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I don't think Sagittarium Guard will push out IG because nothing does point efficient CP like IG does but it does certainly help to make a Custodes Battalion a more attractive option because you don't have 150 points with the firepower of 3 bolters sitting on an objective.
   
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 Ordana wrote:
I don't think Sagittarium Guard will push out IG because nothing does point efficient CP like IG does but it does certainly help to make a Custodes Battalion a more attractive option because you don't have 150 points with the firepower of 3 bolters sitting on an objective.


I think you have misunderstood me, I was not talking about soup lists. I was talking about Sagittarium pushing out Custodian Guard with Spears or Shields/Swords as troops. But yes you are right, Custodes and IG will still go very well together and Sagittarium Guards most likely will not be used to fill a battalion when playing soup


   
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I've been toying with running the following for my battalion troops

2x3 Saggitarum with Misericordia
1x3 Guard with Pytherite Spears (DS)

Toying with using from golden light they come to make drop melta squads 3 bs2 meltas is sure to land some damage.

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The Silver Lances: 4000 pts
The Custodes Winter Watch 4000 pts

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Sternguard though, those guys are all about kicking ass. They'd chew bubble gum as well, but bubble gum is heretical. Only tau chew gum. 
   
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Tiberias wrote:
 Ordana wrote:
I don't think Sagittarium Guard will push out IG because nothing does point efficient CP like IG does but it does certainly help to make a Custodes Battalion a more attractive option because you don't have 150 points with the firepower of 3 bolters sitting on an objective.


I think you have misunderstood me, I was not talking about soup lists. I was talking about Sagittarium pushing out Custodian Guard with Spears or Shields/Swords as troops. But yes you are right, Custodes and IG will still go very well together and Sagittarium Guards most likely will not be used to fill a battalion when playing soup


I can very much see them pushing out Custodian Guard in battalion yes. If not all 3 squads then atleast 1-2.
   
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For a Custodes Battalion I think running 2x3 units of Sagittarum and one big squad of Guardian Spear Guardians deep striking in to take advantage of Piercing Strike could work as like a budget Warden bomb option for those of us looking to still use our Custodian Guard models. Throw in a Storm Shield or 2 for extra durability in case they don't make their charge and need to weather return fire.

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Spartacus wrote:
^^

It's not new, but you would never use the combi function to fire both before as you would be at huge risk of losing wounds from your squad.


The beam doesnt' cause a mortal wound on a 1 in the new pdf

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 iGuy91 wrote:
I've been toying with running the following for my battalion troops

2x3 Saggitarum with Misericordia
1x3 Guard with Pytherite Spears (DS)

Toying with using from golden light they come to make drop melta squads 3 bs2 meltas is sure to land some damage.


friend of mine stuffed 5x pyr spears and a captain into a coronus as some nice troops-based anti-tank, coupled with raiment of sorrows to increase the punishment if they were targeted afterwards. Proved to be an excellent armor breaker.
   
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 WindstormSCR wrote:
 iGuy91 wrote:
I've been toying with running the following for my battalion troops

2x3 Saggitarum with Misericordia
1x3 Guard with Pytherite Spears (DS)

Toying with using from golden light they come to make drop melta squads 3 bs2 meltas is sure to land some damage.


friend of mine stuffed 5x pyr spears and a captain into a coronus as some nice troops-based anti-tank, coupled with raiment of sorrows to increase the punishment if they were targeted afterwards. Proved to be an excellent armor breaker.


That....is an interesting combination...hadn't considered that relic....wonder if its better with the Coronus, or better with From Golden Light they Come....

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The Custodes Winter Watch 4000 pts

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See, this really bothers me in one respect. One more army has been made FW or bust. I love throwing my Custodian Guard into the fray, and love the rewards they are possible of reaping. Now all the suqads I've built and painted are instantly invalidated by Sagitarium guard. I mean, I'm hoping the new CA or FAQ will address the inadequacy of the Non-FW units now.

I would like to see Guard lowered in cost by at least 5-10ppm, and maybe dropping the cost of bikes?

I would also love to see a special detachment rule just for Sisters of Silence, where they can generate CP, and be integrated into the Custodes rules. Maybe as an Elite slot?

