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I would argue it falls in line with the traits that give multiple CP at once which still do so.

Drdotts wrote:
So post FAQ 2 question: can trajann valoris’ ability still give you d3 command points or did the faq limit it? I don’t see anything about it either way

Theres an exemption in the first line of the second paragraph of Tactical Restraint:

"This does not apply to the Moment Shackle..."

Spartacus wrote:

Drdotts wrote:
So post FAQ 2 question: can trajann valoris’ ability still give you d3 command points or did the faq limit it? I don’t see anything about it either way

Theres an exemption in the first line of the second paragraph of Tactical Restraint:

"This does not apply to the Moment Shackle..."

Moment Shackle is seen as "not a problem" as it's a one time thing. (and Valoris is expensive eneugh that people aren't siding him into every detachment they can as a CP battery)

Hey, Primark: get ready to rejoice.

Blood of Kittens says rumored leaks include a drop in price for both Wardens and Allarus. Specifically, Wardens drop to 45 PPM (before wargear) and Allarus drop to 60 PPM (before wargear). 4 and 10 point drops, respectively.

Allarus might actually be worth a bit of investment if this holds.

Audustum wrote:
Hey, Primark: get ready to rejoice.

Blood of Kittens says rumored leaks include a drop in price for both Wardens and Allarus. Specifically, Wardens drop to 45 PPM (before wargear) and Allarus drop to 60 PPM (before wargear). 4 and 10 point drops, respectively.

Allarus might actually be worth a bit of investment if this holds.

This news excites me greatly.

Now if you excuse me gentlemen, I must change my undergarments for they have become soiled with joy juice.

Audustum wrote:
Hey, Primark: get ready to rejoice.

Blood of Kittens says rumored leaks include a drop in price for both Wardens and Allarus. Specifically, Wardens drop to 45 PPM (before wargear) and Allarus drop to 60 PPM (before wargear). 4 and 10 point drops, respectively.

Allarus might actually be worth a bit of investment if this holds.

Isn't Trajann dropping as well? Hopefully the point decreases will make up for the speculated bike increase.

Radikus wrote:

Audustum wrote:
Hey, Primark: get ready to rejoice.

Blood of Kittens says rumored leaks include a drop in price for both Wardens and Allarus. Specifically, Wardens drop to 45 PPM (before wargear) and Allarus drop to 60 PPM (before wargear). 4 and 10 point drops, respectively.

Allarus might actually be worth a bit of investment if this holds.

Isn't Trajann dropping as well? Hopefully the point decreases will make up for the speculated bike increase.

Trajann is said to be going down by 75!

So far, none of the leaks are saying point hikes for bikes. Crossing my fingers...


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 Dr. Mills wrote:

Audustum wrote:
Hey, Primark: get ready to rejoice.

Blood of Kittens says rumored leaks include a drop in price for both Wardens and Allarus. Specifically, Wardens drop to 45 PPM (before wargear) and Allarus drop to 60 PPM (before wargear). 4 and 10 point drops, respectively.

Allarus might actually be worth a bit of investment if this holds.

This news excites me greatly.

Now if you excuse me gentlemen, I must change my undergarments for they have become soiled with joy juice.

Exalted.

The -10 sounds great for Allarus Custodians but personally I think Wardens should drop another 5 really.

The points changes make a lot of sense to me.
Valoris down to 175 is a bit excessive and unbelievable though... But it's about how much he's worth tbh.
Allarus down 10 is refreshing, I really enjoy using them and man that makes em worth it.
Cross fingers bikes at least stay where they are, they feel a bit overcosted with that rubbish charge atm.

A small points drop across the board for custodes would be very helpful to us, as we are a monofaction.

Where did those rumors come from?

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Where did those rumors come from?

All the websites point to this as the original source - I've not been able to find it on FB myself.

Will a 10pt drop actually help Allarus though? From the last couple of posts there doesn't seem to be any mention of Vertus getting a points hike, it still seems it'll be just better to take them over the Allarus. Same with Wardens, 4pts doesn't look like it'll help them.

https://imgur.com/a/ldiBCNR
CA 18 leaks: Custodes are cheaper bikes did not go up in points

It's almost like Bikes aren't OP, people are just bad.

 nordsturmking wrote:
https://imgur.com/a/ldiBCNR
CA 18 leaks: Custodes are cheaper bikes did not go up in points

Some great stuff there.

On a side note and I know this is a bit off-topic but this is the first time I've seen these leaks, are they still not planning to reduce the points of the big bastards like Titans and such, or is that part not shown in the Imgur link?

 Valkyrie wrote:

 nordsturmking wrote:
https://imgur.com/a/ldiBCNR
CA 18 leaks: Custodes are cheaper bikes did not go up in points

Some great stuff there.

On a side note and I know this is a bit off-topic but this is the first time I've seen these leaks, are they still not planning to reduce the points of the big bastards like Titans and such, or is that part not shown in the Imgur link?

this is the only other link i have.
https://imgur.com/gallery/PVf1Vsr

 nordsturmking wrote:

 Valkyrie wrote:

 nordsturmking wrote:
https://imgur.com/a/ldiBCNR
CA 18 leaks: Custodes are cheaper bikes did not go up in points

Some great stuff there.

