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Unfair? How do you judge fairness? For Custodes, maybe. For every other faction? Not really. Except for the codexes that have yet to arrive, most factions have a way to deal with them. Granted it's not TAC, but they have ways.

You can't judge another faction solely by how we interact with them. Rock thinks paper is unfair.

Unfair for everyone. Drukhari have, despite 3 rounds of nerfs, been crushing competition still. And the book is so overtuned that you have to take tournament level list building skills to make a BAD list.

And they do it with codex units. Forgeworld isn't even a factor for Drukari, yet it's critical to our competitive success.

Well, the codex is confirmed for pre-order next week, so we will have answers soon enough.

xerxeskingofking wrote:
Well, the codex is confirmed for pre-order next week, so we will have answers soon enough.

Finally, I tried to practice patience...but the suspense was starting to kill me. I finally want to see the full picture.

Pre-orders, that mean actually in hands maybe late january/early feb?

FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
Pre-orders, that mean actually in hands maybe late january/early feb?

last time i got a pre-order (tsons codex in the summer), it was in my hands pretty quickly, i think within a week of the "Live" date. that was inside the UK, obviously. not sure what it is to romania, it might well be early feb.

Sorry, I am US, my Voip says romania though. Do we have a live date yet for pre-order?

FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
Sorry, I am US, my Voip says romania though. Do we have a live date yet for pre-order?

ah, fair enough. yhea, my point still stands, i dont know how fast they are in the US, but in the UK it was less than 2 weeks form start of pre-order to book in my hands.

They make the pre-orders live on Saturday, normally, and then on Sunday announce the next set of pre-orders for the following Saturday.

It'll be out the 15th

Given there has been zero news of new changes, what if any major changes are you expecting/hopeful for? Points costs, relic changes, wounding charts?

I'm hoping terminators go to around 60ppm, and bikes go to 75ppm.

Since we didnt get many changes to statlines we are mostly just hoping for points reductions.

Compared to other 9th ed. armies we are a bit overcosted.

 Eihnlazer wrote:
Since we didnt get many changes to statlines we are mostly just hoping for points reductions.

Compared to other 9th ed. armies we are a bit overcosted.

I dunno, we still have yet to see the "chapter tactics" and the chance at some revised relics gives me hope. Also, abilities like the Wardens may have been re-written. Who knows? Like I said I'm just hoping for cost reductions at this point. That would be the socks and ties of christmas presents for me. Special gift would be a relic that gives greater fixed damage as an aura.

stratagems are quite important, and many armies live and die off the quality of them

Is it fair to say we shouldn't expect anything major at this point, ala "Venerable Dreads now punch at d6+3 or something?

Or that Vertus Praetor lances are now 3 flat damage?

No leaks so far ? Really surprising !

I know that at least french youtubers have the full codex from this weekend. Uk and US YT should be the same ?

I can't wait...

Well, Trajaan gets +1A and Wound. Axe is s10 ap-3 3 damage, but we knew that right? Just saw the auspex tactics "leaks". He's still our go to beatstick for big nasty targets. He's still got a 2+3++ though.

We don't know that.
I mean a 2+ is basically a given.
But the 3++ might be gone.

 Thairne wrote:
We don't know that.
I mean a 2+ is basically a given.
But the 3++ might be gone.

Apologies, I was trusting this guy who seems to be dependable on his leaks.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8vDaC-M8ZlI

I thought we had a confirmed data sheet from the video.

A full sheet would've been really nice... see what the Aegis of the Emperor etc. does. But alas, we gotta wait for the YT reviews... and squint really, really hard!

Well, I went ahead and took the plunge: I preordered the new codex at my local store.

I'm half excited at this point and half dreading just throwing away $50.

I *do* want to keep playing my carefully converted Custodes though, so, I suppose, I did the right thing...

I hope for you that it's not disappointing, and you get a lot of enjoyment out of it. I will continue painting my box of shame, hoping that bikes and Wardens somehow they get a massive buff.

From the canhammer custodes discord channel:

Jetbike profile and weapons.

 nordsturmking wrote:
From the canhammer custodes discord channel:

Jetbike profile and weapons.