   
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 iGuy91 wrote:
 WindstormSCR wrote:
 iGuy91 wrote:
I've been toying with running the following for my battalion troops

2x3 Saggitarum with Misericordia
1x3 Guard with Pytherite Spears (DS)

Toying with using from golden light they come to make drop melta squads 3 bs2 meltas is sure to land some damage.


friend of mine stuffed 5x pyr spears and a captain into a coronus as some nice troops-based anti-tank, coupled with raiment of sorrows to increase the punishment if they were targeted afterwards. Proved to be an excellent armor breaker.


That....is an interesting combination...hadn't considered that relic....wonder if its better with the Coronus, or better with From Golden Light they Come....


The issue with FGLTC is all your opponent needs is a screen in front of their tough target and you’re not getting within 12”. The Coronus allows us to move 14” as a flyer in a nice safe T8 W18 shell. I’d put 5 Pyrithite Guard in there with a Vexilla. Get out and shoot the meltas then drop down 8 Wardens and Trajann and have the whole lot charge into stuff.

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Malefic666 wrote:
 iGuy91 wrote:
 WindstormSCR wrote:
 iGuy91 wrote:
I've been toying with running the following for my battalion troops

2x3 Saggitarum with Misericordia
1x3 Guard with Pytherite Spears (DS)

Toying with using from golden light they come to make drop melta squads 3 bs2 meltas is sure to land some damage.


friend of mine stuffed 5x pyr spears and a captain into a coronus as some nice troops-based anti-tank, coupled with raiment of sorrows to increase the punishment if they were targeted afterwards. Proved to be an excellent armor breaker.


That....is an interesting combination...hadn't considered that relic....wonder if its better with the Coronus, or better with From Golden Light they Come....


The issue with FGLTC is all your opponent needs is a screen in front of their tough target and you’re not getting within 12”. The Coronus allows us to move 14” as a flyer in a nice safe T8 W18 shell. I’d put 5 Pyrithite Guard in there with a Vexilla. Get out and shoot the meltas then drop down 8 Wardens and Trajann and have the whole lot charge into stuff.


I've also been intrigued by Pyrithite Guard and their potential since they're Troops now and we need all the anti-armor we can get. Right now I'm thinking about a Battalion with 1x3 Guardians to take and hold midfield, 1x3 Sagittarum to hold the backfield objective, and 1x3 Pyrithite Guard that will go inside a Coronus with 3 Power Gauntlet + Firepike Aquilons to act as tank busters and screen melters. The Raiment of Sorrows is also an interesting relic that could get the most out of those Pyrithite Spears as we can possibly can. Also with the Vexilla Teleport Homer strat the Vexilla needs to be on the battlefield at the start of the turn to use it, so disembarking it and using it won't work if that was your plan.

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Mr. Funktastic wrote:
Malefic666 wrote:
 iGuy91 wrote:
 WindstormSCR wrote:
 iGuy91 wrote:
I've been toying with running the following for my battalion troops

2x3 Saggitarum with Misericordia
1x3 Guard with Pytherite Spears (DS)

Toying with using from golden light they come to make drop melta squads 3 bs2 meltas is sure to land some damage.


friend of mine stuffed 5x pyr spears and a captain into a coronus as some nice troops-based anti-tank, coupled with raiment of sorrows to increase the punishment if they were targeted afterwards. Proved to be an excellent armor breaker.


That....is an interesting combination...hadn't considered that relic....wonder if its better with the Coronus, or better with From Golden Light they Come....


The issue with FGLTC is all your opponent needs is a screen in front of their tough target and you’re not getting within 12”. The Coronus allows us to move 14” as a flyer in a nice safe T8 W18 shell. I’d put 5 Pyrithite Guard in there with a Vexilla. Get out and shoot the meltas then drop down 8 Wardens and Trajann and have the whole lot charge into stuff.


I've also been intrigued by Pyrithite Guard and their potential since they're Troops now and we need all the anti-armor we can get. Right now I'm thinking about a Battalion with 1x3 Guardians to take and hold midfield, 1x3 Sagittarum to hold the backfield objective, and 1x3 Pyrithite Guard that will go inside a Coronus with 3 Power Gauntlet + Firepike Aquilons to act as tank busters and screen melters. The Raiment of Sorrows is also an interesting relic that could get the most out of those Pyrithite Spears as we can possibly can. Also with the Vexilla Teleport Homer strat the Vexilla needs to be on the battlefield at the start of the turn to use it, so disembarking it and using it won't work if that was your plan.


