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If you had to squat one of the current GW armies who would it be and why?

Conversely if you could introduce a new one (Squats, Hrudd, Dark Mechanics etc) who would it be and why?

I'd probably squat renegades and heretics. Dont think they are fleshed out enough, particularly interesting or viable.
I'd introduce dark mech - a detailed range could be awesome.

1nb4 "Scrap all the varieties of marines."


Now, in my opinion, I wouldn't scrap any warhammer 40k faction. I think all of them have a place and as some group is gonna like them, I wouldn't whant that group to receive the Bretonian/Tomb Kings threatment.

New factions... expand the Tau auxiliarie ranges. Kroots, Tarellians and Vespids, in small stand alone armies but with a ton of in-built sinergy with the Tau Empire, just like Custodes with Imperium, so they can be both played by themselves, but they work very well as auxiliaries with Tau as a whole.

If I had to then I'd squat the Ynnari, because you don't mess with, alter or advance the Eldar's entire background story ever, ever... ever.

And I'd un-squat Squat because Ancestor Lords are cool and I once trapped an Ork battlewagon, warboss and all, inside a Force Dome for most of a battle. And mole mortars. And exo armour lancers on trikes.

Toss out the Space Wolves - they're dull, too campy, too Mary Sue.

Bring in the Eldar Exodites - who doesn't like dinosaurs?

I'd squat IK if i had to choose one. I mean cool and everything, but they play with different rules than the rest of the factions, so they will always be a problem.

As for factions to add i can't think of any, but if they gave me rules for the Tyamat hive fleet...

There are too many tiny branches of "special" guardian marines for me. SO I wouldn't nix any, but combine Grey Knights, Custodes, Death Watch etc into one book (gee, the way it should have been). I might get rid of Ynarri...Eldar have enough fluff background for whole army books they didn't need another...
I second the expand the Tau alien race section. I would love to see armies of vespids with a variety of units. Talk about a faction that screams for psychers and a psychic mother! They're beelike!!! I want Giant Bumblevesids, and assasin bugs, and a royal bodyguard, and princess bug psychers and...and...and...ok done.

HuskyWarhammer wrote:

Bring in the Eldar Exodites - who doesn't like dinosaurs?

On second thoughts, I want to replace my original answer with this!

craftworld_uk wrote:

HuskyWarhammer wrote:

Bring in the Eldar Exodites - who doesn't like dinosaurs?

On second thoughts, I want to replace my original answer with this!

I third this - in fact I can't fathom why GW hasn't given us dinosaurs in space!

I'd remove Custodes, Grey Knights and Deathwatch.
Have them in a single codex to be used as support units.
And I'd get rid of Sisters of Battle just to hear the cries of agony.

I'd add a new race.
Short little guys with a single large eye on a stalk instead of a head. They would be really small so they could be sold 30 in a vox. Their army would revolve around movement and gravity based weapons (slowing opponents down, more damage to heavily armoured units and big vehicles).
They would use light skimmers that scoop them up with magnetic hooks, allowing units to embark and/or disembark anywhere along the path of the skimmer.

This new race would be CODEX: Junkers Guild
A new alien species that disassemble anything they find and repurpose what they can. They are hated by the AdMech because of this. They also have a passion for breaking down space hulls where ever they can fond them.

What would make the army unique would be an even/odd system of rolling. So a certain unit would hit on odds and wound on evens and stuff like that. Their elite units would be heavily armoured and toting shotguns and flamers for clearing out space hulks. I imagine their weaponry as "razor" themed. "Razor beam", "Razor cannon" and so on. They would be so awful in melee but decent in shoot with fantastic mobility. The joke of the army would be terrible leadership and no skill at hand to hand. The razor weapons would be "at half range or lower the strength and ap of the weapon are swapped. So a sregnth 3 ap-1 weapon would be Strength 1 ap-3. Or whatever. It was better with the older weapon stats but I can be messed with.


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Scrap one of the loyalist Space Marine off-shoots. I don't care which... well, maybe Grey Knights can stay.
Replace them with Demiurg. Considering how good a job they did on the Kharadron's and that it would end the Squat memes I'm all for it. Plus we need more Xenos.

Scrap Renegades and Heretics.
Replace them with non-FW Renegades and Heretics.

Scrap Custodes. They seem very out of place to me. Bodyguards that roam the Galaxy.

I'd return Eldar Corsairs and add Exodites.

Scrap none but combine several of the books into one as others have said. But if i had to squat 1 it would have to be sisters as they were squatted years ago just gw never mentioned it.

Add men of iron

Burn Space Marines to the ground.

Add Dark Mechanicus. Mmm.

Remove Orks, there's absolutely nothing I like about them. Add Dark Mechanicus.

I'd rid the world of primaris marines. I just don't see any point in having them introduced, other than money.
Dark mechanics sounds really interesting. I'd bring that in.

Scrap Space Wolves
Bring forth the Emperor's Children!

Squat SoB
Add Sigmarines in 40K

craftworld_uk wrote:


And I'd un-squat Squat because Ancestor Lords are cool and I once trapped an Ork battlewagon, warboss and all, inside a Force Dome for most of a battle. And mole mortars. And exo armour lancers on trikes.

I really miss my Exo-armoured Squats. Trikes & Bikes were sooooo much fun to play. Hearthguard kicked ass.