Spoiler:

The melta missle we knew about right? Still nice I guess.

But the interceptor lance having the same profile as the spear is really annoying to me. I'm really curious if jetbikes now actually get a special rule to still wound better in some way

Out weapon profiles just feel sooo low effort...they could have done so much cool stuff.

I agree

+1 S -3 AP 2D
+2 S -3 AP 2D
+3 S -2 AP 2D

+2 S -3 AP 2D

its very creative...
but i can live with that if the rules in the codex are good and fun to play.
On the plus side the biker cap has 9 wounds now so no need to spend CP and hopefully the FW data sheets get updated on release day.

I think an awful lot rides on what aegis of the emperor actually does now.

We are assuming it still provides an invuln save of some sort - I suspect a 4++ army wide.

I'm hoping it also has another defensive buff included as the game is so lethal now a T5, 2+ is pretty easy to cut through - I'm hoping they reduce the AP of all attacks or something.

It seems unlikely but some form of damage buff would be really nice - I'm super salty that our entire army does flat 2 damage now, just as everything in the game seems to get -1 damage. Perhaps we could ignore all damage reduction in melee?

Seriously, as mentioned above, the weapon profiles are so boring, vanilla and uninspired.

A guardian spear is a weapon of legend and now it is a slightly better power weapon. The castellan axe on the cover of the book has a blade bigger than a man but only does 2 damage, where are the special rules - I want sweep profiles and attacks that have a hope in hell of doing real damage to anything tough we come up against in the meta.

Nid monsters have all been given an invul save and -1 damage, what the hell sould we use against them? Harsh language will work as well as our high AP, Dam 2 weapons :-(

 WisdomLS wrote:
I think an awful lot rides on what aegis of the emperor actually does now.

We are assuming it still provides an invuln save of some sort - I suspect a 4++ army wide.

I'm hoping it also has another defensive buff included as the game is so lethal now a T5, 2+ is pretty easy to cut through - I'm hoping they reduce the AP of all attacks or something.

It seems unlikely but some form of damage buff would be really nice - I'm super salty that our entire army does flat 2 damage now, just as everything in the game seems to get -1 damage. Perhaps we could ignore all damage reduction in melee?

Seriously, as mentioned above, the weapon profiles are so boring, vanilla and uninspired.

A guardian spear is a weapon of legend and now it is a slightly better power weapon. The castellan axe on the cover of the book has a blade bigger than a man but only does 2 damage, where are the special rules - I want sweep profiles and attacks that have a hope in hell of doing real damage to anything tough we come up against in the meta.

Nid monsters have all been given an invul save and -1 damage, what the hell sould we use against them? Harsh language will work as well as our high AP, Dam 2 weapons :-(

How about a any of our dreadnaughts, heavy dreadnaughts, tanks, or Trajaan? We have a lot of 3 and 4 damage melee attackers.


I'm still pissed we gave up our anti-flyer missile option. That would have been helpful given how Eldar Jetbikes are about to become curbstomp levels of cheese again.

I'm worried about that as well.
I just dont get why they refused to give the Codex ONE 3D weapon. At all.
Everything is forgeworld... I guess someone just search&replaced them by the rule D3->2D and didn't think twice about it.

Alright, so new article on the community site about captain commanders:

As far as I understand it, Captain Commander upgrades now cost points instead of CP and every one of our three different shield captains (normal, terminator and bike) has access to three different Captain Commander traits.

So a bike captain won't get access to unstoppable destroyer for example, since that is a trait previewed for the terminator captain.

Correct me if I'm wrong here.

The traits themselves seem....fine?

Edit: the Salvus Kata seems nice with Venatari. Especially if you can give them both benefits, but since Salvus lets out infantry double shoot, it likely means we'll lose superior firing patterns.

New update from warhammer community


Yhea, they seem to be going quite heavily down the point costed upgrades route this edition. Pretty much every army I can think of is doing it.

This iteration seems similar to how the tsons did theirs, which worked reasonably well I thought.