Oh right. So disembarking and then using the Vexilla is out? Meh that sucks. I suppose then the Coronus takes 5 dudes and a captain, might as well be Trajann to get reroll 1s on hits & wounds for those meltas. I’m into the idea of taking the Pyrithite Guard and really want to find a way to make them work but without the option for storm shields in the unit they’ll get blown away if we try footslogging them.

I’ve been thinking about just running the Vexilla on foot with a 3 man storm shield bodyguard unit as an alternative option, then when you get close enough use the teleport homer for FGLTC. Dunno, I find that only sword and board cut it running around on foot in my games as armies are packing so much -2AP D2 that 4++ W3 just isn’t enough when we have 3-5 models in most Guard units. It’s pretty disheartening that I get shot off the table or drop 9” away and roll <9” more than 50% of the time... so maybe I’ll try a few Coronus. Just seems a lot of points in an already eye-wateringly points expensive army.

   
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I am a big fan of 5x Regular Custodes Terminators, and a Shield Captain in Terminator Armor with Gatekeeper. Pop the CP to do Tanglefoot/Concussion, fire off everything else, and charge.
   
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Malefic666 wrote:

I’ve been thinking about just running the Vexilla on foot with a 3 man storm shield bodyguard unit as an alternative option, then when you get close enough use the teleport homer for FGLTC. Dunno, I find that only sword and board cut it running around on foot in my games as armies are packing so much -2AP D2 that 4++ W3 just isn’t enough when we have 3-5 models in most Guard units. It’s pretty disheartening that I get shot off the table or drop 9” away and roll <9” more than 50% of the time... so maybe I’ll try a few Coronus. Just seems a lot of points in an already eye-wateringly points expensive army.


Alternative: a wall of allied units/vehicles advancing in front to block line of sight to the custodes.

When you're talking about 500 points of transports, allies seem to become cheap :p

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Its actually really funny. I find that Custodes are one of the armies that benefit the most from cover, since it means all those -1 AP weapons have no impact on armor saves.
Strange to think about, but I swear keeping them in cover, and moving with a Vexilla Magnifica tends to keep my guys alive for a long time.

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Sternguard though, those guys are all about kicking ass. They'd chew bubble gum as well, but bubble gum is heretical. Only tau chew gum. 
   
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 iGuy91 wrote:
Its actually really funny. I find that Custodes are one of the armies that benefit the most from cover, since it means all those -1 AP weapons have no impact on armor saves.
Strange to think about, but I swear keeping them in cover, and moving with a Vexilla Magnifica tends to keep my guys alive for a long time.


Louder for the people in back. I never understand the player who thinks his/her/its life goal is to get across the board in the next 5 seconds, cover be damned. The only time that basically makes sense is an all daemon army where there might be 6 models with a shooting attack in the whole list.

I love using Custodes to teach new players, because it helps teach them the value of no wasting models. The No-LOS charge, the Vertical Charge rule, the cover charge, etc. Teach them to make a plan for each model.
   
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And of course the Sags get the most from being in cover as they're gonna be at full combat effectiveness.

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BTW, I can't wait to run Double-D-thirsters! Man, just thinking about it gets me Khorney.

 vipoid wrote:
Indeed - what sort of bastard would want to use their codex?

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ITT: SoB players upset that they're receiving the same condescending treatment that they've doled out in every CSM thread ever.
 
   
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So, I hesitate to use CP this way, but can we load up a 6 man squad of guard with Melta guns, FGLTC them into the backfield, and let them eat tanks? Or is there a better way to use them?

6x Guard with Pyrite Spears, about 340pts, can take an hold a location, and thats a hell of a lot of melta to drop on someone, followed by a charge. They would be useless for anything but a tank buster squad, but for 340 points and 1 CP, thats 6 S8 AP4 D6 shots. Throw Trajan in there and you just made your opponent cry, which is worth 1d3 victory points.
   
