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Leggy wrote:

 Ouze wrote:
So, correct me if I'm wrong, but this means essentially Necrons got 2 individual monopose kits in terms of model support from Jan 2015 though presumably 2018?

At least you're definitely getting something. Dark Eldar and Tau don't seem that lucky

But... Imperial Knight?


Feels weird that AoS has more coherent releases now...

Imperial Knight makes sense fro the point if view of an Imperial knight book. Give it 3-4 weapon configurations and then you have 8-9 data sheets to put in a codex, not to mention if you want to add something to be the Sacristans or Tech Priests that maintain them.
Isn't that about the same as the Custodes will have?

It does seem odd that they are previewing the model (so it'll be out within 3 months per GW's current policy wont it?) yet they don't mention a codex, but GW do make some decisions that appear odd initially, yet frequently involve cool models and work out in the end.
(for casual players at least - cant talk about competitive balance)

It’s quite absurd that three Xenos codices are coming out with exactly one new model, and the main model release is Imperial. And the Tau codex cover is literally a pallette swap of the last one.

 Verviedi wrote:
And the Tau codex cover is literally a pallette swap of the last one.

The DE and Necron codex also have the same cover as their 7th ed. counterparts. That seems pretty lazy.

All the codex books barring Space Marines (primaris cover) and Death Guard (new book) have reused covers. It's not lazy so much as they're pinching the pennies and not spending on new cover art.


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 An Actual Englishman wrote:
The current cryptek has different options right? This models has new options, apparently.

The current cryptek has no options.

I figure this new model will introduce maybe one or two additional options and the current finecast model will represent the basic cryptek model in the necron codex, similar to the index.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Sasori wrote:
Damn, that Cryptek is an awesome model. I hope we get a few more Necron Models....

You won't. It's like most of the Codex releases - the book, a token miniature, and done.

One does wonder what the new mini-Knight is meant to go with? AdMech got their book.

Indeed - only different coloured Marines got the new stuff.

A proper Knight Household Codex could be a really interesting read, have lots of models - security and maintenance crews, nobles and their household guard, some support vehicles and the new mini-Knights.

Mchaagen wrote:
All the codex books barring Space Marines (primaris cover) and Death Guard (new book) have reused covers. It's not lazy so much as they're pinching the pennies and not spending on new cover art.

I think it's lazy, given the time frame and the pricetag.
The index were about delivering the maximum amount of rules (technically all new since it was a new system), at the lowest price point. No new art, picture, or fluff was very acceptable.
The Codex are a lot more expensive, had more time to mature, and a good portion of the rules they contain are already published. Fluff and art are the two things that could justify the cost.
I know there isn't anything new here, that's how codex have been for a while, but I know I'll be bitter when I'll put my new DE codex next to my 7th ed. one, and see the biggest change was actually the name…

I don't like the reused covers either, but I'm pretty sure it's not a decision that was due to being 'lazy.' It could be more an issue of a rushed schedule and/or cost as mentioned already.

The codex release schedule has increased dramatically. That is a significant factor to consider.

fresus wrote:

 Verviedi wrote:
And the Tau codex cover is literally a pallette swap of the last one.

The DE and Necron codex also have the same cover as their 7th ed. counterparts. That seems pretty lazy.

So have you guys just been sleeping through every other release or what? EVERY codex has had the same artwork except space marines and Death Guard.

If you're gonna whine, at least don't make yourself look stupid doing it.

GW is doing so many things so much better than before that people start grasping straws to whine about.

Releasing codexes ~6x faster then before (every 2 weeks rather then every 3 months) comes at a cost.
Not getting new cover art is a tiny price to pay.

Kdash wrote:
As far as i'm aware, GW said ages ago that every faction would have its codex by June? July? and nothing has changed.

I've seen this stated often, but never sourced.

I'd say they are on track to have every faction get their codex treatment by the end of the year, it really depends on how many Age of Sigmar releases they decide to do. The Daughters of Khaine and a second Aelf army (either Shadow Aelves or Light Aelves presumably, note that the Daughters are *not* Malerion's Aelves) will take up at least a month or two in terms of number of releases from what we know and can speculate, then there's at least a one week Legions of Nagash release to come with those Heralds from Malign Portents.

That 100% accurate rumour from a while back stated Harlequins would be after Drukhari, so per the Games Workshop 40K faction page on their website, that would only leave Deathwatch, Space Wolves, Imperial Agents (Assassins, Inquisitors, Ministorum/Sisters of Battle, Sisters of Silence), Imperial Knights, Orks, Ynnari and Genestealer Cults. Still quite a few, especially depending on how they choose to split up all the factions I listed under Imperial Agents. I'd say we'll know for sure by the end of the year if plastic Sisters of Battle (other than Celestine and her Geminae) are actually going to be a thing.