I wouldn't squat all the Marine variants so much as I'd reorganize them. You'd get a core "Space Marines"/"Chaos Space Marines" list with an appendix containing unique characters, units, and rules for every Chapter/Legion, which would be equally distributed rather than giving some of them dozens of unique things in separate books (Space Wolves, I'm looking at you) and some of them f*** all (Iron Hands, Night Lords).

In making them try and write everyone the "same list" it might also make them step back and think about giving everyone more options, and possibly ask some of the hard questions (like "why have all non-Space-Wolf Tactical Marines forgotten what chainswords are?", or "why are some Terminators stuck with powerfists and others aren't?").


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 mew28 wrote:
Squat SoB
Add Sigmarines in 40K

We have Sigmarines. It's just ours are covered in eagles and have bolter-spears and crested helmets.

Scrap: Sisters of Battle Because: Hilarious

Introduce: Rak'gol Because: They are incredible and different enough from the other races that they could be made into an interesting army.

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 mew28 wrote:
Squat SoB
Add Sigmarines in 40K

We have Sigmarines. It's just ours are covered in eagles and have bolter-spears and crested helmets.

I mean sure custodes kinda have the core part of sigmarines in being giant super awesome warriors in solid gold armor. But they are missing the stuff that truly makes them awesome, like having your commanders mounted on dragons or giant angel wings.

 mew28 wrote:

 AnomanderRake wrote:

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 mew28 wrote:
Squat SoB
Add Sigmarines in 40K

We have Sigmarines. It's just ours are covered in eagles and have bolter-spears and crested helmets.

I mean sure custodes kinda have the core part of sigmarines in being giant super awesome warriors in solid gold armor. But they are missing the stuff that truly makes them awesome, like having your commanders mounted on dragons or giant angel wings.

People already complain about the amount of Marine armies in the game we don't need more.

 mew28 wrote:

 AnomanderRake wrote:

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 mew28 wrote:
Squat SoB
Add Sigmarines in 40K

We have Sigmarines. It's just ours are covered in eagles and have bolter-spears and crested helmets.

I mean sure custodes kinda have the core part of sigmarines in being giant super awesome warriors in solid gold armor. But they are missing the stuff that truly makes them awesome, like having your commanders mounted on dragons or giant angel wings.

To each his own. Personally I like the jetbikes, skimmer tanks, and laser-spear Dreadnaughts a lot better than any dragons.

I'd squat primaris marines, uninteresting mary sue marines, and cawl with them. Marines have enough diffrent flavours to cater to a lot of different people, and I'm not against adding different flavour marines, it's just that primaris don't add anything interesting, and even take away flavourfull flaws (blood angels for example).

I wouldn't add another faction, but rather flesh out all the xenos races, they desperately need it compared to the imperium. (and maby dark mechanichum)

Can't think of much TO squat. Swolves are kinda out there so maybe them.

Need more Xenos, though. Something different, like Centaur-esque or something. May or may not be Tau axillary.

Weren't there a few sizable Human factions that were neither Chaos or Imperium? May be treading on "moar borin' humanz", but that would be kinda cool to have.

Squat the Inquisition. They don't have enough unit variety and while they are cool as part of the 40k background I don't think they need a tabletop army. Save them for RPG's or something.

I would support adding Tau Auxiliaries as their own faction (s). We already have some Kroot stuff, but they could come up with more for them. Same with Vespids. Maybe add Gue'vesa or even Demiurgs (they are a Tau auxiliary, right?).

Also, bring Khorne Daemonkin back for 8th edition. I loved them in 7th even though they weren't super competitive.

I'd squad Blood Angels and Dark Angels. Most boring factions ever. They only need 1 or 2 entries in the main SM dex.

I'd add Eldar Exodites.

I wouldn't scrap anything already existing, but I would really like if GW could stop being so boringly Imperial-centric and go wild in introducing all kinds of Xenos factions and subfactions. There is so much space for those, a lot more than with "space marines of another color with tiny little difference in size, shape or favourite weapon"...

And for starters GW could start with Exodites and proper Eldar Pirates/Corsairs.

If GW insists on doing (almost) all-Imperium-vs-Chaos game, then let it at least be with more Mechanicus, more Inquisition, more non-power-armour factions...

Squat Necrons, replace with Men of Iron. Way better backstory for a roboman army.

(If I were actually in charge of this stuff, I would not squat any of the existing armies, too many people like each of them, inexplicably, even the Necrons. At most I might combine some of the armies in the same codex.)

I'd be comfortable ditching any of the "side show" armies which don't really justify a codex and could easily be tossed in with another book (Grey Knights, Deathwatch, Harlequins, GSC). So while I wouldn't knock them out of existence, they don't justify their own books.

Ynnari needs to be a new direction (which I'd probably hate) or go away. Or fold the characters into a normal codex, again it's a kind of not-army? I'd actually be okay losing Orks too. Despite their history they're really not much of a story point and add nothing to the grand scheme of the story. It's just a "oh, look...a big WAAAAGH" whenever its convenient. If we were talking about major races, I don't think I'd miss them much.

Adding a faction? I'd like to see a book for a powerful Rogue Trader and his army of mercenaries/miscreants including rogue/mercenary Space Marines (like the good ole' days), and introduce some unique or historic alien factions. I don't know how you'd make it into a proper army, but it would be slick for narrative purposes.