the Stormcast). Elite is 18 versus 19 (assuming 3 wounds for the wizards) heroes would be 15 versus 5 but stormcast get the warmarchine which might be 5 or 6. The two mounted characters will be similar, say 8 each. That would make 61 wounds for nighthaunt versus 54 for stormcast.
That would make 54 minis. One more than dark imperium.

Looking at the minis you can see several pairs of identical minis. Like dark imperium I think you will get one duplicated sprue and two unique sprue for each faction.
Further evidence can be seen in the Warhammerfest displays. There were two lord executioner sculpts, two knight Incantor sculpts, two versions of the nighthaunt wizards and alternative versions of the stormcast warmarchine, wizards and sequitors.
This strongly suggests one individual set for each and one for the starter.

I just hope it is like the Dark Imperium box with the full rule book, I loved that format.

Also I would be very happy if they did a starter with an equal amount of points for both sides. Even if is a weird number like 968 that forces you to buy some units to round it to 1000 but at least a balanced one.

And if not, a way to balance it with the scenarios, but anyways, they have my money.

It will probably come with the rulebook but also be more expensive, same as Dark Imperium.

I wonder how and in what capacity the ghost knight kits will be released. Their bases are sculpted which perplexes me...what exactly are they meant to be?

Aren73 wrote:
It will probably come with the rulebook but also be more expensive, same as Dark Imperium.

I wonder how and in what capacity the ghost knight kits will be released. Their bases are sculpted which perplexes me...what exactly are they meant to be?

If they're not in the starter probably an easy to build set with sculpted bases like the Shadespire models get.

Which seems a bit weird to me as these are nice, large, impressive models. Kind of like the dracothan guard stormcast guys, they seem like an equivalent to those for Nighthaunt.

I wouldn't see GW putting dracothian guard in an easy to build set. Why would they? These don't seem like models that are the core of your army, rather ones that are an expansion to an already existing force.


I don't know....they seem a bit too impressive/good to be made into a starter easy to build set.

Then again there is an easy to build redemptor dreadnaught...so who knows

 Binabik15 wrote:

Aren73 wrote:
It will probably come with the rulebook but also be more expensive, same as Dark Imperium.

I wonder how and in what capacity the ghost knight kits will be released. Their bases are sculpted which perplexes me...what exactly are they meant to be?

If they're not in the starter probably an easy to build set with sculpted bases like the Shadespire models get.

Or it's new bases being shown off.
40k has a few different sets of sculpted bases while AoS just has the Shattered Dominion set.

Aren73 wrote:
It will probably come with the rulebook but also be more expensive, same as Dark Imperium.

I wonder how and in what capacity the ghost knight kits will be released. Their bases are sculpted which perplexes me...what exactly are they meant to be?

You’re assuming that it has a rule book instead of just a pamphlet again.

Chikout wrote:

 Gallahad wrote:
If you start numbering from left to right and top to bottom then I say Nighthaunt get 1,5,6,10 and the Stormcast get 3,4,8. At least that is what I think is most likely.

Not sure what this post is referring to. I think the set will also contain the two wizards. As far wound count, at a guess I would put a slight advantage to the nighthaunt side.
Battleline would be 20 wounds against 16 (2 each for the Stormcast). Elite is 18 versus 19 (assuming 3 wounds for the wizards) heroes would be 15 versus 5 but stormcast get the warmarchine which might be 5 or 6. The two mounted characters will be similar, say 8 each. That would make 61 wounds for nighthaunt versus 54 for stormcast.
That would make 54 minis. One more than dark imperium.

Looking at the minis you can see several pairs of identical minis. Like dark imperium I think you will get one duplicated sprue and two unique sprue for each faction.

You can also see 'several pairs of identical minis' when you're talking about actual boxed sets. The Chainrasp Hordes, when shown off in that set of 20, looked to me to be more of what you'd see from an actual boxed set.

Further evidence can be seen in the Warhammerfest displays. There were two lord executioner sculpts, two knight Incantor sculpts, two versions of the nighthaunt wizards and alternative versions of the stormcast warmarchine, wizards and sequitors.
This strongly suggests one individual set for each and one for the starter.

Or it suggests that a few of the kits will have different builds.

The Knight Incantors, I'll grant you, totally seem to be one for the starter(the female) and one for general release(the male with Infinity Gauntlet that hasn't been shown by GW proper yet). The Nighthaunt Wizards are two different builds per GW itself, the Stormcast Warmachine has only had one version shown(but a couple different versions of the crew), the Sequitors have had two different builds for the kit shown(sword+shield, weird mace+shield), and the Wizards have a second kit build that was seen at the event as well.

The Heraldor has two different models (for some unknown reason, same equipment and everything) both released outside the starter.

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
The Heraldor has two different models (for some unknown reason, same equipment and everything) both released outside the starter.

To be fair, one of them got moved to Direct Only when the other came out. I can't remember which one came first but there's only one of the two models available in shops the other has to be special ordered.

Edit: So Knight-Heraldor 2(the direct only one) was the first one released. He's in the Arcane Heroes pack for Silver Tower as well.

Isn’t the Heraldor the sculpt that was so universally mocked they changed it?