Being perfectly honest, all those factions could be accompanied by model releases. There's a new Knight variant, we know per the rumour engine that there is some kind of wraithbone construct coming (more than likely it will be Ynnari), Hastings or someone else that's super reliable said we are getting Leman Russ, and it's been heavily speculated that Orks aren't getting done any time soon because they are getting a big model release. Genestealer Cults could finally get an Aberrant kit, Deathwatch could get....Primaris Deathwatch, etc. I'm sure at least a handful of the factions won't get anything, it sounds like Dark Eldar aren't getting anything for one unless that wraithbone construct belongs to them.

ERJAK wrote:
Clearly there's no market for Orks. Or else they'd be getting releases.

Right AAE?

Don't know, but given that our latest release was a couple of years ago and we've had regular and complete updates since before then logic dictates there probably is.

Probably a much bigger market, than say for another, all female group of warriors, whose entire line is still metal.

No doubt they're saving our release to tie in with the Wolfies to give them a decent enemy to face.

 Jidmah wrote:
Considering they would have to drop almost half the index due to massive lack in model support, maybe they need the time to produce new models. And to get a clue about how orks are actually supposed to work.

I'd even wait till December if we get decent codex out of it.

Yea I agree. I'll happily wait so long as we get something decent out of it.

We're not too bad in terms of models - new Buggies/Trakks, Painboy on Bike, Big Mek on Bike, full Plastic Warboss (all flavours), DeffKoptas made easily available and we're pretty much there?

I'd say Orks getting at least a few model releases is pretty likely. They're going to be the last major Xenos faction (Genestealer Cults are part of Tyranids/Astra Militarum, Ynnari are part of Craftworlds/Drukhari/Harlequins, etc) to get a codex and that's no coincidence.

 Jidmah wrote:
GW is doing so many things so much better than before that people start grasping straws to whine about.

Sorry what's different I don't notice any difference still no Sisters.

Don't know if GW will pursue a logical path, but after releasing 3 Xenos races in a row, the perfect follow up would be the Deathwatch. Here's hoping.

That small knight is beautifull. I love the normal knights, but they are a bit too big for me. This one will probably be just the maximun size I like for my models, probably Redemptor Dreadnought size?

Would you all rather have these books a year from now as part of a "coherent release" with a new book cover, or get your book now to play with as a stopgap. My understanding was that the codex release schedule was intended to update everyone to 8th ed first and foremost and new models and such would could later.

 bullyboy wrote:
Don't know if GW will pursue a logical path, but after releasing 3 Xenos races in a row, the perfect follow up would be the Deathwatch. Here's hoping.

The perfect follow up and most logical thing to would be to remove Deathwatch as a faction. We have enough Elite Marines. It's become a farce.

In previous generations 40k would get about one codex every two months with an accompanying range of minis. What is interesting this time is that despite the codex releases coming much faster, the mini release schedule has been about the same. In the first 7 months after release we will have 4 ranges of minis; primaris, deathguard, nurgle demons and Custodes.

I am curious what the mini releases for the rest of the year will be. Orks are a very strong candidate as has been rumoured. Assuming we get 5 big waves in the next 10 months that leaves 4. Space wolves? Sisters? New xenos? Emperor's Children? If we got those 5, I don't see too many people complaining.

 An Actual Englishman wrote:

 bullyboy wrote:
Don't know if GW will pursue a logical path, but after releasing 3 Xenos races in a row, the perfect follow up would be the Deathwatch. Here's hoping.

The perfect follow up and most logical thing to would be to remove Deathwatch as a faction. We have enough Elite Marines. It's become a farce.

Going to go with a hard no on that one.

 An Actual Englishman wrote:
We're not too bad in terms of models - new Buggies/Trakks, Painboy on Bike, Big Mek on Bike, full Plastic Warboss (all flavours), DeffKoptas made easily available and we're pretty much there?

In addition to the stuff you already named:
- There are no characters on bikes at all
- One of our most iconic HQs, the KFF big mek is no longer sold by GW.
- All HQ models, banner nob and all named characters except for Warboss Grukk, SAG and MA big mek are previous metal models now sold in finecast.
- Tank bustas and kommandoz also are metal to finecast models
- Big gun lobba and zzap gun are no longer sold by GW, AFAIK the kannon is still a metal model, so it might go away as well.
- Though you can built them without as much as bending a piece of plastic, there are no actual nob bikers sold by GW




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 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

 Jidmah wrote:
GW is doing so many things so much better than before that people start grasping straws to whine about.