On a side note and I know this is a bit off-topic but this is the first time I've seen these leaks, are they still not planning to reduce the points of the big bastards like Titans and such, or is that part not shown in the Imgur link?

this is the only other link i have.
https://imgur.com/gallery/PVf1Vsr

Thanks for that one too Shame the Telemon and other FW bits aren't getting the significant price drop they need.

Sword and Board Custodian guards are down 2 points because of sentinel blade dropping to 7 points.

I made this. I hope i got everything right.



I hoped for more reduction on allarus and some other things but i am quiet happy with this.

Edit: Landraider points a now correct. i assumed the Lascannon is down to 40 buts ist still 50p.
Warden points are now correct.

Yeah, as long as they didn’t dramatically boost other armies Custodes came out just fine

Yeah this is looking good for us. I'm liking this!

Our Forgeworld units probably weren't touched because they're still 'beta'.

Tajann Valoris seems pretty good now. I am definitely gonna try him out nest game.

Now all we need is the Talons book to be released so we can get some fire support.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Now all we need is the Talons book to be released so we can get some fire support.

Someone mentioned in the CA thread somewhere that it's been binned as of the vigilius weekender. Very upset!

Dudeface wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Now all we need is the Talons book to be released so we can get some fire support.

Someone mentioned in the CA thread somewhere that it's been binned as of the vigilius weekender. Very upset!

It's in the same position as Fires of Cyraxus: "Eventually, when we get to it".

Basically, they were making Fires (for like multiple years I think). Then they announced they were delaying Fires to make the Talons Index for 8th. Then they announced they were delaying Talons (and thus Fires) because 30k didn't feel loved or something and they were gonna focus on that more. Then at the weekender they said Talons is 'some point, eventually' more or less.

Anyone think the 2 point drop on Sentinel Blades raises their attractiveness compared to Spears? I don't think it was quite enough, but it's nice!

I think you took sentinel blades cause you wanted a shield, so it doesn’t really change the calculus that much for me. But it does make sword and board guys more interesting

I am pretty sure I am taking Custodes to LVO. Need a bit of advice on which direction to go with them. Looks like truly competitive lists boil down to 2 list:

Heavy bikes list + loyal 32
Custodes Battalion + Bikes + Loyal 32 + Assassin's

Now I definitely lean more towards the Custodes Battalion + Bikes + Loyal 32 + Assassin's list where I can fit in Trajann and the banner fella. Does anyone have much experience running this? I am going to start test games soon, and I have see these kind of lists floating around a lot. What are some of the tricks it provides and what are some weaknesses to look out for.

Alternatively, I am interested in what some of the competitive lists that you, the Dakka custodes community have had success with.

Radikus wrote:
I am pretty sure I am taking Custodes to LVO. Need a bit of advice on which direction to go with them. Looks like truly competitive lists boil down to 2 list:

Heavy bikes list + loyal 32
Custodes Battalion + Bikes + Loyal 32 + Assassin's

Now I definitely lean more towards the Custodes Battalion + Bikes + Loyal 32 + Assassin's list where I can fit in Trajann and the banner fella. Does anyone have much experience running this? I am going to start test games soon, and I have see these kind of lists floating around a lot. What are some of the tricks it provides and what are some weaknesses to look out for.

Alternatively, I am interested in what some of the competitive lists that you, the Dakka custodes community have had success with.

I haven't seen the Custodes Battalion list in a long time. It was kind of displaced by the Imperial Knight meta. Nowadays it's more like this I think:

Bikes + IG CP Battery (and I mean Bikes, all Bikes, look at Shane Watt's "Peace Through Dakka").

Bike Captains + IG Battery with artillery + Imperial Knights

Audustum wrote:

Radikus wrote:
I am pretty sure I am taking Custodes to LVO. Need a bit of advice on which direction to go with them. Looks like truly competitive lists boil down to 2 list:

Heavy bikes list + loyal 32
Custodes Battalion + Bikes + Loyal 32 + Assassin's

Now I definitely lean more towards the Custodes Battalion + Bikes + Loyal 32 + Assassin's list where I can fit in Trajann and the banner fella. Does anyone have much experience running this? I am going to start test games soon, and I have see these kind of lists floating around a lot. What are some of the tricks it provides and what are some weaknesses to look out for.

Alternatively, I am interested in what some of the competitive lists that you, the Dakka custodes community have had success with.

I haven't seen the Custodes Battalion list in a long time. It was kind of displaced by the Imperial Knight meta. Nowadays it's more like this I think:

Bikes + IG CP Battery (and I mean Bikes, all Bikes, look at Shane Watt's "Peace Through Dakka").

Bike Captains + IG Battery with artillery + Imperial Knights

Took a look at that list and holy crapola that is a lot of bikes. Kinda bummed the Custodes Battalion list died a meta death to knights as that was the list I was most excited about. Wouldn't the "Peace Through Dakka" list suffer the same fate? Seems like the 7 man bike squads would just get housed by a castellan. It kinda feels like if I bring the golden boys I will be playing dodge the Knights lists

The biggest problem with the knights for custodes is that Relic flamer, which not many knight players took.


It, on average, dealt enough overwatch damage to kill a Bike captain, which means custodes couldn't do anything to it.