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For 1 CP it’s a bargain to put your Guard where you need them but who is going to leave their backfield open to that? Most (if not all) players have units stopping DS and you’re likely to face screens on the front. It’s a damn shame that DS is nerfed so heavily because a unit like this could offer us an alternative way to deal with T8.

That said, for the points cost the Melta spear is far better than the bolter spear, only 1 less shot (at <12”) @ S8 Ap4 Dd6(2d6 pick highest @ <6”) all at BS2+ is sweet. It’s just the age old problem of getting our guys there.

   
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 iGuy91 wrote:
Its actually really funny. I find that Custodes are one of the armies that benefit the most from cover, since it means all those -1 AP weapons have no impact on armor saves.
Strange to think about, but I swear keeping them in cover, and moving with a Vexilla Magnifica tends to keep my guys alive for a long time.
It makes sense when you think about it tho.
Going from a 2+ to a 3+ save is a 100% more failed saves
doing from 3+ to a 4+ is 'only' 50% more fails.

The better your save is the bigger the effect from improving that save becomes.
   
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Could anyone tell me what size base the Telemon uses? Is it 80mm round? I'm living away from my collection at the moment and can't measure myself. I want to get a scenic resin base to do up while I'm away and wanna make sure it's the appropriate size.
   
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Spartacus wrote:
Could anyone tell me what size base the Telemon uses? Is it 80mm round? I'm living away from my collection at the moment and can't measure myself. I want to get a scenic resin base to do up while I'm away and wanna make sure it's the appropriate size.

It's on a 100mm round base according to the Forge World website.
   
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Jarval wrote:
Spartacus wrote:
Could anyone tell me what size base the Telemon uses? Is it 80mm round? I'm living away from my collection at the moment and can't measure myself. I want to get a scenic resin base to do up while I'm away and wanna make sure it's the appropriate size.

It's on a 100mm round base according to the Forge World website.


I can confirm this my Telemons came with 100mm bases.
   
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Great thanks a bunch. Its been a long time away from home!

On another note I've been mucking around with some maths to do with the Sagittarum's combi gun, and see what the most optimal way to fire it is: i.e. Either just the bolter, just the Adrathic beamer, or both (assuming both are in range).

I was gonna post some numbers but its pretty clear cut: Always fire both if you can.

Even when I thought of the most ideal possible target for the Adrathic gun (something like a GK Paladin), firing both will always result in more average damage done than firing just one of the guns. I didn't calculate with any rerolls, but reroll ones shouldn't affect the result much, if at all.

Even when shooting a GEQ, you'll get more kills on average firing both guns. The differences between the two are generally quite small, and it probably won't matter than much really, I image it works that way because they are both S5.
   
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Man o MAN! The LGT lists are all the same thing for Custodes!

3x Sag guard, usually between 3-5 models
Trajan
Shield Captain
2-3x Callidus with Bolt cannon
1-2x Telemons

OR

Jetbikes x infinity

Looks like the Saggy boys are the new way to go....time to order up some of those upgrade sprus.
   
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 FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
Man o MAN! The LGT lists are all the same thing for Custodes!

3x Sag guard, usually between 3-5 models
Trajan
Shield Captain
2-3x Callidus with Bolt cannon
1-2x Telemons

OR

Jetbikes x infinity

Looks like the Saggy boys are the new way to go....time to order up some of those upgrade sprus.


Poor standard custodian guard and poor wardens.
   
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There was 1 list with all Standard Custodes. 8 wardens, 5 Alarus Termies, and about 12 guard squads. I see that guy winning it all. I want him to do well.
   
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I see in most list, that the vertus praetors, have been cut down to one unit or none, Can somebody tell me why???
   
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Well the FW stuff has been all in the news lately, gotta make room for it somehow.

Not me though, a healthy helping of Bikes is where I start building my list pretty much every time.
   
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Pestilens wrote:
I see in most list, that the vertus praetors, have been cut down to one unit or none, Can somebody tell me why???


My reason for not including bikes anymore are knights bikes can't deal with them that good.


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I am looking for something to replace my 2 Telemons. They had 2 storm cannons each. I will keep the Caladius because they are still great but i need long range anti knight shooting. So i thought a Castellan wood be a good idea what do you think?

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