Sorry what's different I don't notice any difference still no Sisters.

Does a fish miss the ability to fly in the sky?

 Verviedi wrote:
It’s quite absurd that three Xenos codices are coming out with exactly one new model, and the main model release is Imperial. And the Tau codex cover is literally a pallette swap of the last one.

1. Most of the Codex releases so far have had one new model. This isn't a Xenos-only thing.
2. All the Codex covers are re-used covers from the old books.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Verviedi wrote:
It’s quite absurd that three Xenos codices are coming out with exactly one new model, and the main model release is Imperial. And the Tau codex cover is literally a pallette swap of the last one.

1. Most of the Codex releases so far have had one new model. This isn't a Xenos-only thing.
2. All the Codex covers are re-used covers from the old books.

1. If they’ve had any at all.

NVM. It was an old White Dwarf.

Soooo... Supermancryptekboy. What? I guess it adds options to the codex, but why does he fly? Crypteks didn't fly before. When I was a kid Necrons would walk if they needed to go anywhere. Bare feet, snow and all. And I'm not saying Crypteks shouldn't fly or float or whatever he's doing. I didn't see it coming, is all I'm saying. Literally comes out of nowhere.

I wonder if we'll at least get special dice to go with our single new model this time around...

Deathwatch101 wrote:
Imperial Knight makes sense fro the point if view of an Imperial knight book. Give it 3-4 weapon configurations and then you have 8-9 data sheets to put in a codex, not to mention if you want to add something to be the Sacristans or Tech Priests that maintain them.
Isn't that about the same as the Custodes will have?

It does seem odd that they are previewing the model (so it'll be out within 3 months per GW's current policy wont it?) yet they don't mention a codex, but GW do make some decisions that appear odd initially, yet frequently involve cool models and work out in the end.
(for casual players at least - cant talk about competitive balance)

Worth remembering that the Captain-General of the Custodes was the only new model we knew about for months, until GW revealed the codex and other model releases with something along the lines of "you didn't think the cap'n'gent was it, did you?"

They seem prepared to actually tease stuff these days. Could very well be the same with the little Knight.

 Verviedi wrote:
It’s quite absurd that three Xenos codices are coming out with exactly one new model, and the main model release is Imperial. And the Tau codex cover is literally a pallette swap of the last one.

What's absurd about it? They're not Marines, so that's still one more model than expected. Unless you believe GW want to get in a habit of releasing Necron codices alongside exactly one model. In that case this release is spot on.

 Galas wrote:
That small knight is beautifull. I love the normal knights, but they are a bit too big for me. This one will probably be just the maximun size I like for my models, probably Redemptor Dreadnought size?

I'm probably in the worst possible situation here. I thought the initial Knight was as close to perfection as GW could get (fixed leg pose notwithstanding). It really can only go downhill for me, and what do you know. I think the Armiger sucks.

It is starting to get quite frustrating that 99% of the codexes are coming out without any new models.

As far as I know the only armies that have had new models were Space Marines (Primaris), CSM (Death Guard) and Daemons (Nurgle).

Assuming that pretty much all the codexes will be out by the middle of this year, what does GW do then?
Do we finally get the new models everyone has been waiting for?

I feel I don't really have a good grasp on GWs plan going forward.

 dan2026 wrote:
As far as I know the only armies that have had new models were Space Marines (Primaris), CSM (Death Guard) and Daemons (Nurgle).

Most of the new books got a single miniature release to go along side them (Eldrad, Brood Lord, Enginseer, Primaris Dark Angel, etc.). Others got co-opted models from Fantasy (Chaos Daemons & Thousand Sons). Only 3 far have seen full releases (Space Marines, Death Guard and Custodes) because all of them are new factions*.


*Space Marines aren't new, obviously, but their out-of-scale Primaris replacements are basically a new faction.

 dan2026 wrote:
It is starting to get quite frustrating that 99% of the codexes are coming out without any new models.

As far as I know the only armies that have had new models were Space Marines (Primaris), CSM (Death Guard) and Daemons (Nurgle).

Assuming that pretty much all the codexes will be out by the middle of this year, what does GW do then?
Do we finally get the new models everyone has been waiting for?

I feel I don't really have a good grasp on GWs plan going forward.

It is about 30% of releases; 4 out 13 books. With data sheets coming in the box and containing all the rules it is much easier for GW to introduce new units without having to do new codexes. Once gw has all the codexes up to date they will start doing some campaign supplements like the gathering storm, which will be accompanied by new models.